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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: victim of the sspx on January 16, 2018, 06:59:55 PM
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Share this with SSPX members in Ireland
They are familiar with this case but some are intimidated into silence amidst a cover up.
I want everyone to know I resent what they done.
The following should be sent to those involved.
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I'm totally lost as to what you and the influential chapel parishioners want me to say in order to be treated as if I have a right to go to Mass and Sacraments.
I already explained numerous times that your peers are trying to illegally get me banned even if I do nothing wrong, and they do this by lobbying priests.
But you don't care.
None of you do.
So what exactly am I supposed to do or say in order to get treated like I have a right to be there? Can you answer that question??
All you people do is call me "Nutjob" and then give me the silent boycott treatment.
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So what exactly do you expect me to conclude or say or do?
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Am I right that you heap contempt upon vulnerable disabled people for the reasons I have outlined in my various allegations which contain many obvious facts which are also stated by others?
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Was I right all along?
It looks as if I was right, and by calling me "Nutjob" names and then boycotting me after you make it impossible for me to practice my religion now that is the only impression you people give me.
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How can you call yourself a follower of Jesus if you wont give people the dignity of a response?
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If I was wrong about your society, which I doubt, then why cant you enlighten me as to why my allegations are incorrect?
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Is it because I am not worth saving because I am disabled? Was I in fact right all along?
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And why should people submit to parishioners who treat their souls with contempt?
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And if you are all the pinnacle of sanctity and can do no wrong, then why do you have no concern for my soul? And why actively try to expel me from the church?
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And why polarize me against it?
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Does Jesus want to save my soul or not?
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And why were many of you bullying a person who had a history of self harm in a cruel manner?
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And why did you not stop once he started to show suicidal tendencies?
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And why did you not think he should have contact with the church during that time in order to prevent his death?
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And why did you ridicule him with names like "nutjob" when he returned?
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And why did you try to get him expelled when he went back through complaints to Menzigen and the District superior?
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And what exactly could you complain about other than the situation that you think mentally ill people have no right to be in the church and should be banned for that sole reason?
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And how are you people so successful in manipulating Fr Griego to act on behalf of your bigotry against disabled people?
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And how were you able to coax Fr Griego into covering up the ordeals of bullying and emotional abuse that a vulnerable person suffered while attending Corpus Christi?
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And why does none of these legitimate complaints register on your conscience?
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Is it because I have no value and my soul is worthless?
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Do you refuse to care because as a disabled person No one should care about me and I don't even have a right to be in a Catholic church?
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And what exactly am I supposed to apologized for which initiated my ban in the first place?
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And what exactly is the words of this apology supposed to refer to and state?
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And what was i banned for?
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And why do I have no right to access the church for Mass and Sacraments?
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And if some infraction of church law took place why is it not forgiven?
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And is it for sending an angry text message?
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And if that is the reason then why are the many incidents of people being angry towards me not also ban worthy?
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And do you know what she done which provoked that text message ( overt threatening to get me locked up and belittling me and bullying on the phone)
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And do you know X ridiculed me regularly and bullied me when I attended church ( "youre making too much noise walking into church and disturbing me, can you not walk on your tippey toes or something? Then others walk in making much louder noise and she says nothing to them) ( I have many examples)
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How does she get awa with leaving threatening notes in the bookshelf in the parish hall which contained words like (Injection, hospital, mediation, torn from a page and placed in the books which I read often)
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And if you believe in Patriarchy then why does a female have permission to heap contempt on a male?
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And why does X have the authority to slam the door of the chapel in the face of someone fresh from the confession box who spoke to the priest inside who granted him permission to be there?
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And why if I apologize for whatever it is I am supposed to have done, is it not accepted?
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And why does the sacrament of penance not work on me if it works on you?
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And why do none of you feel the need to confess what you done?
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And is it because as you have demonstrated with repeated lobbying efforts, you want to do it again?
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And why are there no open lines of communication between me and whoever it is I have supposedly wronged in order for me to make such an apology?
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And why do others not need to apologize to me?
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And why is my suffering irrelevant but your displeasure at my presence more relevant than my salvation?
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And why do you think it is acceptable in Jesus opinion for individuals to be thrown out of the church and boycotted by all?
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And why do my spiritual needs not matter to any of you?
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And why is the best you can do is jeer me behind my back and lobby priests behind my back and then collectively give me the silent treatment?
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And do you claim I am inferior because of a disability?
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And do people diagnosed deserve contempt?
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And do you believe I am possessed by the devil because of a diagnosis?
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And have any of you voiced your unconventional beliefs and behavior to a psychiatrist to see if you yourselves are perfectly sane?
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And why can't someone with a diagnosis go to church?
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And do you feel the same about the 390 million other people who also have a diagnosis?
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And would you likewise encourage them to die or bully them if you knew for a fact that they were suicidal at the time?
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And would you likewise slam the door in their faces?
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And would you also call them "nutjobs" even if you have never met them before? ( That american couple referred to me as "That guys a total nutjob" even though they never met me before because it is fashionable amongst Corpus Christi parishioners to persecute me)
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And am I a "Bad Potato"? (X explained to the priest through metaphors that I was a bad potato who would corrupt the good potatoes who should be put into a field and covered in (dung))
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And what did I do against him personally to merit such contempt?
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And if I done nothing to provoke it then will you admit that I am persecuted because of my perceived vulnerability due to a diagnosis?
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And if your peers encouraged you to refer to someone as a nutjob and bully them then would you?
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And would you feel the need to go to confession for insulting someone who was a "Nutjob"?
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And if not is it because you think such people give the church a bad image and you want to make them unwelcome, regardless of the needs of their soul?
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And if your church excludes people with disabilities then why do you claim you are religious and not a social club?
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And where in the bible does it say to call people nutjobs and lobby to get them banned from churches and slam doors in their faces and boycott them? Can you give me an exact scripture refernece for that?
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And why was there absolutely no investigation into my side of the story?
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And why was I condemned by Fr Griego before I ever met him?
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And why with physical injuries was I forced to travel to the other side of the country for Mass and sacraments needing to stay in a hostel to go there?
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And why are others forgiven ( former resistance people) but I am not?
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Is it because you see them as useful but me a burden?
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Are their souls worth more than mine?
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Is my soul worth anything?
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Do you care if I doubt that the Catholic church is interested in souls?
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And why do my opinions not count?
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And why do influential chapel regulars have a say in whether or not I can go to church?
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And why do they collectively condemn me behind my back and conspire to remove me from the church?
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And why do you get indignant if i repay your contempt with my own contempt?
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And why are people forbidden to question your treatment towards vulnerable people?
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And why are the parishioners of the SSPX the only ones who think my opinions are irrelevant?
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And is it because of a diagnosis that I am not permitted to attend a church?
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And what qualifications do you have in psychology?
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And what qualifications do you have in psychiatry?
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And given these qualifications what is your thesis diagnose routine for the label of "nutjob" and why does a diagnosis even matter so much to you?
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And why do you not like disabled people?
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And why do you heap contempt upon them?
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And why is a disability worthy of de facto excommunication?
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And where in Canon Law does it say that the punishment for mental illness is excommunication and that the faithful must heap contempt upon such an individual until they die in despair?
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And if a soul is in despair why are you satisfied with that result?
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And if you polarize a soul against the Catholic church why do you think that situation should be allowed to continue?
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And why do you have nothing to apologize for?
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And why are disabled people not worthy of dignity?
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And why are disabled people not worthy of apologies?
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And why are disabled people not allowed attend church for Mass and Sacraments?
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And why are disabled people worthy of contempt on account of disability?
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And why are disabled people not entitled to have their side of the story heard?
Why is there no Due process in my case?
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And if a parishioner imitates practices of certain saints why do you call it "Imprudent"?
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Is it because he is exposing your superficiality by his example?
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And should a nun have a massage business?
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And should a nun disobey bishops and join schismatic sects and still be regarded as a member of the church?
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And if someone is a sinner should you not do penance for them? And should said penance not be equal to the gravity of the sin?
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And what kind of professed religious shouts "How did he get back in here" when I go to church to save my soul?
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And do you know that she has her own psychiatric illness and is not on medication, and do you lobby to get her banned as you did to me?
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And do you know she is guilty of fraud and was exposed on national radio for procuring funds from a village in co Mayo under false reasons?
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And do you think that in justice she ought to reimburse the money belonging to people she lied to and manipulated?
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And do you think you are morally superior?
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And if the holy spirit dwells in unity, then do you think your society which experienced a cινιℓ ωαr possesses the holy spirit?
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And do any of you actually care about souls? Or is it just those who you think are useful to the reputation and image of your society?
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And do you think that by showing preference in who you permit to attend your chapel that you will not incur the perception from mainstream society that your group is an elite club and not a religious group?
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Before anyone replies... I Expect ad hominem personal attacks and accusations.
I know that when this question was previously raised the response was never to listen or investigate, but to blame the victim and cancel out any reason to investigate with accusations against the victim.
These are all questions that they Daren't answer. They lack the courage to answer them.
They cannot face their own sins. Some horrible ordeal took place at that chapel which almost caused someone to die by ѕυιcιdє. The perpetrators have absolutely no remorse or shame.
The victim now posted this serious of 100+ questions for those responsible.
I am not Catholic anymore and I grew to resent the church after my agonizing experience caused by SSPX parishioners.
If anyone dares to challenge these facts, my email address is available from the forum.
I will debate any person connected to this in email.
For those who think Ostracism works... O really? I totally rejected the religion and brood with resentment after my experience.
I mean, how simple can it be to offer a helping hand of friendship to a soul for the purpose of saving them?
No one bothers, and that is a proof of my accusations that these were false catholic elitists.
Well I hope Jesus slamms the door of heaven in your faces too. And I hope when you pray you also get the silent treatment.
For any coward who I know is going to insult me over this, be assured that I hate what you have done to me.
For every one of your pathetic accusations I have 1000 serious ones of my own which you cannot deny lest be a liar.
Finally I am not finished exposing the SSPX and even though I will be banned from this forum I will continue my plan to expose the abuse and cover up that happened in the SSPX and I am by far not nearly finished being angry at the perpetrators.
I feel betrayed by the church and forcefully expelled from my own religion unjustly.
Therefore i lost my faith and no one cares if I go to hell according to your religion.
I will find a way of getting justice against those responsible.
I dont care what sanctions I incur, or what you say or do, or what the consequences are.
I will speak the truth and expose the SSPX.
I dont expect any sympathy because I know what trads are like.
Be assured the feeling of contempt is mutual. And I am NOT done with you.
