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Re: Advice on immodest adult daughter
« Reply #75 on: Today at 02:24:25 AM »
You made a post about Alberta, Canada. We have Starbucks in Canada so I find your remark bizarre and unnecessary.
You find it bizarre to support a family on meagre means?

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Re: Advice on immodest adult daughter
« Reply #76 on: Today at 02:32:06 AM »
You find it bizarre to support a family on meagre means?
No? The fact she said American as an insult. 


Re: Advice on immodest adult daughter
« Reply #77 on: Today at 06:38:13 AM »
Wow, talk about a misunderstanding! First of all, I do not live in America, however I have personally known the lifestyle of some traditional Catholic, American families. I am definitely not advocating necessarily living exactly as the saints I cited lived or living in a way that would invite wicked government interference. I don't understand why traditional Catholics have this tendency to treat what others say as if it should have the clarity of a dogmatic pronouncement, and so literally.

I was simply trying to illustrate by those examples of the saints, that what candidates for marriage should be focused more on, is their ability to raise children for Heaven, and with due prudence, to rely more on God's Providence for temporal necessities. In other words, the financial considerations are important, but should not be overly emphasized. Being able to afford only one's basic necessities, in North America, is usually referred to as being poor, and I thought people would understand that.

The times are never so bad that God allows it to become impossible for good people to live in them and do His will. I have observed that among Americans (generally, of course there are exceptions), there is a tendency to mistake wants for necessities, and to be obsessed with money and luxury, and this is something that is a problem even among traditional Catholics. There are many things about raising a family that young people are simply are not aware of, and they mistakingly think they need all of these things in order to provide for their families.

The person who told me the family they knew that lived on the Starbucks income, was from the United States, and this was about ten years ago. To my knowledge, he did not receive government benefits, he could have been a manager or something. Does that mean I propose young men literally go to Starbucks and make a living there? No. Again, I was only trying to illustrate a point, the point being that maybe it is not so much the times that are bad (though of course they are, but let's not exaggerate, it could be much worse), as much as it is we who have too high of standards sometimes. I have personally seen the lifestyle of truly poor people in third world countries. There is a way to economize and be creative when an income is lower than desired, without the government feeling the need to interfere.

For example, babies do not need disposable diapers for 3 years, which costs thousands of dollars. It is American propaganda that baby isn't potty-trained until 3-4 years old. It was customary in the past for babies to be potty-trained by 18 months, through elimination communication. Moreover, cloth diapering will save lots of money.

To save money on clothing, buy at thrift stores, they have things there that look brand new and fashionable, as well as modest.

For food: buy the cheap cuts of meat, the organs, bones for broth, fats, whole chickens, etc. Bone broth is protein sparing, which means that you can eat less meat when consuming bone broth with it, due to the gelatin present in the broth. Lentils and eggs are both wonderful sources of protein and amino acids, and are also among the cheaper foods. The most nutritious vegetables, cabbage, carrots and potatoes, are among the cheapest. This is what I mean by God providing, and are only a few examples of the many simple ways to economize.

Matthew, in one of your podcasts, Gladius was explaining how he would rather give his child a simple Catholic education by sending him into a forest with a few books, then send him to a public school, and you agreed. Can you clarify? because by your recent posts it now seems like you would vehemently reject such a statement.


First, to EVERYONE ELSE, watching you all bully and gaslight Maria on this is truly incredible.


Another example of how the faithful can truly be utterly goofy when it comes to certain things. 

I agree with what she said, but I will push back on one small thing. This is not a uniquely american phenomenon. This is every where. Americans are just more direct and honest about what people in other countries are thinking anyway. 


There is a guy on twitter called hickman who got a lot of slack for saying he could support his family on 1000 dollars a month. You read that right. That's even less. (Upstate NY if you wanna know where)

The problem is many men let themselves get gaslit by their wives into thinking they couldnt possibly live without x or y. When in fact Scripture tells us plainly of the ideal wife who is resourceful and hard working. A man who works in starbucks and is hard  working can indeed support in many areas in the US a family. Maybe not in SF, LA or NY city, but certainly in a lot of other places. Does that mean it is easy? Absolutely not, never said it was, but I think what is very revealing is the lack of perspective on things by all westerners.

It's all about expectations. And the Jews have inculcated in us such high expectations of a standard of living and an individualistic one, that we squeel like little piglets whenever someone suggests we might need to lower them. The NWO gaslighting has worked. The way you are treating Maria here proves this abundandly. Disgusting, the lot of you.



Re: Advice on immodest adult daughter
« Reply #78 on: Today at 06:47:13 AM »
Or he was smart with his money, and so was his wife. Children truly do not require that much.
I mean this in the nicest way possible, but you probably don’t have kids? It is so hard to understand all the expenses until you’re in the thick of it.  I used to have the same mentality, and reality hit hard about year 2 with only 2 children.
They are in fact very pricey.
Even if doing all you describe- the cloth diapers, not buying unnecessary gadgets, thrifting, cheap but affordable food, being overall smart with their money, etc. They are still expensive.
I do agree very much with you that God will give you the grace to make it in these times, but as Matthew said, we need to be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.
If a woman is going to marry a man making $15/hr (give or take, but I figure that might be the average Starbucks wage)she should be ready to contribute income to help care for the kids because that is just the reality of it. Even if they are doing EVERYTHING to be frugal. Unless of course they have parents helping them, or other helps that most people don’t have starting out.


Re: Advice on immodest adult daughter
« Reply #79 on: Today at 07:59:02 AM »
... Because it sounds to me he got married either late 90s or early 2000s, things were much much cheaper back then. ...
True, things were much cheaper back then. Back in the early 2000's when I got married, I made $25K per yr. (less than 15/hr.) and had no issues affording a $600/month apartment and operating two old cars. But today, I suspect that apartment is close to $1000 and that $25K would not be enough to live as comfortable as we did back then.