First, to all the third-party/abstaining/never-Trump voters out there: please don't be offended by my calling you a "wiener". It's just meant as a friendly ribbing.

 :wink:

But seriously, though...

Exhibit A)

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Liberal-CNN-boo-hooing-about-Birth-Control-being-defunded

The liberals and CNN.com (but I repeat myself) are all upset about who Trump chose for Director of Health and Human Services.

If there were no difference between Trump and Hillary, this wouldn't be happening.

Yes, I know all the bad stuff about Trump. Nevertheless, there's a war going on, between liberals and conservatives. Trump is clearly the "side to be on" for those against abortion, contraception, liberalism, perversion, sodomy, etc.

Sure, Trump might compromise at times, but you can't argue with stuff like this.

I posit that if Trump did nothing else besides appoint this controversial man to Director of Health and Human Services, he has fulfilled one promise to distinguish himself from Hillary Clinton.

Furthermore, since Trump is clearly better than Hillary in a concrete way, why didn't all Traditional Catholics vote for him?

And we complain that there are only two parties, but there are only two parties. (See "The Principle and Foundation" of the Ignatian Spiritual Exercises)

God vs. satan
The Rights of God vs. the Rights of Man
Christendom vs. the French Revolution

All of us can be placed into one of those TWO camps. And yes, broadly speaking, those camps align with

Republican: Conservative, old order, what's left of Christendom
Democrat: Liberal, rights of man, perversion, pushing towards moral anarchy

Our Lord said, "He who is not with me, is against me." How many people try to be on a third or "neutral" side, neither fighting for Our Lord but not openly campaigning for Satan either? These lukewarm Catholics are the original "third party voters".

Long story short, there is a flood of rage and anger from the Liberals ever since Trump was elected. If he were truly "no different" from the Democratic candidate, then why are the liberals SO fervently upset about him?

Third party voters, abstainers, never-Trumpers, etc. please answer for yourselves.

I'd love to hear Matt Walsh's lame excuse. He claims to be conservative and pro-life, but for some bizarre reason he couldn't get himself to back Trump, even when it was Trump vs. Hillary.

I'm sorry, but the results don't lie. I think I (and all the other Catholics who voted for Trump) have been vindicated and proven right.

Specifically, this is how we've been proven right: "Trump is a far better option than Hillary, and Trump has good things about him and compelling promises that are worth voting for."

I would've rather had a conservative with A) actual government experience. B) Integrity.

That's why I voted for Evan McMullin.

A billionaire with no government experience getting this far ABSOLUTELY means he is bought and paid for by big money. Sheldon Adelson, the Koch Bros., George Soros, etc. All the rich big money billionaire establishment Jєωs.

I may be wrong, but conventional wisdom went out the window in this election. Typically, one would be safe to say the majority is always wrong. I'm of the opinion that "mob rule" didn't come out in favor of what the "Established" perceived.

McMullin, to the best of my knowledge, was nothing but a spoiler. He was primarily endorsed by the "Never Trumpers," even though it would've almost guaranteed a Clinton victory had they been successful in their endeavors. This was a heinous crime.

For me choosing a third party isn't just about Trump. I think we need a alternative to the two mediocrities that have run things for the past over 100 years.

We had Ross Perot in 1992 and he got 19% of the vote. My state elected Jesse Ventura in 1998 as governor of Minnesota. A third-party could win, they just have to be successful and relevant.

Casting your vote for someone who will not deliver what you think he has promised is worse than throwing your vote away. You have place Trump in an occasion of serious sin. He will not stop Americans from murdering their unborn or from funding the same overseas even though he must. He will not stop adultery (even though it is illegal in 17 states) or fornication so rampant in our nation. He will do nothing against pornography, indecency, or any vices. The massive fraud that is the Federal Reserve will continue to steal America's middle class wealth. He will not curb false religions. Yes, I threw my vote away, but I am not complicit in the actions or inaction that Mr Trump will now be guilty of; that's all you. I am determined to only vote for the most principled of men as they bear an extreme responsibility.

God bless,
JoeZ

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For me choosing a third party isn't just about Trump. I think we need a alternative to the two mediocrities that have run things for the past over 100 years.

We had Ross Perot in 1992 and he got 19% of the vote. My state elected Jesse Ventura in 1998 as governor of Minnesota. A third-party could win, they just have to be successful and relevant.

in 1968 George Wallace won four states.

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For me choosing a third party isn't just about Trump. I think we need a alternative to the two mediocrities that have run things for the past over 100 years.

I agree Poche, but that's not how our system of Government is (currently) designed to work. Why waste your vote? Trump is no Bl. Gaberiel Garcia Moreno (please, God, if we could only get someone like him). But knowing that our system is inherently designed as a two party system and choosing to vote for a third party candidate is like having to choose between a Lamborghini and Ford Pinto and opting for a skateboard because Lamborghini's aren't american made (I tried, you get the point :) ). So, I agree with what you say, but I say focus your efforts on changing the system rather than wasting your vote and chancing it with Killary.

Several years ago there was a debate in the governors race. There were three candidates, the democrat, the republican, and the libertarian. After the election an associate of mine called me and said "Did you see the debate?"
I said , yes."
My associate said "Do you know who I think made the most sense? It was that libertarian."
So I replied, "So you voted for the libertarian?."
"No," replied my associate. "I didn't want to waste my vote."
I would put it to you that that person wasted her vote because she voted for one of the people who made the less sense. That is why we are in the mess we are in today,. people voting for other than the one who makes the most sense.  

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Quote from: poche

For me choosing a third party isn't just about Trump. I think we need a alternative to the two mediocrities that have run things for the past over 100 years.

I agree Poche, but that's not how our system of Government is (currently) designed to work. Why waste your vote? Trump is no Bl. Gaberiel Garcia Moreno (please, God, if we could only get someone like him). But knowing that our system is inherently designed as a two party system and choosing to vote for a third party candidate is like having to choose between a Lamborghini and Ford Pinto and opting for a skateboard because Lamborghini's aren't american made (I tried, you get the point :) ). So, I agree with what you say, but I say focus your efforts on changing the system rather than wasting your vote and chancing it with Killary.

Several years ago there was a debate in the governors race. There were three candidates, the democrat, the republican, and the libertarian. After the election an associate of mine called me and said "Did you see the debate?"
I said , yes."
My associate said "Do you know who I think made the most sense? It was that libertarian."
So I replied, "So you voted for the libertarian?."
"No," replied my associate. "I didn't want to waste my vote."
I would put it to you that that person wasted her vote because she voted for one of the people who made the less sense. That is why we are in the mess we are in today,. people voting for other than the one who makes the most sense.  

Again, I think that your efforts, then, should be directed at changing the 'system'. Voting for a 3rd party candidate will have no real effect on an election since the 'system' is designed to give the two parties such an advantage which begins with the debate process. Third party candidates are at such a disadvantage from the get go with fundraising efforts just to be able to debate... the list goes on and on.

If enough people vote for them the system will change