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I am wiling to talk to you by email or phone. If you agree to this then you can initiate this contact by emailing me on admin@tradidi.com.
But I strongly disagree with the fact that you've made so many vague accusations which most of the people on CI will not be able to verify. That is detraction and/or calumny. Whatever happened to you, two wrongs don't make a right.
And I know with moral certainty that at least some of the accusations you've just made are simply wrong.
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:pray:I care about you even though I don't know you. We here on Cathinfo will pray for you too.
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I am wiling to talk to you by email or phone. If you agree to this then you can initiate this contact by emailing me on admin@tradidi.com.
But I strongly disagree with the fact that you've made so many vague accusations which most of the people on CI will not be able to verify. That is detraction and/or calumny. Whatever happened to you, two wrongs don't make a right.
And I know with moral certainty that at least some of the accusations you've just made are simply wrong.
Who cares what you think?
If this is some trad trying to assume the moral high ground, let me remind you that the Catholic church in the opinion of the entire world has lost it's claim to assuming the right to make declarations based on "moral certainty".
I am not a trad anymore, I was convinced that I should not be one anymore.
You could be me in a few years if you get an "Informative experience" on the nature of Catholics.
I am disgusted that your initial reaction is defensive and accusatory.
This was a post intended to shame people who tried to destroy a vulnerable person.
I knew I would get ad hominem attacks.
Why cant you answer the questions. Are you afraid to answer the questions?
Cat got your tongue? Are they too difficult? Do they require a bit of stepping down from the high horse of trad perfections?
I think the only thing you people worship is yourselves and I EXPECTED to be attacked.
I am laughing at your arrogance. You were not there, yet you KNOW I am wrong because I questioned Paradise.
Trouble in paradise is there? Nothing to see here. Just brush all our victims under the carpet.
As for contact, why dont you email me first because my settings allow members to email me.
And I dont care if you think it is calumny. I know what calumny is. That is accusing people in the wrong.
However I am in the right and I always was. Why do you think I went from a devout sspx trad to being an atheist?
I think you people had some role to play in my loss of faith and its time to OWN up and stop being in denial.
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:pray:I care about you even though I don't know you. We here on Cathinfo will pray for you too.
Not good enough. That is a get out of doing the right thing clause.
The parishioners have to OWN their sinful mistake.
If I go back to the chapel the superior gets lobbied by parishioners and pressurized to ban me even if I do nothing against anybody. They are obstacles to me practicing the religion.
How dare anyone hijack the chapel and run it for a select few and impose this injustice on me.
Its time they own their mistake or else I will walk away from catholcism and go to hell according to their own beliefs.
They dont care if I go to hell. They want to keep doing what they are doing. They think I give the chapel a bad image.
They only want people with money and charisma going to church. They want to pick and choose who is able to go.
But I have a soul according to their religion, which I doubt they even truly believe in.
Therefore I am worth something and I do not deserve contempt and obstructionist efforts to deny me mass and sacraments.
But I am at the point I dont even want sacraments. I hate the church now. Thanks to those responsible.
And they dont care. And they think it is cool not to care.
And they think it is fashionable amongst their peers to call people "nutjobs" and pressurize priests to punish them on their behalf.
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Nobody dares to answer my questions.
Go on.
More ad hominem attacks.
More empty platitudes.
More empty promises.
More empty virtue signals.
More evasiveness.
More obfuscation.
More blaming the victim.
I know you can do it... just remind yourself of all the times you people bullied this vulnerable person and he did not defend himself and convince yourself that he is the same way he used to be, and will take it all over again.
I know you can do it! Tap into that anti social narcissism from your empty unfulfilled lives and unleash it on your convenient victim at the moment.
Never mind the consequences.
There are no nutjobs in heaven, you know that for a fact.
Besides bullying him is fashionable and cool. Scapegoats exist for only one thing. Amirite lads?
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Where do the priests stand?
The superior condemned me before he ever met me.
There was absolutely zero investigation. I was never allowed defend myself.
I could avoid the SSPX for almost a year, and everytime I reach out to make contact the priests have a different accusation to level at me, ones I had not heard before. Outrageous ones. They shout at me over the phone. They call me names most of which accuse me of bad morals, crimes, and they like using psychiatric terminology.
A culture of sensational delusions infests the SSPX surrounding me.
Their imaginations are left free to run away and concoct accusations which are instantly believed and I am punished for them.
One day it is "the police called you" FALSE
Another day it is "so you broke her window" FALSE
Another day it is "so you said this to this person" FALSE
Another day it is "So I heard you phoned this person and threatened them etc" FALSE
I could actually sue the SSPX over what they have done to me.
They know it takes money to hire legal representation and that is why they felt secure in getting away with it.
All my evidence is provided by these people themselves and their own actions condemn them.
Who are my witnesses to this? They themselves are my witnesses and evidence.
I saw their vicious cat fights when half the chapel left to join the resistance.
I saw the contempt that dwells inside them when the mask fell off.
I saw them resort to lies manipulation and pressurizing priests.
Some of them thought it was a good idea to complain and get a newly constructed resistance chapel shut down on fire safety grounds despite it taking money to build. They wanted the people who left to have no choice but to come grovelling back.
They do the same to me. They want me to self censor and cover up what they did to me so that if I question anything they can collectively pull strings to get me banned even if I do nothing.
Why do I have to be the one doing all the reaching out to my former abusers?
Why am I the one making the phone calls and emails. They claim to be the catholics so why dont they try save my soul?
Why am I doing all the work and getting the door slammed in my face and ridicule every time from these frauds.
Why do I have to appeal to the religion to get them to lift their boycott of me so that I can go to church without being banned for practicing the religion. The only reason I contact people is because of this very pressure they put on priests to ban me for life without any opportunity to return thus condemning me to hell. And for what, sending a text with the F off word in it? To someone who ranted at me over the phone with anger and threats.
You try to destroy peoples lives then claim you are shocked when they get angry and rebuke you?
Bullies who scream in agony as they hit their victim? Typical leftist tactics from catholic hypocrites.
I know I will be banned but my resentment will continue for the rest of my life.
There is no way back to the church because some pharisees obstruct me.
Fair enough. Your peers mean more than my soul.
My contempt is wrong yet your contempt is virtuous? Why? Because Im the scapegoat?
Get real. I wont tolerate the life of misery and persecution the church offers to me.
I will live my life and be happy and I will remove negative influences from my life and that means Catholics.
Who needs that poison in their life. What have they got to offer but hate and misery.
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soulguard?
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soulguard?
I type the following in the most serious mood.
I know a ban is inevitable, but I voiced my side of the story in the form of questions my enemies wont dare to answer.
As a result of this ban, and the boycott from all bigoted parishioners, I will walk away from the catholic faith,
never to return, never to make any more heroic efforts to reach out to bigots against me.
I will sin whenever I feel like, vote against the church in referendums and elections.
I will blacken the name of all who uphold the sspx amongst my circles as you did to me.
I will do this and much more, until my pain is cured by seeing my retribution fall on your heads.
How dare I be thrown out of the catholic church. How dare you people put me through this ordeal.
How dare you boycott me. How dare you refuse to dignify me with an apology.
Yes you will press that button, and cite my posts as reason.
But the true reason is that what I report opens a can of worms and I was correct to state that Im the scapegoat.
I should have called myself "Victim of Bigots".
Go ahead and press that button if you wish to silence a victim, yet know that in doing so you are terminating my only way to see a miraculous apology from those bigots who persecuted me, which is the only way to save my soul.
I cannot practice the religion unless they show repentance and unless they cease their politcal efforts to get me banned from the sspx for life. At present the priests dismiss their allegations for lack of evidence and falsehoods.
The priests know what the parishioners are like, and the parishioners presently make the priests lives miserable.
They have gone too far and gotten their own way for too long.
When they invoke Griego I am condemned for sure, that guy condemns me without investigation and I know it,
therefore I see no harm posting on this forum. Damned if I do damned if I dont.
What I say is important. If you press that button then that is the nail in the coffin of my efforts to solve the problem.
You want your chapel only for a select few? Fine. Push the button.
I will go to hell, but if ye cared about my soul none of this would have happened in the first place now would it?
I will expose those responsible in the end. Laugh while you can and forget about me.
I will break your hearts of stone in the future and inflict a scar that will haunt you.
Victims have a voice and I will make my voice heard in a way no one can censor.
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I guess I'll take that as a "yes".
I have nothing to do with the SSPX. Carry on if you wish.
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I type the following in the most serious mood.
I know a ban is inevitable, but I voiced my side of the story in the form of questions my enemies wont dare to answer.
As a result of this ban, and the boycott from all bigoted parishioners, I will walk away from the catholic faith,
never to return, never to make any more heroic efforts to reach out to bigots against me.
I will sin whenever I feel like, vote against the church in referendums and elections.
I will blacken the name of all who uphold the sspx amongst my circles as you did to me.
I will do this and much more, until my pain is cured by seeing my retribution fall on your heads.
How dare I be thrown out of the catholic church. How dare you people put me through this ordeal.
How dare you boycott me. How dare you refuse to dignify me with an apology.
Yes you will press that button, and cite my posts as reason.
But the true reason is that what I report opens a can of worms and I was correct to state that Im the scapegoat.
I should have called myself "Victim of Bigots".
Go ahead and press that button if you wish to silence a victim, yet know that in doing so you are terminating my only way to see a miraculous apology from those bigots who persecuted me, which is the only way to save my soul.
I cannot practice the religion unless they show repentance and unless they cease their politcal efforts to get me banned from the sspx for life. At present the priests dismiss their allegations for lack of evidence and falsehoods.
The priests know what the parishioners are like, and the parishioners presently make the priests lives miserable.
They have gone too far and gotten their own way for too long.
When they invoke Griego I am condemned for sure, that guy condemns me without investigation and I know it,
therefore I see no harm posting on this forum. Damned if I do damned if I dont.
What I say is important. If you press that button then that is the nail in the coffin of my efforts to solve the problem.
You want your chapel only for a select few? Fine. Push the button.
I will go to hell, but if ye cared about my soul none of this would have happened in the first place now would it?
I will expose those responsible in the end. Laugh while you can and forget about me.
I will break your hearts of stone in the future and inflict a scar that will haunt you.
Victims have a voice and I will make my voice heard in a way no one can censor.
You're always a Catholic from baptism. No one has thrown you out of the Catholic Church. You might feel abused by some Catholics, but you have to put things into perspective. The most important thing is that Jesus still loves you. As for the hurt, if you trust in Jesus Christ he will help you.
