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Which Catholic group do you feel best describes your current stance on the crisis?

Novus Ordo/Indult
2 (5.3%)
SSPX (Bishop Felay)
2 (5.3%)
SSPV (Bishop Kelly, RIP)
2 (5.3%)
Resistance (Bishop Zendejas)
9 (23.7%)
CMRI (Bishop Pivarunas)
4 (10.5%)
RCI (Bishop Sanborn)
5 (13.2%)
Home Alone
1 (2.6%)
I can't pick one
10 (26.3%)
Other
3 (7.9%)

Total Members Voted: 38

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Allignment with which Catholic group.
« Reply #15 on: Today at 11:44:29 AM »
Thank you for your words.  That passage fits the current crisis well.

But is it a lie to put the name of a man who I do not give obedience to?  Lying breaks one of the 10 commandments.  Not putting the popes name in doesn't break one of the 10 commandments.  Shouldn't we think about that?  Isn't schism separating myself from the church and it's teachings?  I think these are also important questions to ponder.  Will we get answers?  Only when God decides. 

Isn't Schism not following the authority?  Aren't we technically in schism from the Novus Ordo church?  Is that a bad thing?  Pope Leo is the head of this new thing.  The true church seems to not have a head.  I am just trying to understand this in the most basic terms.  I don't want to start a fight and I know God will give us the answers in His time.  All these questions are just how my brain works all the time.  I don't expect answers and I am learning that I can keep my peace even if the questions aren't answered anytime soon.

Prayers for all.
I also don't want to argue about it, all I did was say what the Church has always taught, which is the reason why we do not pray for such a thing. 

Priests and laypeople forget that it is only their opinion that the Chair is vacant. Fr. Wathen states it as the Church has always taught it.... "We say that that their private judgement in the matter must not be introduced into the Liturgy which is an official act of the Church. Their private judgement has no place in the sacred liturgy."

The below is taken from Pope Benedict XIV's Ex Quo:

11. [...] "For Augustine, mindful that the Lord established the foundation of the Church on the Apostolic sees, says that whosoever removes himself from the authority and communion of the prelates of those sees is in schism." He states plainly that there is no church apart from one which is firmly established on the pontifical bases of the Apostolic sees. Thus how can you believe that you are not separated from the communion of the whole world if you do not commemorate my name during the sacred mysteries, according to custom? For you see that the strength of the Apostolic See resides in me, *despite my unworthiness*, through episcopal succession at the present time.”

13 [...] The clear result of all this is that the Latin and Greek churches agree in recognizing and affirming that the commemoration implies a profession of due subjection to the Roman pontiff as head of the Church, and of a willingness to remain in the unity of the Church. On the other hand the omission of this commemoration signifies the intention of steadfastly espousing schism. 

Re: Allignment with which Catholic group.
« Reply #16 on: Today at 04:38:09 PM »
This is a good reminder.  Thank you.
You're welcome.


Re: Allignment with which Catholic group.
« Reply #17 on: Today at 05:17:26 PM »
Prayer of Reparation through Our Lady

Most adorable, eternal, loving and all-holy Trinity, we humbly kneel before Thy Face, and with a contrite heart,
earnestly beseech Thee to turn upon us Thy loving countenance, and hear our prayer. We turn with confidence
to the Immaculate and Sorrowful Heart of Mary, and beseech Thee to hear us, not looking upon our
abominable sins, but upon her love for Thee; a love that perfectly resembles that of the Crucified One. For her
love was so great, that Thou didst work a continuous miracle in order that she may not die of love for Thee. For
the love of her, then, and Our Lord Jesus Christ, do we beseech Thee to hear us, and grant what we request of
Thee.

We behold all around us, most loving and eternal Father, the wretched degradation of society, the loss of
innumerable souls to the errors of modernism, and the ever increasing allurements of this world snatching Thy
beloved lambs, members of Thy very fold, from Thy Hands. We behold further the Church in her Passion,
where her Shepherds are few, and her lambs often deprived of the milk of Thy grace in the Holy Sacraments. We
know that our sins have justly provoked Thy wrath, and we have good cause to presume that the resolution to
this crisis has been delayed, due to our ingratitude. We therefore beseech Thee once again, to remember the
Queen of Martyrs and the Man of Sorrows, and graciously accept our attempt to appease Thy Sovereign
Goodness, and receive our sincere request to put an end to these evils we have confided to Thee; to "Convert us,
O God: and shew us thy face, and we shall be saved." (Psalm 79:4)

O Lord, Thou hast loved us from all eternity: "I have loved thee with an everlasting love, therefore have I drawn
thee, taking pity on thee." (Jeremias 31:3). Thou hast sent us Thy only-begotten Son to die for our salvation. Thou
hast sustained us in existence with immense love and condescension, despite our audacity in offending Thee, O
Charity, O Source of all good! We sorrowfully acknowledge and proclaim that our ingratitude is monstrous, our
sins are innumerable, and the Blood of Thy Beloved Son has been, by our sins, trodden underfoot.

But we know that “thou, O Lord, art a God of compassion, and merciful, patient, and of much mercy, and true."
(Psalm 85:15). We look upon the Crucified; Our Lord Jesus Christ on His Cross, and behold in His Face the
paleness of death; we hear the beats of His Sacred Heart grow faint, and we are filled with holy confusion and
love at the sight of a God dying for our sins. We know that He has chosen from all eternity to die of love and for
love of us, despite His foresight of our ingratitude and wickedness: “I have a baptism wherewith I am to be
baptized: and how am I straitened until it be accomplished?" (Luke 12:50) And His infinite love fills us with hope;
the hope of being faithful to Thee on earth, that we may love Thee with all our hearts in union with the Blessed
Queen of Heaven, and all the heavenly court for all eternity.

Accept, then, all-holy and adorable Trinity, the humble homage of our hearts. For we unite our hearts with the
infinite merits of the Sacred Heart of Jesus in the Holy Sacrifice of Calvary, and that of the Holy Sacrifice, which
is renewed daily upon our altars. We offer Thee our hearts, filled with a burning longing to be perfectly contrite
for all of our sins. Graciously satisfy this longing, for the sake of Thy Crucified Son, and accept the total offering
of our wills we give to Thee through the Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary. We were made for Thee, O
God of mercies!... We remind Thee of the prayer of Thy Beloved Son at the hour of His Passion: “And now
glorify thou me, O Father, with thyself, with the glory which I had, before the world was, with thee." (John 17:5)

With Our Lord Jesus Christ do we utter the same, in this our Passion; the Passion of Thy Church, Spouse of the
Immaculate Lamb. And we beseech Thee that we Thy children may truly convert and glorify Thee...that we may
carry this cross of the crisis, along with our own little crosses after the Man of Sorrows, our Saviour, that we may
be united to Thee to share in Thy glory for all eternity, world without end, Amen.