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Offline Matthew

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Re: Advice on immodest adult daughter
« Reply #40 on: Yesterday at 09:07:50 AM »
I keep coming back to this Andrews Sisters song, which, just to clarify, refers to the kind of man they are seeking --- "Daddy" --- not their own fathers.



Classic example of "black and white not being good".
Seriously, there are pop singers from the 90s, the Cranberries for example, that are more wholesome than this.
And the problem with that, is that culture has be steadily going downhill every decade. So it's not normal, natural, or expected for something 90's to be better than something 50's or 60's.
And yet, I would have to say that the influence, ideas, overall wholesomeness is often better in "newer" things (music, movies, etc.) than a lot of black-and-white era stuff.

Fun fact: these aren't Boomers, either. They are the parents of the Boomers.

I'm reading "Raising Your Children" by Integrity magazine (the Angelus Press reprint). Those articles are from the late 40's and early 50's, talking about American culture, lifestyle, family life, etc. It's amazing to read, since this was supposedly written in "the good old days", you know, the time period the Facebook memes glorify, when boys could take guns to school for fun, compare rifles with the Principal during recess while smiling, etc.

Re: Advice on immodest adult daughter
« Reply #41 on: Yesterday at 09:30:08 AM »
Classic example of "black and white not being good".
Seriously, there are pop singers from the 90s, the Cranberries for example, that are more wholesome than this.
And the problem with that, is that culture has be steadily going downhill every decade. So it's not normal, natural, or expected for something 90's to be better than something 50's or 60's.
And yet, I would have to say that the influence, ideas, overall wholesomeness is often better in "newer" things (music, movies, etc.) than a lot of black-and-white era stuff.

Some popular songs of the more modern era profess Christian virtues in a way that is unimaginable in entertainment of the 1950s and before, such as the Doobie Brothers' Jesus Is Just Alright (kind of a flip turn of phrase, but just listen to it, it actually began as a Protestant gospel song), Mister Mister's Kyrie Eleison, or The Byrds' Turn! Turn! Turn!, which is taken straight from the book of Ecclesiastes.  Compare that with Perry Como's It's Impossible with that horrible verse "I would sell my very soul and not regret it".


Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Advice on immodest adult daughter
« Reply #42 on: Yesterday at 09:47:21 AM »
This is a case where the Trad Church (mostly parents, but also priests) is 30 years behind the times.  The feminist world is screaming, luring and grooming young women to be career woman who will never marry.  Be the "strong, independent" woman.  Go Girl!  The failure of the Trad Church is in recognizing this corruption.

If young women (starting at age 14) aren't told to start praying for their vocation (i.e. marriage or religious), then by the time they are 18 and out of the house, they are going to be swept up by the "career mindedness" of the world.  Once this happens, the feminism kicks in. 

I'm not saying that women shouldn't get trained as nurses or teachers or avoid higher education (avoid universities?  Yes).  But if the FOUNDATION for "why" you are going to school isn't there (i.e. i'm going to school because

a) i've determined that my calling is NOT to a religious vocation
b) i'm getting a job until God answers my prayers for marriage...and...this job will help my future family.
c) I'm not sure about anything but i'm still praying for an answer from God...and...this job is temporary.
)

If women are not taught that jobs/career are not an end, but a means, and that a job MUST be subordinated to her family/vocation goals, then she will be swept away by feminism.  She will become nothing more than a corporate prostitute, always searching for more money and status.  And her caring/nurturing side will develop into rabid liberalism, because women cannot avoid govt/socialist propaganda.  Guaranteed.

----

Young men are always told about the priesthood and/or marriage.  The "vocations" sermon in Trad churches is almost always talking about the priesthood and directed at men.  Because it is ASSUMED that women naturally want marriage/children.  But we can't make that assumption anymore.  Society is inverted. 

Today, men want families more than women do.  FACT.   (women only want families if the "perfect" guy shows up).
Men are willing to be more frugal and live poorer.  FACT.  (women want an instagram life with all the material bells n whistles).
Men are not caught up in status or "being fulfilled" by work, as women are.  FACT.  (women want to get acceptance/approval from work/strangers, similar to social media)

The entire world is working overtime to corrupt women.  Parents and the Church need to wake up.

Re: Advice on immodest adult daughter
« Reply #43 on: Yesterday at 10:17:32 AM »
Young men are always told about the priesthood and/or marriage.  The "vocations" sermon in Trad churches is almost always talking about the priesthood and directed at men.  Because it is ASSUMED that women naturally want marriage/children.  But we can't make that assumption anymore.  Society is inverted. 

Today, men want families more than women do.  FACT.  (women only want families if the "perfect" guy shows up).
Men are willing to be more frugal and live poorer.  FACT.  (women want an instagram life with all the material bells n whistles).
Men are not caught up in status or "being fulfilled" by work, as women are.  FACT.  (women want to get acceptance/approval from work/strangers, similar to social media)

The entire world is working overtime to corrupt women.  Parents and the Church need to wake up.
This is major problem at the SSPX girl schools run by Domican nuns. They are all being primed to go to further education, that's all they talk about in their final years at school. I would be quite happy for my 18 year old daughter to marry a 28 year old good Catholic man. 

There is a real blind spot with priestly advice on mariage issues. The answer to issues is almost always to ask the man to bear his cross. When I spoke to an elderly priest about the very real differences between how men and women perceive the world, handle money, handle stress he behaved liked he was discovering seomthing new.  

Offline Gray2023

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Re: Advice on immodest adult daughter
« Reply #44 on: Yesterday at 10:40:55 AM »
This is a case where the Trad Church (mostly parents, but also priests) is 30 years behind the times.  The feminist world is screaming, luring and grooming young women to be career woman who will never marry.  Be the "strong, independent" woman.  Go Girl!  The failure of the Trad Church is in recognizing this corruption.

If young women (starting at age 14) aren't told to start praying for their vocation (i.e. marriage or religious), then by the time they are 18 and out of the house, they are going to be swept up by the "career mindedness" of the world.  Once this happens, the feminism kicks in. 

I'm not saying that women shouldn't get trained as nurses or teachers or avoid higher education (avoid universities?  Yes).  But if the FOUNDATION for "why" you are going to school isn't there (i.e. i'm going to school because

a) i've determined that my calling is NOT to a religious vocation
b) i'm getting a job until God answers my prayers for marriage...and...this job will help my future family.
c) I'm not sure about anything but i'm still praying for an answer from God...and...this job is temporary.
)

If women are not taught that jobs/career are not an end, but a means, and that a job MUST be subordinated to her family/vocation goals, then she will be swept away by feminism.  She will become nothing more than a corporate prostitute, always searching for more money and status.  And her caring/nurturing side will develop into rabid liberalism, because women cannot avoid govt/socialist propaganda.  Guaranteed.

----

Young men are always told about the priesthood and/or marriage.  The "vocations" sermon in Trad churches is almost always talking about the priesthood and directed at men.  Because it is ASSUMED that women naturally want marriage/children.  But we can't make that assumption anymore.  Society is inverted. 

Today, men want families more than women do.  FACT.  (women only want families if the "perfect" guy shows up).
Men are willing to be more frugal and live poorer.  FACT.  (women want an instagram life with all the material bells n whistles).
Men are not caught up in status or "being fulfilled" by work, as women are.  FACT.  (women want to get acceptance/approval from work/strangers, similar to social media)

The entire world is working overtime to corrupt women.  Parents and the Church need to wake up.
Good post.

I just want to add that the parents interaction with each other also influences how the children decide about marriage.