I have no idea what has happened to you, but you're obviously distraught. The fact you can't go to a Chapel of your choosing doesn't mean that you should feel like this. At this point, for your own soul, any good conservative Catholic parish or chapel should be of help.
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Hi Victim of the SSPX,
What kind of support are you looking for from this forum? I don't doubt anything your telling us but I would like to know how to help. Do you need prayers? Do you want someone to step forward who knows the situation to back up what your saying? Or do you just have the need to vent and get it out after going though all that?
Thanks
James
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Who cares what you think?
If this is some trad trying to assume the moral high ground, let me remind you that the Catholic church in the opinion of the entire world has lost it's claim to assuming the right to make declarations based on "moral certainty".
I am not a trad anymore, I was convinced that I should not be one anymore.
You could be me in a few years if you get an "Informative experience" on the nature of Catholics.
This was a post intended to shame people who tried to destroy a vulnerable person.
I knew I would get ad hominem attacks.
Why cant you answer the questions. Are you afraid to answer the questions?
Cat got your tongue? Are they too difficult? Do they require a bit of stepping down from the high horse of trad perfections?
I think the only thing you people worship is yourselves and I EXPECTED to be attacked.
I am laughing at your arrogance. You were not there, yet you KNOW I am wrong because I questioned Paradise.
Trouble in paradise is there? Nothing to see here. Just brush all our victims under the carpet.
As for contact, why dont you email me first because my settings allow members to email me.
And I dont care if you think it is calumny. I know what calumny is. That is accusing people in the wrong.
However I am in the right and I always was. Why do you think I went from a devout sspx trad to being an atheist?
I think you people had some role to play in my loss of faith and its time to OWN up and stop being in denial.
>> I am disgusted that your initial reaction is defensive and accusatory.
My initial reaction was to try and help you, while at the same time trying to protect those whom you unjustly are including in your hate filled rampage.
Whether you want help or not is up to you, but feeling hurt about something doesn't give you a license to detract and calumniate as you please.
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I will blacken the name of all who uphold the sspx amongst my circles as you did to me.
I will do this and much more, until my pain is cured by seeing my retribution fall on your heads.
Are you sure that retribution will cause your pain to go away, and that you'll be cured?
I'll offer prayers for you, and for those at the SSPX chapel that you attended.
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Nobody dares to answer my questions.
Go on.
More ad hominem attacks.
More empty platitudes.
More empty promises.
More empty virtue signals.
More evasiveness.
More obfuscation.
More blaming the victim.
I know you can do it... just remind yourself of all the times you people bullied this vulnerable person and he did not defend himself and convince yourself that he is the same way he used to be, and will take it all over again.
I know you can do it! Tap into that anti social narcissism from your empty unfulfilled lives and unleash it on your convenient victim at the moment.
Never mind the consequences.
There are no nutjobs in heaven, you know that for a fact.
Besides bullying him is fashionable and cool. Scapegoats exist for only one thing. Amirite lads?
Catholics are not exempt from pride and therefore can be just as despicable as any other human being. We all come from the same parents of Original Sin.
This situation has obviously spiraled out of hand because everyone involved feels justified by their own responses to it, including you. Maybe you made a mistake somewhere along the way too. Not saying you did, but prayerful self reflection will help.
Thinking back on the first time you attended the chapel, did you chat and visit with folks after Mass, or did you keep to yourself?
Were friendships built for any amount of time while you were attending there? If the answer is no, and you were only chosen at random to be the ‘Chapel Pincushion’ then consider yourself blessed. Christ Himself was falsely accused of the most wicked of offenses, and His true followers embraced being persecuted as well. ‘The servant is no greater than the Master’.
And if the answer is yes you did have friends, or even aquatintences, then maybe it would be best at this time to go to Mass (another chapel) and the Sacraments for Christ and your Salvation, and not for friendship. People of fallen human nature will fail you every time.
If the Saints had left the Church and abandoned Christ when people were mean to them, we wouldn’t have any Saints. You should read some of their autobiography’s. ALL of them suffered persecution (many at the hands of their authorities) and they offered it for HIM because they knew He suffered much worse and on their behalf.
Jesus suffered for you too. Don’t abandon Him because of others wicked fallen human nature. It’s not HIS fault.
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The way you speak about sspx chapels is not uncommon, unfortunately.
The people who take care of them seem to begin to think it is their chapel. They own it.
It is unfortunate, but sadly true.
I have had similar experiences. Did it stop me? No. I just learned to attend mass and leave. You don't really need to talk to anyone except, maybe, the priest, if you need a special blessing or sacrament.
And it is not a solely sspx problem, either. I have seen it at independent chapels run by a "board", too. They get big heads.
Just remember why you go to mass and go for that purpose only. Doesn't matter who else is there. Ignore them.
God bless you and help you find peace.
Don't let Satan win.
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The way you speak about sspx chapels is not uncommon, unfortunately.
The people who take care of them seem to begin to think it is their chapel. They own it.
It is unfortunate, but sadly true.
I have had similar experiences. Did it stop me? No. I just learned to attend mass and leave. You don't really need to talk to anyone except, maybe, the priest, if you need a special blessing or sacrament.
And it is not a solely sspx problem, either. I have seen it at independent chapels run by a "board", too. They get big heads.
Just remember why you go to mass and go for that purpose only. Doesn't matter who else is there. Ignore them.
God bless you and help you find peace.
Don't let Satan win.
I agree and obviously SSPX chapels are known worldwide to be attended by people who can be cruel, uncharitable, think theyre superior, eccentric, narcissistic, gossipy, manipulative political etc Everyone knows this is what SSPX are like and they only succeed in destroying their own reputation amongst the general public. On the one hand they feign devout piety, 5 mins later and they are bickering and trying to hurt each other with toxic razor sharp comments and gossip and trying to get authority figures to impose their own personal will on their enemies.
But the thing is that even though I dont have to talk to people at the chapel, as you suggest.
In fact I actually do, because they forced themselves into relevance in my life through lobbying the priests.
They have a weak crowd pleasing priest as the superior who they have thoroughly persuaded and to prevent people leaving griego marked me as to blame for everything even things that didnt happen, while giving them a free pass to do what they want to anybody. He did this because it was politically expedient even though it was unjust.
The whole situation forces me to try to amateurishly play politics with the pharisees in the chapel and persuade them that i will be malliable to their preferences and will even though i am disgusted with the lot of them.
I bought them all presents for easter and last xmas and they were like, o thanks very kind of you,
then next time they see me they are saying "that guys a total nutjob" and making calls to the superior and to menzigen to get them to ban me on grounds of being "unstable imbalanced etc"
To such people I have nothing but disgust and fear. Not only did they force themselves to be relevant, but they are intrinsically biased against me for reasons of a diagnosis which i can do nothing to nullify the stigma of.
Maybe they could have said i was imbalanced (love how they use psychiatric terminology of chemical pathology btw)
As if they were experts... back when i was obsessed with doing penance to try to convert a renegade religious with a massage business who i was convinced was going to hell and it was my duty to save because I knew.
I had my reasons for doing what i did and going to church every day and praying all the time.
I got nothing but contempt for it and i made a big effort and was despised for it.
I think they wanted me out of the chapel from day one and only looking for an excuse.
I think they done strategy and waited for their moment and picked it when fr walliez was about to leave the country.
Give the chapel a bad image to new comers with some weirdo there every day doing penance all the time and his stupid all night vigils and penance rosaries and office and things. Weirdo he was. He was not imitating saints he read about he was doing it because of a psychiatric illness. It was not to win grace to save souls it was because he was obsessed for immoral reasons.
He had to be a wolf in sheeps clothing just like the rest of us. being totally spiritual and abstaining from chapel politics and gossiup was too virtuous and we had to find some way to cut him down to size because he was not a political fanatic of our own particular slant on things and we need the attention not god not spiritual lifestyle not prayers not morality not nothing the attention has to be on us and we have to be the centre of attention because power over the chapel belongs to us because we know how to save souls and not this weirdo sick person tormenting himself with penances for something we deny is happening in the first place.
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Catholics are not exempt from pride and therefore can be just as despicable as any other human being. We all come from the same parents of Original Sin.
This situation has obviously spiraled out of hand because everyone involved feels justified by their own responses to it, including you. Maybe you made a mistake somewhere along the way too. Not saying you did, but prayerful self reflection will help.
Thinking back on the first time you attended the chapel, did you chat and visit with folks after Mass, or did you keep to yourself?
Were friendships built for any amount of time while you were attending there? If the answer is no, and you were only chosen at random to be the ‘Chapel Pincushion’ then consider yourself blessed. Christ Himself was falsely accused of the most wicked of offenses, and His true followers embraced being persecuted as well. ‘The servant is no greater than the Master’.
And if the answer is yes you did have friends, or even aquatintences, then maybe it would be best at this time to go to Mass (another chapel) and the Sacraments for Christ and your Salvation, and not for friendship. People of fallen human nature will fail you every time.
If the Saints had left the Church and abandoned Christ when people were mean to them, we wouldn’t have any Saints. You should read some of their autobiography’s. ALL of them suffered persecution (many at the hands of their authorities) and they offered it for HIM because they knew He suffered much worse and on their behalf.
Jesus suffered for you too. Don’t abandon Him because of others wicked fallen human nature. It’s not HIS fault.
Yes I did talk to everyone there and I did not know I was talking to wolves because I was fresh from the general public and nieve. I had too much empathy for people who were manipulative users and with some of the cruel contempt i got from certain people, not saying who but its obvious, i increased my efforts to win their approval and part of me believed it was my fault for their sins and i tried to get grace for people through ususual prayer routines etc. I could not understand the contempt i got and i dwelt in obsessive self criticism to discover an answer. But i should have seen these people for what they were and not believed the front they portray to the world. Not until i saw them destroy each other was it obvious. To this day i am still taken in by their false claims about themselves (parishioners only) and their front christian moral superiority, but i also have anger and resentment and rage which is how i defend myself from being used and taken in again.
But now i dont believe any of it and i think they are all imposters. If i did not have that and i submitted to their will and was charitable to everybody then i would immediately find that they destroy me all over again. I have righteous anger at them and i think they know it, or maybe theyre stupid about it and dont think i have any self interest, which is possible too.
Either way they made it impossibel for me to go to the only chapel in travel distance i can reach, and their lobbying made their opinion relevant, and they boycott me which means they are happy that they closed the door and condemned me to hell and made it impossible for me to go back even if the priest says i can, they go over his head.
The priests are getting attacked by these same parishioners and lobbiests and they are afraid of them, they are intimidated into silence. One priest who knows and witnessed the abuse i got told me "if i say anything itll make it 10 times worse".
