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Which Catholic group do you feel best describes your current stance on the crisis?

Novus Ordo/Indult
1 (2.9%)
SSPX (Bishop Felay)
2 (5.9%)
SSPV (Bishop Kelly, RIP)
2 (5.9%)
Resistance (Bishop Zendejas)
7 (20.6%)
CMRI (Bishop Pivarunas)
3 (8.8%)
RCI (Bishop Sanborn)
5 (14.7%)
Home Alone
1 (2.9%)
I can't pick one
10 (29.4%)
Other
3 (8.8%)

Total Members Voted: 34

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Online Gray2023

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Re: Allignment with which Catholic group.
« Reply #10 on: Today at 04:45:11 AM »
It is somewhat normal in a sense that traditional Catholics are neurotic. The crisis is extremely taxing on both soul and body. May God give us the humility, patience and meekness to bear these sufferings for the love of Jesus.

Pray the whole, 15 decade Rosary every day, and you will find the truth in everything.

The promises given by Our Lady to St. Dominic assure us of this.

1 Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive signal graces.
2 I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.
3 The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies.
4 It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the heart of men from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.
5 The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary shall not perish.
6 Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying himself to the consideration of its sacred mysteries, shall never be conquered and never overwhelmed by misfortune. God will not chastise him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death (unprepared for heaven). The sinner shall convert. The just shall grow in grace and become worthy of eternal life.
7 Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the sacraments of the Church.
8 Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have, during their life and at their death, the light of God and the plenitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the saints in paradise.
9 I shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.
10 The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in heaven.
11 You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary.
12 All those who propagate the holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.
13 I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death.
14 All who recite the Rosary are my sons, and brothers of my only son Jesus Christ.
15 Devotion to my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.
This is a good reminder.  Thank you.

Online Gray2023

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Re: Allignment with which Catholic group.
« Reply #11 on: Today at 04:50:34 AM »

Ok first, I dont think your son definitely not going to be a priest. That's an unfair thing to say. Just that there is a doubt. And yes, I agree completely that we should pray that Thuc line get themselves conditionally ordained.


Anyway as to the question of who tells us what's right? Well that's the whole problem. As Bishop Williamson said it's suppose to be the Pope. Nobody else can tell us what to do in the same way, when it comes to supernatural matters.

However Archbishop Lefebvre laid out pretty simple principle; Do as the Church has always done, and always believed.

That's it!


The reason I am resistance is because the Church always told her faithful to distance from error. So that rules out modernist types. From your whacky Novus Ordo to your SSPX.

Then on the flip side, the Church has always been careful when it comes to the validity of Sacraments. Which is why I cannot in conscience attend Thuc line Sacraments. No matter how nice the faithful might be, and no matter how many sede friends I have. And I do have many.


Bishop Williamson didn't really verbalize it in this way, but he acted on it. Which is why he consecrated Bishops. He certainly had regrets about some of them, but he was man enough to admit he made mistakes. But it's not about personal attachment to the man, though he was great.

When we look back at this crazy period in history, whether we're still alive or in purgatory, I would like to think that most of us would like to feel we had the same level of perseverance as the martyrs of old, and as the Church appeared to fade from view and die, we held to the sure knowledge that it cannot and never will.
Also good words.  This journey is a marathon, not a sprint.


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Re: Allignment with which Catholic group.
« Reply #12 on: Today at 05:49:55 AM »
True, but what authority tells us who is correct?  Our own brain? Or the priests we like best? Or our fathers or mothers? Or our husbands or wives?  Or our friends? Or random people on the internet?

I am really not trying to start a fight, but I have had to wrestle with this for 20 years and my best option is following my husband.  The sad thing is my son is hopefully going to become a priest, but you Tom think he is not, that is the real tragedy of this Crisis.
My opinion...we are living the prophecy of Jeremiah right now, the whole chapter 23 but specifically 23:1-4:

1 Woe to the pastors, that destroy and tear the sheep of my pasture, saith the Lord
2 Therefore thus saith the Lord the God of Israel to the pastors that feed my people: You have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold I will visit upon you for the evil of your doings, saith the Lord. 
3 And I will gather together the remnant of my flock, out of all the lands into which I have cast them out: and I will make them return to their own fields, and they shall increase and be multiplied. 
4 And I will set up pastors over them, and they shall feed them: they shall fear no more, and they shall not be dismayed: and none shall be wanting of their number, saith the Lord.  

Reference verses 1-2: Realize that we are in a crisis and that the highest authorities in the Church have corrupted themselves and are not reliable. So the priests that we are to avoid are all priests who preach error or heresy. Priests are still being certainly validly ordained, your son should go to where his formation is orthodox and ordination is certainly valid. 

Reference verse 3: Faithful trads

Reference verse 4: Where we are now - we have Independents, SAJM, SSPX, various Dominican and Benedictine groups, Servants of the Holy Family, etc., etc.. There are also various sede groups and the list of valid priests / Masses / sacraments goes on. I personally do not include and do not recommend FSSP, or any of the "Canonically regular" traditionalist groups and recommend avoiding them altogether.


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My prayer is that their will be some sort of clear resolution in  the next 5 years. 

I also pray that Thuc line humble themselves and get conditionally ordained by Bishop Zendesjas.  But I also pray that the SSPX and the "Resistance" priest and Bishops humble themselves and remove Pope Leo's name from their masses.  I know this is too simple and naive, but it doesn't hurt to pray.  God can say no.
We are gong on 3 generations without clear resolution, I think that your hope is misplaced here and that it's better to plan for this crisis to persist for another 3 - or more generations, just my opinion.

Do not concern yourself with the validity of the +Thuc line, you have enough worrying to do in regards to the salvation of your soul and the souls in your care. You just concern yourself with avoiding  trad priests who preach error or heresy.

The Church has always taught that regardless of one's opinion, omitting the name of the pope from the canon of the Mass is an act of schism, do not pray for that.