I know that the new priests at the chapel are not cult like in their thinking and they are more in it for spiritual reasons and i think they are decent priests who want to save souls. I know they are disgusted by the bigots (their words not mine) and they know full well what these people are like. I have sympathy for the priests but not the obstructionist parishioners who hijacked the chapel
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but im probably going to be banned from sspx for posting on cathinfo anyway once griego sees that i did.
Which just proves the lobbying going on. If he wants to get letigous about it there are always recourse to groups that protect rights of people from discrimination such as the equality tribunal, there is also the option that i can share my story with victims advocacy groups and the media, or start my own youtube channel where i say what happened and use a proxy so i get 1st amendment protection for my speech. there are many ways i can play them at their own game. if i had money they would have got sued a long time ago but free legal aid wont cover cases as this. the legal system is somewhat rigged to preserve the interests of the status quo and wealthy, but that is changing and i wont shut up about it because i know public opinion would be on my side and any judge will destroy himself if he becomes a pawn of the catholic church which is hated.
so that closes this chapter of my life. another satistifed customer of the sspx.
ill recommend them to everyone... everyone who wants a life of misery that is.
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
Don't feed the beast!
I know this individual and he thrives of the attention that people, out of their charity, give him. The best thing for him is not to give him this attention, because he will only abuse it. Almost everyone in Irish tradition has long hard experience on this.
Ignore this advice at your peril!
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
Don't feed the beast!
I know this individual and he thrives of the attention that people, out of their charity, give him. The best thing for him is not to give him this attention, because he will only abuse it. Almost everyone in Irish tradition has long hard experience on this.
Ignore this advice at your peril!
O really. Because I never met anyone called John at the SSPX.
"Out of their charity" Don't make me laugh. SSPX have no charity.
"Long hard experience on this" This what? Someone getting persecuted by narcissistic lying bigots who lobby priests to do their dirty work for them?
So hard to say sorry you have to abuse the victim all over again.
Who might you be, faceless coward liar.
You've no leg to stand on and you see me as a threat because Im exposing what went on.
That's why you post. Trying to cover it all up.
Your'e under a fake name. I never met any john. Feel big do ya now that your'e on the internet?
I knew this would happen. I knew the bullies would see my post and attack from the safety of their computer.
Everyone knows who I am, but you will remain in the shadows like the devil, putting lies in people with impunity.
You and your gang of peers are cancer and everyone knows that. You hijacked the chapel and run it for the select few.
You've no right to tell people who should and shouldn't have access to the church.
And if this is who I think it is, Im not nearly finished with you. You hear me?
I will sort you out at my own convenience and I have big plans for you. Understand?
This is not over. Yeah I might be banned but so what. You cannot redeem your reputation because I will blacken it everywhere and amongst everyone I speak to, not just this forum. And from all the people I told, no one has sympathy for what you did.
All you complain of is hate mail, but you deserve hate mail for the ordeal you put someone through.
But I will not stop at hate mail, I will make you suffer in real life, just you watch.
Congratulate yourself on making a mortal enemy. Ill get you.
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I bet none of my former life destroyers can answer my list of questions at the start of this thread.
They will pretend these questions dont exist. Nevertheless the questions they cant answer are proof of their hypocrisy and conspiracy.
A few pharisees hijacked the chapel. No one can deny it. The same pharisees intimidate the priests in to silence with threats of invoking the district superior. That is why they get away with it. The district superior is a coward and corrupt Fr Griego, he lets them do what they want because he knows their loyalty to the sspx is fickle and they will leave, and because they are over a million in debt, he wont risk it.
I was only condemned because it was expedient. Sacrifice one sheep for many wolves. But the facts are on my side and my side alone.
Im not finished with those who inflicted this ordeal on me.
Yeah you read this. Wait and see what happens to you.
You will forget about it and then suddenly one day will be reminded.
And I will enjoy that day. I will treasure that retribution for the rest of my life.
You dont throw someone out of their own religion and get away with it. Not gonna happen.
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And yeah you get narky when you accuse me on the internet.
Say it in real life and youll see what happens to you.
Meet me in person. You all know where I live.
Your words will make your suffering worse when I repay what you done.
Make me angry and more determined. You always were possessed by your own arrogance and convinced no harm would befall you because you were well in with authority figures. But that can change. And their authority does not extend to the street.
If law wont convict you, street law will.
I never forgot about you and this isint over.
Go on laugh at this. You will pay in the end.
I will enjoy what I get done to you.
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I bet none of my former life destroyers can answer my list of questions at the start of this thread.
They will pretend these questions dont exist. Nevertheless the questions they cant answer are proof of their hypocrisy and conspiracy.
A few pharisees hijacked the chapel. No one can deny it. The same pharisees intimidate the priests in to silence with threats of invoking the district superior. That is why they get away with it. The district superior is a coward and corrupt Fr Griego, he lets them do what they want because he knows their loyalty to the sspx is fickle and they will leave, and because they are over a million in debt, he wont risk it.
I was only condemned because it was expedient. Sacrifice one sheep for many wolves. But the facts are on my side and my side alone.
Im not finished with those who inflicted this ordeal on me.
Yeah you read this. Wait and see what happens to you.
You will forget about it and then suddenly one day will be reminded.
And I will enjoy that day. I will treasure that retribution for the rest of my life.
You dont throw someone out of their own religion and get away with it. Not gonna happen.
You don't sound like someone who would pray and do sacrifices for others out of charity.
I wouldn't know you from a bar of soap, but seeing the hatred you came to spew here it is obvious you are only serving self.
Get over yourself, go to confession and save your soul.
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You don't sound like someone who would pray and do sacrifices for others out of charity.
I wouldn't know you from a bar of soap, but seeing the hatred you came to spew here it is obvious you are only serving self.
Get over yourself, go to confession and save your soul.
Youre wrong. I have turned to the dark side.
Im denied sacraments anyway. So that is what happens, people hate the church for denying them and change.
Their only hope was to stop obstructing my belief in catholicism and denying me the right to go to church.
Then I grew to have contempt for those who put me through and ordeal and lost my faith.
I dont even want the faith anymore. I dont follow moral restrictions anymore.
I will do anything to be able to live with myself and I cant stand the fact that these pigs did that to me.
Pigs is all they are and all they ever were. PIGS.
I am pissed off now. I want justice. Natural law justice.
I am turning into a differnt person now that I detoxified myself from religion.
They wont like justice when what goes around comes around.
They think theyre IT because they got the priest wrapped around their little finger with all the manipulation and seduction.
But the church is not reality. The time for words is over.
Its long past time they paid for their crimes and were exposed as the hypocrit cult they are.
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Youre wrong. I have turned to the dark side.
Im denied sacraments anyway. So that is what happens, people hate the church for denying them and change.
Their only hope was to stop obstructing my belief in catholicism and denying me the right to go to church.
Then I grew to have contempt for those who put me through and ordeal and lost my faith.
I dont even want the faith anymore. I dont follow moral restrictions anymore.
I will do anything to be able to live with myself and I cant stand the fact that these pigs did that to me.
Pigs is all they are and all they ever were. PIGS.
I am pissed off now. I want justice. Natural law justice.
I am turning into a differnt person now that I detoxified myself from religion.
They wont like justice when what goes around comes around.
They think theyre IT because they got the priest wrapped around their little finger with all the manipulation and seduction.
But the church is not reality. The time for words is over.
Its long past time they paid for their crimes and were exposed as the hypocrit cult they are.
No you are wrong.
If ever you had the faith, you would not have lost it unless through your own fault.
God will never abandon us unless we abandon him first.
It's as simple as that. The best place for you to start is by looking in the mirror.
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No you are wrong.
If ever you had the faith, you would not have lost it unless through your own fault.
God will never abandon us unless we abandon him first.
It's as simple as that. The best place for you to start is by looking in the mirror.
No YOU are wrong.
Your religion is nothing but DELUSION from a warped Jєωιѕн cult.
Apply your argument to the hundreds of millions of people who dont practice their religion.
Maybe the acts of your priests and parishioners (Cough Child rape) (Cough workhouses) (Cough corruption) (Cough hypocrisy coverups) had something to do with it.
You damn catholics with your own actions.
By obstructing my ability to go to church they bring retribution on themselves.
You do not wound someone that deeply and rob them of religion and then expect them to do nothing.
I am done being humble and penitent. I only got abused for being humility.
I got bigots running the chapel who shut the door to God in my face.
Guess who that leaves as the alternative according to you.
I dont believe in your stupid God vs Devil mantra delusions anymore.
I believe in natural law.
Even if I post like this, my questions still are proof of hypocrisy and cover up.
No one can answer my questions. They resort to smearing the victim.
Well I dont care about your smearing.
I knew I had no chance of getting back in. Thats why I posted on this forum. To expose them.
I will be banned from this forum and the sspx. They will laugh and say it is well.
But what they did was monstrous injustice and I will repay it.
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No YOU are wrong.
Your religion is nothing but DELUSION from a warped Jєωιѕн cult.
Apply your argument to the hundreds of millions of people who dont practice their religion.
Maybe the acts of your priests and parishioners (Cough Child rape) (Cough workhouses) (Cough corruption) (Cough hypocrisy coverups) had something to do with it.
You damn catholics with your own actions.
By obstructing my ability to go to church they bring retribution on themselves.
You do not wound someone that deeply and rob them of religion and then expect them to do nothing.
I am done being humble and penitent. I only got abused for being humility.
I got bigots running the chapel who shut the door to God in my face.
Guess who that leaves as the alternative according to you.
I dont believe in your stupid God vs Devil mantra delusions anymore.
I believe in natural law.
Even if I post like this, my questions still are proof of hypocrisy and cover up.
No one can answer my questions. They resort to smearing the victim.
Well I dont care about your smearing.
I knew I had no chance of getting back in. Thats why I posted on this forum. To expose them.
I will be banned from this forum and the sspx. They will laugh and say it is well.
But what they did was monstrous injustice and I will repay it.
>> I got bigots running the chapel who shut the door to God in my face. Guess who that leaves as the alternative according to you.
Nobody can shut the door to God in your face, only you can do to yourself. I would rather say it was the devil who opened the exit door for you and you like a fool walked out.
>> But what they did was monstrous injustice and I will repay it.
You will repay nothing of the sort. All you will ever be allowed to repay is the punishment due to your own sins.
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>> I got bigots running the chapel who shut the door to God in my face. Guess who that leaves as the alternative according to you.
Nobody can shut the door to God in your face, only you can do to yourself. I would rather say it was the devil who opened the exit door for you and you like a fool walked out.
>> But what they did was monstrous injustice and I will repay it.
You will repay nothing of the sort. All you will ever be allowed to repay is the punishment due to your own sins.
Yeah there you have it. The "devil" opened the exit door. He had help from his snakes in the chapel.
I changed completely after I lost my faith, and I see catholicism as a toxic delusion lifestyle of misery.
What are you going to do to save my soul, if I am worth saving that is.
Because the way I understand it, the parishioners think I am not worth saving, they dont give a damn.
Actually they do give a damn, to be precise that "Damn" is all they give.
I was very pious and spiritual at one time. But my crime in natural law which supercedes catholic law, my crime is that I was vulnerable, and vulnerability is ALWAYS attacked.
If you want to go to the sspx, you better be a wolf and not a sheep.
Some christians theyre supposed to be. Theyre the furthest thing from jesus. Pharisess.
These people live empty bitter lives of paranoia and conspiracy, and they feed on gossip and exalting their obscure political view and chapel manipulation and chapel politics. It is what they live for. They live for that adulation of their peers and the false front of piety when they are hypocrites, superficial, wolves in sheep clothing. I think my main enemies were frustrated because they were single into their 40s, and as for the married ones, Im sure some of that bitterness comes from the fact their wives never have an orgasm or are like a corpse in bed. Im sure that after they blackmail their spouse into the act that part of them wonders if she will report them for rape. Thats what I think of the catholic lifestyle. Misery. Unbridled Misery while they live in a straitjacket of polished manners and etiquette while on the inside they are bitter resentful hatefilled bigots who think theyre superior and heap contempt on everyone not of their own angle. Thats why theyre all single. No one would go near them with a ten foot pole. Twisted freaks absorbed in their own delusions. Society rejects them and their unjustified smug arrogance, and society rejects their church of atrocity, and no one dignifies their false claims with the time of day anymore.
They done that to themselves. They had absolute power and they screwed up their own monopoly.
The same kind of people had absolute power over me one time and look how I rightfully hate them now.
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3 year ban from the sspx so far. when i went back I got ridiculed out of it, and they lobbied the superior to ban me for no reason other than that i got a diagnosis. That was their sole reason. I caused nothing when i went back.
I treated them well. They spit in my face for it.
hence I contempt religion now. If I cant have it i will hate it for its hypocrisy.
Worthless parasites living on the good will of vulnerable people.
I went there nieve and tried my best, I tried 1000 times harder than all the slimey pharisees in there.
Now I regret my former piety. I see it as the very thing you people used to abuse me with.
I never defended myself before while going there. They made me hate myself with their abuse.
I internalized their contempt of my life. Then I woke up and my hate keeps me alive and protects me from their destructive delusional beliefs. If I had no hate I would be dead, and you people wouldnt care. You would blame it on the devil, but YOU are the only devil here. Pharisees cold blooded with hearts of venom and stone. You are the only devils in the world, no matter what religion or group you hijack or infest. I know the truth.
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What are you going to do to save my soul, if I am worth saving that is.
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There is nothing anyone can do for you unless you yourself want to save your soul. So stop blaming others and make up your own mind.
Do you want to save your soul ?
If yes, pull up your socks and get on with it.
I not, you'll be hating and frothing for the rest of eternity... in the company of all those who made the same choice as you.
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There is nothing anyone can do unless you yourself want to save your soul. So stop blaming others and make up your own mind.
Do you want to save your soul ?
If yes, pull up your socks and get on with it.
I not, you'll be hating and frothing for the rest of eternity... in the company of all those who made the same choice as you.
Did you actually read this thread, or the question list I posted?
I cant go back because a gang of pharisees hijacked the chapel and prevent me from access to it.
If none of them read cathinfo, they would remember me as the timid spiritual nice person eccentric who was obsessed with penance and solitude and vigils and rubbish like this.
I went back and they lobbied the superior saying people with disabilities should not be allowed in the chapel.
Before this they were saying lots of rubbish lying allegations to the superior.
They have him wrapped around their baby finger. He is eating out of their hand. They control the purse.
I will be banned for expediency.
I never spoke like this until I was banned. Everyone knows that.
I was full of charity, they spit on me for it. I was committed to prayer, they spit on me for it.
I was full of empathy for people, they spit on me for it. I did all they asked, they spit on me for it.
I done many pious things, I was spit on for them all.
No one recognized my pain. They did not dignify me with the right to not suffer.
They put unfair conditions on me and pushed me out on the quiet and covered it up because I was not a loyalist.
All I was interested in was saying the maximum amount of prayers.
I since turned to the dark side. For reasons that each time I reached out in friendship to them they spit on me.
WELL now it is time for me to spit on your society, and on your whole vain religion.
My experience of life has been poisoned enough with your contempt of my dignity
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Did you actually read this thread, or the question list I posted?
I cant go back because a gang of pharisees hijacked the chapel and prevent me from access to it.
If none of them read cathinfo, they would remember me as the timid spiritual nice person eccentric who was obsessed with penance and solitude and vigils and rubbish like this.
I went back and they lobbied the superior saying people with disabilities should not be allowed in the chapel.
Before this they were saying lots of rubbish lying allegations to the superior.
They have him wrapped around their baby finger. He is eating out of their hand. They control the purse.
I will be banned for expediency.
I never spoke like this until I was banned. Everyone knows that.
I was full of charity, they spit on me for it. I was committed to prayer, they spit on me for it.
I was full of empathy for people, they spit on me for it. I did all they asked, they spit on me for it.
I done many pious things, I was spit on for them all.
No one recognized my pain. They did not dignify me with the right to not suffer.
They put unfair conditions on me and pushed me out on the quiet and covered it up because I was not a loyalist.
All I was interested in was saying the maximum amount of prayers.
I since turned to the dark side. For reasons that each time I reached out in friendship to them they spit on me.
WELL now it is time for me to spit on your society, and on your whole vain religion.
My experience of life has been poisoned enough with your contempt of my dignity
Yes, I read your long list of accusations. But all I saw was accusations against other people. I did not see any accusation against yourself, or against God. So why are the two of you having a problem with each other?
In fact, you are the fool for letting these "bigots" come between you and God. You took the bait and ran with it.
If you really want to have your revenge on these "bigots", let them go to hell without you. Why are you so keen on joining them?
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Yes, I read your long list of accusations. But all I saw was accusations against other people. I did not see any accusation against yourself, or against God. So why are the two of you having a problem with each other?
In fact, you are the fool for letting these "bigots" come between you and God. You took the bait and ran with it.
If you really want to have your revenge on these "bigots", let them go to hell without you. Why are you so keen on joining them?
It is the only chapel in travel distance, i cant go novus ordo, and the bible says eucharist and sacraments or else no heaven.
Yet BIGOTS lobby the superior if i go to church. They deserve to be exposed. They are in denial and there is a cover up.
Dont try shift the blame onto me. If I was left unmolested by these BIGOTS I would be going to church regular.
But they get in my way so I entertain the dark side and the delusions of catholicism wore off.
The blindfold of ideology has come off. I am free now.
Everytime I reached out to them they spit on me. I will contempt their whole religion in return.
I wont let myself be taken advantage of by these tyrants ever again. My faith was the door through which they did me harm.
My hate is for self preservation. I also want justice. I wont live with myself until I get justice.
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It is the only chapel in travel distance, i cant go novus ordo, and the bible says eucharist and sacraments or else no heaven.
Yet BIGOTS lobby the superior if i go to church. They deserve to be exposed. They are in denial and there is a cover up.
Dont try shift the blame onto me. If I was left unmolested by these BIGOTS I would be going to church regular.
But they get in my way so I entertain the dark side and the delusions of catholicism wore off.
The blindfold of ideology has come off. I am free now.
Everytime I reached out to them they spit on me. I will contempt their whole religion in return.
No, the Church teaches all you need is sanctifying grace to get to heaven.
You were baptized, so you received sanctifying grace back then. If you lost that sanctifying grace (and it looks like you have) then you can get it back by making a good confession.
All you need for a good confession is true sorrow for your sins and a valid priest.
True sorrow is something only you can supply, valid priests there are still many. If your local priest refuses to hear your confession (which I doubt), find another one. If you can't find one, I will find you one. But I can guarantee you that there are still valid priests who will travel to the other side of the world to hear your confession.
You see, the ball is in your camp. You decide, and no one else.
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No, the Church teaches all you need is sanctifying grace to get to heaven.
You were baptized, so you received sanctifying grace back then. If you lost that sanctifying grace (and it looks like you have) then you can get it back by making a good confession.
All you need for a good confession is true sorrow for your sins and a valid priest.
True sorrow is something only you can supply, valid priests there are still many. If your local priest refuses to hear your confession (which I doubt), find another one. If you can't find one, I will find you one. But I can guarantee you that there are still valid priests who will travel to the other side of the world to hear your confession.
You see, the ball is in your camp. You decide, and no one else.
You are denying the facts on the ground.
If I go back they pressurize mr griego to ban me, and he will, if he hasent already.
They have him seduced. There are too many liars and I am outnumbered by bigots.
I will never be accepted there because they are advesarial by nature and they bite people as a hobby.
They live for the conflict with other catholics. They know my diagnosis is stigma and it is dishonorable to them.
They use it as a vulnerability. The way it is in that sspx is attack or be attacked.
They are vipers. One does not survive in there unless they are likewise a viper.
That is why they deserve contempt. In a way it helps me fit in.
My excessive inferiority complex humility from my previous piety was the door they used to abuse me with impuntiy.
I never defended myself before. That was my flaw. I should have been a wolf and manipulator and lobbiest and politician.
I should have worked the crowd using psychological manipulation tactics to ensure the security of my place at the chapel.
I didnt bother. I prayed and did penances. Look where it got me. Thrown out of my own religion permanently.
Denied the right to go back to it. So dont tell me the ball is in my court. Dont tell me to pray or repent.
It was those very things that got me expelled in the first place by people who did neither.
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You are denying the facts on the ground.
If I go back they pressurize mr griego to ban me, and he will, if he hasent already.
They have him seduced. There are too many liars and I am outnumbered by bigots.
I will never be accepted there because they are advesarial by nature and they bite people as a hobby.
They live for the conflict with other catholics. They know my diagnosis is stigma and it is dishonorable to them.
They use it as a vulnerability. The way it is in that sspx is attack or be attacked.
They are vipers. One does not survive in there unless they are likewise a viper.
That is why they deserve contempt. In a way it helps me fit in.
My excessive inferiority complex humility from my previous piety was the door they used to abuse me with impuntiy.
I never defended myself before. That was my flaw. I should have been a wolf and manipulator and lobbiest and politician.
I should have worked the crowd using psychological manipulation tactics to ensure the security of my place at the chapel.
I didnt bother. I prayed and did penances. Look where it got me. Thrown out of my own religion permanently.
Denied the right to go back to it. So dont tell me the ball is in my court. Dont tell me to pray or repent.
It was those very things that got me expelled in the first place by people who did neither.
People can throw you out of a chapel, or out of a school, or out of a chess club, but nobody can throw you out of your religion, not even the devil himself.
If you're no longer welcome in your local chapel for unjust reasons, shake the dust off your feet and call yourself blessed.
I know there's a priest not far from you who traveled to the other side of the world (literally, I am in New Zealand!) to hear my confession. I am sure he would be more than happy to travel a few miles down the road to visit you too. All you have to do is ask him, and be nice to him.
So, yes, the ball is in your court. Would you like a visit from a Traditional Catholic priests who does care about you? Or would you rather keep hitting your head against a brick wall at the local SSPX?
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People can throw you out of a chapel, or out of a school, or out of a chess club, but nobody can throw you out of your religion, not even the devil himself.
If you're no longer welcome in your local chapel for unjust reasons, shake the dust off your feet and call yourself blessed.
I know there's a priest not far from you who traveled to the other side of the world (literally, I am in New Zealand!) to hear my confession. I am sure he would be more than happy to travel a few miles down the road to visit you too. All you have to do is ask him, and be nice to him.
So, yes, the ball is in your court. Would you like a visit from a Traditional Catholic priests who does care about you? Or would you rather keep hitting your head against a brick wall at the local SSPX?
What makes you think I want a "Confession". Why does he have a right to hear my secrets.
He is fallible and human and not superior to me. You are projecting your own confession habit onto me.
It is not the solution to everything. Confession alone once every few months is not enough to sustain a persons faith.
They need a church to go to, sermons, eucharist, other sacraments, community.
You wont admit that I am polarized against the religion because of the treatment I got.
You claim I lack knowledge on the religion. But I used to be one of you.
I know that in your theology I dont even need confession, I can be saved by an act of contrition.
But you are not being realistic. Why should I be contrite for my infractions of catholic laws.
Catholics dont even follow their own laws. Why should I go back to humiliation and grovelling a god while other stone cold people use that very humility to persecute me. It wont work in real life.
I wont apologize anymore for being human. I am an animal whose only true duty is to his genes.
I have another philosophy now. I wont be guilt tripped into a rabbit hole of abstractions and delusions because it leaves me defencelesss against the relentless attacks of the mob in the chapel.
Why dont you address these phariseeical hypocrites who stole the chapel.
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What makes you think I want a "Confession". Why does he have a right to hear my secrets.
He is fallible and human and not superior to me. You are projecting your own confession habit onto me.
It is not the solution to everything. Confession alone once every few months is not enough to sustain a persons faith.
They need a church to go to, sermons, eucharist, other sacraments, community.
You wont admit that I am polarized against the religion because of the treatment I got.
You claim I lack knowledge on the religion. But I used to be one of you.
I know that in your theology I dont even need confession, I can be saved by an act of contrition.
But you are not being realistic. Why should I be contrite for my infractions of catholic laws.
Catholics dont even follow their own laws. Why should I go back to humiliation and grovelling a god while other stone cold people use that very humility to persecute me. It wont work in real life.
I wont apologize anymore for being human. I am an animal whose only true duty is to his genes.
I have another philosophy now. I wont be guilt tripped into a rabbit hole of abstractions and delusions because it leaves me defencelesss against the relentless attacks of the mob in the chapel.
Why dont you address these phariseeical hypocrites who stole the chapel.
>> What makes you think I want a "Confession".
I don't know whether you want one, but I do know you need one.
>> Why does he have a right to hear my secrets.
I would not exactly call it a right to listen to your sins, it's more like taking a bath in a sewer! But it is your right as a Catholic to get yourself cleaned up.
>> It is not the solution to everything.
It's not the end of every solution, but is certainly is the start to all solutions.
>> Confession alone once every few months is not enough to sustain a persons faith.
So far it's worked for me and my family. And it seems to be working well for many others too.
>> They need a church to go to, sermons, eucharist, other sacraments, community.
Given that you're not getting it at the local SSPX, why don't you look for it elsewhere? Ask and you shall receive.
>> You wont admit that I am polarized against the religion because of the treatment I got.
I admit it, as it's rather obvious. But that doesn't mean that it's the solution to your problem.
>> You claim I lack knowledge on the religion. But I used to be one of you. I know that in your theology I dont even need confession, I can be saved by an act of contrition. But you are not being realistic. Why should I be contrite for my infractions of catholic laws.
You've answered your own question. You know everything you need to know, you just refuse to do it.
>> Catholics dont even follow their own laws.
True, many Catholics don't. But neither do you.
>> Why should I go back to humiliation and grovelling a god while other stone cold people use that very humility to persecute me.
Oh yes, you will go back and "grovel", either here on earth for a few minutes or in hell for the rest of eternity. But you will bend your knee (even if you call it groveling).
>> Why dont you address these phariseeical hypocrites who stole the chapel.
Because I don't know what happened there, and if what you say is true there is nothing I can do about it. There's hypocrites everywhere, especially among the atheist you're so keen to join. And in case you haven't noticed yet, you are very quickly becoming what you despise.
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>> What makes you think I want a "Confession".
I don't know whether you want one, but I do know you need one.
>> Why does he have a right to hear my secrets.
I would not exactly call it a right to listen to your sins, it's more like taking a bath in a sewer! But it is your right as a Catholic to get yourself cleaned up.
>> It is not the solution to everything.
It's not the end of every solution, but is certainly is the start to all solutions.
>> Confession alone once every few months is not enough to sustain a persons faith.
So far it's worked for me and my family. And it seems to be working well for many others too.
>> They need a church to go to, sermons, eucharist, other sacraments, community.
Given that you're not getting it at the local SSPX, why don't you look for it elsewhere? Ask and you shall receive.
>> You wont admit that I am polarized against the religion because of the treatment I got.
I admit it, as it's rather obvious. But that doesn't mean that it's the solution to your problem.
>> You claim I lack knowledge on the religion. But I used to be one of you. I know that in your theology I dont even need confession, I can be saved by an act of contrition. But you are not being realistic. Why should I be contrite for my infractions of catholic laws.
You've answered your own question. You know everything you need to know, you just refuse to do it.
>> Catholics dont even follow their own laws.
True, many Catholics don't. But neither do you.
>> Why should I go back to humiliation and grovelling a god while other stone cold people use that very humility to persecute me.
Oh yes, you will go back and "grovel", either here on earth for a few minutes or in hell for the rest of eternity. But you will bend your knee (even if you call it groveling).
>> Why dont you address these phariseeical hypocrites who stole the chapel.
Because I don't know what happened there, and if what you say is true there is nothing I can do about it. There's hypocrites everywhere, especially among the atheist you're so keen to join. And in case you haven't noticed yet, you are very quickly becoming what you despise.
You are pathologizing my dissent from catholic ideology and imposing a punishment of humiliating myself before an authority figure of that church. If I dont submit to said authority figure, your argument implies that my complaints are false. You distilled nothing from my posts other than I should go to confession. I should just get back in line, hush up, and suffer in silence. And if the next chapel I go to gets taken from me, do the same... and the next, and the next, and on and on, a wandering drifting christian, struggling in vain against impossible odds to practice a religion that consistently slams doors in his face. Yet you claim your god is truth, so I ought to admit the truth, and the truth is that this church disowned me and I am a scapegoat orphan from an abusive community, and it is the same in all valid churches, the same atmosphere exists there. When will the persecution end. Why must I suffer in silence. That is ridiculous.
This far no further is what I should say. They stole my local chapel. That is intolerable.
The same mice will infest other chapels and steal them also. This far no further.
I have a right to go and what they wrongfully do is impose a de facto excommunication on me through the hecklers veto.
No one should let them away with it. But then again no one takes my side because Im worthless because of a diagnosis and people like me carry stigma in society therefore the chapel gets a bad image if Im there. So no one thinks its profitable for their society if I go there. Psychiatry is more powerful than god. Bigotry destroys and corrupts.
Instead of pathologizing my dissent from the supposed impression that all is perfect in paradise, which no one should believe, and which everyone should doubt because they know what they themselves and sspx parishes are prone to,
you should pathologize the sspx with your same spiritual puritanism and not expect victims to suffer in silence, because your policy of pray and do nothing practical, and tell the victims to hush and confess, covers up the problems in the church and it is a cowardly approach that ignores festering problems and leads to even more victims and a trail of destruction.
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You are pathologizing my dissent from catholic ideology and imposing a punishment of humiliating myself before an authority figure of that church. If I dont submit to said authority figure, your argument implies that my complaints are false. You distilled nothing from my posts other than I should go to confession. I should just get back in line, hush up, and suffer in silence. And if the next chapel I go to gets taken from me, do the same... and the next, and the next, and on and on, a wandering drifting christian, struggling in vain against impossible odds to practice a religion that consistently slams doors in his face. Yet you claim your god is truth, so I ought to admit the truth, and the truth is that this church disowned me and I am a scapegoat orphan from an abusive community, and it is the same in all valid churches, the same atmosphere exists there. When will the persecution end. Why must I suffer in silence. That is ridiculous.
This far no further is what I should say. They stole my local chapel. That is intolerable.
The same mice will infest other chapels and steal them also. This far no further.
I have a right to go and what they wrongfully do is impose a de facto excommunication on me through the hecklers veto.
No one should let them away with it. But then again no one takes my side because Im worthless because of a diagnosis and people like me carry stigma in society therefore the chapel gets a bad image if Im there. So no one thinks its profitable for their society if I go there. Psychiatry is more powerful than god. Bigotry destroys and corrupts.
Instead of pathologizing my dissent from the supposed impression that all is perfect in paradise, which no one should believe, and which everyone should doubt because they know what they themselves and sspx parishes are prone to,
you should pathologize the sspx with your same spiritual puritanism and not expect victims to suffer in silence, because your policy of pray and do nothing practical, and tell the victims to hush and confess, covers up the problems in the church and it is a cowardly approach that ignores festering problems and leads to even more victims and a trail of destruction.
No, I am telling you to move on.
You have an offer of people praying for you.
You have an offer of people wanting to talk to you.
You have an offer of a priest visiting you and helping you with the sacraments.
Stop moaning about what others have done to you and move on with your life. Do you think you're the only person that suffered injustice? So what? Leave revenge up to God and make sure you don't become like "one of them" yourself.
I have nothing else to offer you. Take the help that's been offered, or leave it.
You're still welcome to contact me through email, but other than that, I won't give you any more publicity.
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No, I am telling you to move on.
You have an offer of people praying for you.
You have an offer of people wanting to talk to you.
You have an offer of a priest visiting you and helping you with the sacraments.
Stop moaning about what others have done to you and move on with your life. Do you think you're the only person that suffered injustice? So what? Leave revenge up to God and make sure you don't become like "one of them" yourself.
I have nothing else to offer you. Take the help that's been offered, or leave it.
You're still welcome to contact me through email, but other than that, I won't give you any more publicity.
Do you ever actually deal with problems head on? Or are you evasive on this issue because you weighed up the strength differential between 1 hijackers 2 individual victim, and are telling me to be silent while telling them nothing.
Just walk away? It is MY church just as much as it is theirs. I OWN my own personal dignity, and I will not let this affront to my dignity as a human being go down in history as an unchallenged walk over. I will not do so because I have to compete in life as everyone else does, and I will not let the psychological scar ( which you would persuade me to let be reafflicted again and again) tell me that in the face of such disgusting conspirators who inflicted much hurt on me that I should be silent and walk away and say nothing to no one. Now you even resent that I got some publicity and try to claim it as something you bestowed, when it was ME who started this thread and MY posts that provided substance to it.
There never was any substance to your one size fits all fake charity was there.
Charity is an aspect of God, so is Justice. God is a union of all his aspects. You want me to have one without the other, yet you do not truly give me Charity therefore you are not giving me justice either.
If I want Justice it is to my credit, despite what you claim.
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In conclusion: Samuel wants me to be quiet, say nothing, walk away.
Basically brush it all under the rug and let them get away with hijacking the chapel and persecuting disabled people.
You know what will happen samuel? This will all happen again to someone else, and maybe they wont be so lucky.
Maybe they really will walk away, from the church, and the pharisees will rub their hands with glee and be glad that another weirdo is also gone... to hell that is... but they can get comfortable owning the chapel so who cares.
At least I, due to my previous extreme piety, consistently reach out to people.
But if they spit in my face, then they spit in my face, and I should defend myself.
If I suffer in silence in humility I am betraying my dignity as a man who has a duty to himself.
I will not go back to my penetential slave abject humble ways.
Again I retain my resentment because it reinforces my sense of self worth and I need it.
And IT leads to my defending myself. I am right to do it.
Whoever says Im not is obfuscating the issue with sophistry and unreasonable puritanism applied to me but not anyone else.
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Oh and btw Samuel, dont give in to the temptation of your vanity that tells you that you solved the puzzle with a few comments on a forum. You did not. I got the exact same empty platitudes and standard unworkable theological puritanism answers ( correct in theology but impossible in practice - AND double standards, perfection demanded of me and not of others),
from people who never bothered their backside to do anything about an impossible lock out of the chapel.
If I say I need the chapel to be catholic, then I NEED it and I dont need to explain the details why.
I suspect the reason that unreasonable theological purity is demanded of me is because of my low status due to being a stigmatized diagnosed person. If this happened to someone who was not white, was female, or otherwise more valuable than me by default, then you would not put unworkable solutions on them.
See you have no solutions. Your whole argument was "Chillax bro".
You have no solution for me. You dont see that your theological straitjacket perceptions where all things revolve around the practice of the virtues and the world is in sync with virtue in a system of perfect justice... is a delusion.
I can be as virtuous as I want, but unless my rights are set in stone and defended then my virtue is destroyed.
Virtuous people are also vulnerable because they are humble, and at the same time impressionable and subject to human weaknesses. What needs to happen is the conversion and confronting of the pharisees.
Your own bible says to go in search of the 1 sheep that was straying and leave the 99 behind.
Yet you tell that one sheep, in a lazy way, requiring no more effort than a forum post, to suck it up, be silent, and sweep it under the rug, thus creating a time bomb either in the chapel if I attend it, or in my own psyche where I will eventually tire of being so humble in the face of such disgusting individuals because my nature will rebel against the persecution.
You are essentially saying that I need to totally submit myself to abstractions, the abstract notions of theology and be perfectly humble and in union with theology to obtain "salvation", but you require of me a perfection that not even the saints have mastered. You place me in an apocalyptic predicament with no where to go and with persecution on all fronts.
You require me to somehow achieve transcendental self mastery from a beginning of nothing but my own "imprudent" past devotional experiences and newcomers knowledge of trad catholicism, in order to win your argument.
You sophist. You and your non sequitars and fallacies and philosophical idealistic fantasies and exact specifications for what I should do and not do. Cowardice in the face of injustice.
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Samuel,
I did try to warn you!
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Share this with SSPX members in Ireland
They are familiar with this case but some are intimidated into silence amidst a cover up.
I want everyone to know I resent what they done.
The following should be sent to those involved.
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I'm totally lost as to what you and the influential chapel parishioners want me to say in order to be treated as if I have a right to go to Mass and Sacraments.
I already explained numerous times that your peers are trying to illegally get me banned even if I do nothing wrong, and they do this by lobbying priests.
But you don't care.
None of you do.
So what exactly am I supposed to do or say in order to get treated like I have a right to be there? Can you answer that question??
All you people do is call me "Nutjob" and then give me the silent boycott treatment.
Question 1:
So what exactly do you expect me to conclude or say or do?
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Am I right that you heap contempt upon vulnerable disabled people for the reasons I have outlined in my various allegations which contain many obvious facts which are also stated by others?
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Was I right all along?
It looks as if I was right, and by calling me "Nutjob" names and then boycotting me after you make it impossible for me to practice my religion now that is the only impression you people give me.
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How can you call yourself a follower of Jesus if you wont give people the dignity of a response?
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If I was wrong about your society, which I doubt, then why cant you enlighten me as to why my allegations are incorrect?
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Is it because I am not worth saving because I am disabled? Was I in fact right all along?
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And why should people submit to parishioners who treat their souls with contempt?
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And if you are all the pinnacle of sanctity and can do no wrong, then why do you have no concern for my soul? And why actively try to expel me from the church?
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And why polarize me against it?
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Does Jesus want to save my soul or not?
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And why were many of you bullying a person who had a history of self harm in a cruel manner?
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And why did you not stop once he started to show suicidal tendencies?
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And why did you not think he should have contact with the church during that time in order to prevent his death?
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And why did you ridicule him with names like "nutjob" when he returned?
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And why did you try to get him expelled when he went back through complaints to Menzigen and the District superior?
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And what exactly could you complain about other than the situation that you think mentally ill people have no right to be in the church and should be banned for that sole reason?
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And how are you people so successful in manipulating Fr Griego to act on behalf of your bigotry against disabled people?
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And how were you able to coax Fr Griego into covering up the ordeals of bullying and emotional abuse that a vulnerable person suffered while attending Corpus Christi?
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And why does none of these legitimate complaints register on your conscience?
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Is it because I have no value and my soul is worthless?
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Do you refuse to care because as a disabled person No one should care about me and I don't even have a right to be in a Catholic church?
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And what exactly am I supposed to apologized for which initiated my ban in the first place?
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And what exactly is the words of this apology supposed to refer to and state?
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And what was i banned for?
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And why do I have no right to access the church for Mass and Sacraments?
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And if some infraction of church law took place why is it not forgiven?
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And is it for sending an angry text message?
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And if that is the reason then why are the many incidents of people being angry towards me not also ban worthy?
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And do you know what she done which provoked that text message ( overt threatening to get me locked up and belittling me and bullying on the phone)
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And do you know Agnes ridiculed me regularly and bullied me when I attended church ( "youre making too much noise walking into church and disturbing me, can you not walk on your tippey toes or something? Then others walk in making much louder noise and she says nothing to them) ( I have many examples)
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How does she get awa with leaving threatening notes in the bookshelf in the parish hall which contained words like (Injection, hospital, mediation, torn from a page and placed in the books which I read often)
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And if you believe in Patriarchy then why does a female have permission to heap contempt on a male?
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And why does Agnes have the authority to slam the door of the chapel in the face of someone fresh from the confession box who spoke to the priest inside who granted him permission to be there?
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And why if I apologize for whatever it is I am supposed to have done, is it not accepted?
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And why does the sacrament of penance not work on me if it works on you?
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And why do none of you feel the need to confess what you done?
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And is it because as you have demonstrated with repeated lobbying efforts, you want to do it again?
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And why are there no open lines of communication between me and whoever it is I have supposedly wronged in order for me to make such an apology?
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And why do others not need to apologize to me?
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And why is my suffering irrelevant but your displeasure at my presence more relevant than my salvation?
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And why do you think it is acceptable in Jesus opinion for individuals to be thrown out of the church and boycotted by all?
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And why do my spiritual needs not matter to any of you?
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And why is the best you can do is jeer me behind my back and lobby priests behind my back and then collectively give me the silent treatment?
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And do you claim I am inferior because of a disability?
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And do people diagnosed deserve contempt?
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And do you believe I am possessed by the devil because of a diagnosis?
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And have any of you voiced your unconventional beliefs and behavior to a psychiatrist to see if you yourselves are perfectly sane?
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And why can't someone with a diagnosis go to church?
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And do you feel the same about the 390 million other people who also have a diagnosis?
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And would you likewise encourage them to die or bully them if you knew for a fact that they were suicidal at the time?
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And would you likewise slam the door in their faces?
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And would you also call them "nutjobs" even if you have never met them before? ( That american couple referred to me as "That guys a total nutjob" even though they never met me before because it is fashionable amongst Corpus Christi parishioners to persecute me)
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And am I a "Bad Potato"? ( Pat rock explained to the priest through metaphors that I was a bad potato who would corrupt the good potatoes who should be put into a field and covered in shite)
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And what did I do against him personally to merit such contempt?
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And if I done nothing to provoke it then will you admit that I am persecuted because of my perceived vulnerability due to a diagnosis?
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And if your peers encouraged you to refer to someone as a nutjob and bully them then would you?
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And would you feel the need to go to confession for insulting someone who was a "Nutjob"?
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And if not is it because you think such people give the church a bad image and you want to make them unwelcome, regardless of the needs of their soul?
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And if your church excludes people with disabilities then why do you claim you are religious and not a social club?
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And where in the bible does it say to call people nutjobs and lobby to get them banned from churches and slam doors in their faces and boycott them? Can you give me an exact scripture refernece for that?
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And why was there absolutely no investigation into my side of the story?
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And why was I condemned by Fr Griego before I ever met him?
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And why with physical injuries was I forced to travel to the other side of the country for Mass and sacraments needing to stay in a hostel to go there?
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And why are others forgiven ( former resistance people) but I am not?
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Is it because you see them as useful but me a burden?
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Are their souls worth more than mine?
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Is my soul worth anything?
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Do you care if I doubt that the Catholic church is interested in souls?
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And why do my opinions not count?
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And why do influential chapel regulars have a say in whether or not I can go to church?
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And why do they collectively condemn me behind my back and conspire to remove me from the church?
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And why do you get indignant if i repay your contempt with my own contempt?
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And why are people forbidden to question your treatment towards vulnerable people?
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And why are the parishioners of the SSPX the only ones who think my opinions are irrelevant?
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And is it because of a diagnosis that I am not permitted to attend a church?
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And what qualifications do you have in psychology?
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And what qualifications do you have in psychiatry?
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And given these qualifications what is your thesis diagnose routine for the label of "nutjob" and why does a diagnosis even matter so much to you?
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And why do you not like disabled people?
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And why do you heap contempt upon them?
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And why is a disability worthy of de facto excommunication?
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And where in Canon Law does it say that the punishment for mental illness is excommunication and that the faithful must heap contempt upon such an individual until they die in despair?
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And if a soul is in despair why are you satisfied with that result?
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And if you polarize a soul against the Catholic church why do you think that situation should be allowed to continue?
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And why do you have nothing to apologize for?
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And why are disabled people not worthy of dignity?
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And why are disabled people not worthy of apologies?
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And why are disabled people not allowed attend church for Mass and Sacraments?
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And why are disabled people worthy of contempt on account of disability?
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And why are disabled people not entitled to have their side of the story heard?
Why is there no Due process in my case?
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And if a parishioner imitates practices of certain saints why do you call it "Imprudent"?
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Is it because he is exposing your superficiality by his example?
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And should a nun have a massage business?
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And should a nun disobey bishops and join schismatic sects and still be regarded as a member of the church?
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And if someone is a sinner should you not do penance for them? And should said penance not be equal to the gravity of the sin?
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And what kind of professed religious shouts "How did he get back in here" when I go to church to save my soul?
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And do you know that she has her own psychiatric illness and is not on medication, and do you lobby to get her banned as you did to me?
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And do you know she is guilty of fraud and was exposed on national radio for procuring funds from a village in co Mayo under false reasons?
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And do you think that in justice she ought to reimburse the money belonging to people she lied to and manipulated?
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And do you think you are morally superior?
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And if the holy spirit dwells in unity, then do you think your society which experienced a cινιℓ ωαr possesses the holy spirit?
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And do any of you actually care about souls? Or is it just those who you think are useful to the reputation and image of your society?
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And do you think that by showing preference in who you permit to attend your chapel that you will not incur the perception from mainstream society that your group is an elite club and not a religious group?
No one dares answer my questions. They are exposed.
Ouuuuuu I m being "Monitored"
Well wasent that the whole reason I posted on this forum... to be "Monitored".
Laughed at. EXPOSED.
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Look how they see me as a threat. Therefore if I expose them, I must be on to something otherwise why would they send me messages saying "You are being monitored".
Ouuu Im being "Monitored" LOLoLololl
I said this to someone in the pub and they thought I was talking to the cult of scientology or something.
Yeah. Maybe I shouldnt react with anger and incur a ban, but why would I want to be on a forum if I am not catholic anymore, that makes no sense. I have a life. The church is not part of it.
Im tired of etiquette and civility and manners and this endless contest to show you are more pious and virtuous than those you dispute with. Lets cut to the chase. There would be no dispute in the first place if you really were virtuous. Therefore dont think that by covering it in etiquette and polished language that you hide it. All you do is sweep it under the rug and let it fester.
The bigots will be exposed.
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Mr Heapes,
You are being monitored.
And whats your real name sunshine?
HA HA HA EXPOSED
Your name is not john, you are under a fake name.
You are a BIGOT who threw a catholic out of their own religion.
You are responsible.
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Mr Heapes,
You are being monitored.
I have to admit that that message of "You are being monitored" is a bit disturbing. I can understand them not liking at all what you post here, but I don't get why they'd write that. Maybe he (the one who sent it) can explain it.
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Ok, this has gone on too long and has crossed the line from ugly to creepy. Just sayin...
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
Don't feed the beast!
I know this individual and he thrives of the attention that people, out of their charity, give him. The best thing for him is not to give him this attention, because he will only abuse it. Almost everyone in Irish tradition has long hard experience on this.
Ignore this advice at your peril!
"Don't feed the beast!"
My response is that I am no "beast" and if you dehumanize me I can dehumanize you.
I have feelings and needs and a right to practice my religion. You bigots can't get in my way and remain catholic.
How dare you lobby priests with blackmail to get them to do your dirty work while you hide in the shadows.
"I know this individual"
No you don't. None of you at that chapel know me. None of you bothered to get to know me.
You know nothing about me other than what I said whenever I went there.
None of you know me in real life.
"...and he thrives of the attention that people, out of their charity, give him."
I don't thrive on attention because you people never dignified me with any attention.
Since no one gave me attention and I was boycotted by all and given the silent treatment,
seems you people don't have charity. In fact you proved you have not charity, but malice,
with your bigoted lobbying to get me thrown out of the sspx.
"The best thing for him is not to give him this attention, because he will only abuse it."
How dare you claim to know what is best for me. Shut up. Bigot.
I have a right to go to whatever chapel I want to, and if you get in my way you are a bigot.
I know you are a bigot because you pressurize Fr griego to do your dirty work.
You whisper rumors of a rebellion in the chapel in his ear, and suggest that if Im banned he can fix it all.
You convince him to please his customers by telling them what they want to hear and do,
and not please Christ by acting with justice and truth. You are demonic.
And I admit I sent hate mail, but in fairness you people deserve it, and shouldnt expect anything less.
"Almost everyone in Irish tradition has long hard experience on this."
Bull. Are you claiming there was celebrations nationwide when I was thrown out and left alone with suicidal thoughts after the priests joined in the persecution of me. Why werent they there. Do you want me to upload some of the photos of the ѕυιcιdє notes I wrote in my own blood to prove what you people put me through. You really are sleaze and slimeballs.
How dare you practice bigotry and do that to a person. You are bigots. Full bigots. Nothing but bigots.
False christians. Pharisees who hijacked the chapel and denied the religoin to genuine christians.
"Ignore this advice at your peril!"
Oh REALLY you are afraid of an angry rebuke after what you done to me.
You know full well how cruel you sleaze were towards me. You tried to kill me.
I doubt you are such pious sensitive souls that you cant stomach an angry response to your arrogant supremacist bigotry.
You are bullies who cry out in agony as you plunge the knife into your victim and you cant stand being exposed.
What happened to me should be worldwide knowledge in all of the sspx
It is not because of your culture of silence and cover up.
But at least the victim is alive to curse you. I am thankful for that.
And I am glad I hate you people. So are my family and friends.
I hope you get a taste of your own venom in due course.
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Disgusting monsters. Who wants to be in the same religion as you except other monsters.
I get criticised for not being catholic, but it is your fault im not catholic, and your criticism means nothing to me.
Who wants to be in fellowship with you monsters.
As for the one person who tried to talk me into going back once i was banned.
Yeah I sent hate mail, but thats what you get for siding with murderers and not with the victim.
Empty platitudes the lot of it. She betrayed me to fit in with her peers and I see why.
The approval of peers was all that ever mattered in that cult called the sspx.
There was never any religion in that place except from the priests.
The enironment was overtly acid against religion. It was an irreligious environment hiding behind a false front of piety portrayed to the world. But if your society has not grown in numbers Its clear that others know the truth about your false church.
People stay away from you because you are dangerous freaks who have twisted psychologies who would wreak invective harm on fragile people if you got a chance. You thrive on chapel politics and manipulation. If any person walked in from the street you would play games with them the same way and guilt trip them into exalting your politics.
My mistake was to let you people into the door of my emotions, because once inside, you cut and slashed and defecated all over my heart, corrupting me and breaking me down. People in the general public have warning sensors in their minds about people like you, but I dont, because I was fragile and vulnerable when I went there first.
But they amplifed that vulnerability because it served them. They enjoyed breaking me in to pieces.
They enjoyed bullying me and imposing themselves on me. They wouldnt dare do it to anyone else.
So that is why I need my hate. That is why I say that person betrayed me.
It was blatently obvious what the nature of the chapel is, and anyone in denial about it is willfully covering it up,
and laying the grounds for it to happen all over again. Deaf to me, so therefore expect hate in return.
I have a right to be heard and your treatment of me was disgusting.
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Hey the catholics on this forum are reasonable and making me think 2wice about being an athiest.
All that religious thinking is coming back to me quickly. But I am not catholic at present, but have an open mind.
What did it was the fact people reached out to me, and disagreed with the treatment i got.
I feel vindicated by the proof that others dont consider me worthless.
Yesterday I spoke to some stunning blonde girl who was very enthusiastic more than i was, and when i went home i doubted whether i was worth it because i had internalized the bullying and believed i was worthless.
But such belittlement was cancelled out with defensive rage where i confront those responsible.
Yet there is no one to confront in real life so i thrive, and what is to stop me from being a strong christian.
These narks dont own the religion. I know they were bigots against me. But if i avoid religion because of them it is a sign of trauma associated with it, and that must be overcome. I should not internalize negative beliefs about worthlessness.
I have something to contribute to society. I am not an outcast in society and if the church outcasts me it is their loss.
But i can start christianity in society from the seed that is carried in my soul planted in the wilderness if i choose.
The chapel was overgrown with weeds.
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Hey the catholics on this forum are reasonable and making me think 2wice about being an athiest.
All that religious thinking is coming back to me quickly. But I am not catholic at present, but have an open mind.
What did it was the fact people reached out to me, and disagreed with the treatment i got.
I feel vindicated by the proof that others dont consider me worthless.
Yesterday I spoke to some stunning blonde girl who was very enthusiastic more than i was, and when i went home i doubted whether i was worth it because i had internalized the bullying and believed i was worthless.
But such belittlement was cancelled out with defensive rage where i confront those responsible.
Yet there is no one to confront in real life so i thrive, and what is to stop me from being a strong christian.
These narks dont own the religion. I know they were bigots against me. But if i avoid religion because of them it is a sign of trauma associated with it, and that must be overcome. I should not internalize negative beliefs about worthlessness.
I have something to contribute to society. I am not an outcast in society and if the church outcasts me it is their loss.
But i can start christianity in society from the seed that is carried in my soul planted in the wilderness if i choose.
The chapel was overgrown with weeds.
I'm so glad to see that you have some hope. God bless you.