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Offline Last Tradhican

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Abundance of Hypocrites on CathinfoI
« on: January 13, 2022, 09:17:14 AM »
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    • Someone posted this on another thread and I thought its rebuttal would make a good topic .


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    The amount of hypocrites and smug juggernuts here is breathtaking.

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    Offline ultrarigorist

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    Re: Abundance of Hypocrites on CathinfoI
    « Reply #1 on: January 13, 2022, 09:27:46 AM »
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    • You mean "she who has waaay too much time on her hands"?
    Or Energizer Bunny?
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Abundance of Hypocrites on CathinfoI
    « Reply #2 on: January 13, 2022, 09:32:58 AM »
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    • I didn't see when this was posted, but I had to look up the second term, and it's rather repugnant, unbecoming of a lady to use.  Apart from that, I can't determine what she means in extending this to some kind of metaphor.

    As for hypocrisy, that term is often used loosely.  What exactly was the context?  What was it that "she" (I'm pretty sure I know who this was, but don't have confirmation.) was reponding to?

    Calling her out for bad doctrine and feminism and overall rude/crude behavior unbecoming of a lady, etc. ... is not hypocrisy.  I imagine she calls hypocrite anyone who has higher standards of conduct than she has and who cares about Catholic doctrine.

    Hypocrisy in the correct sense refers to someone who denounces someone else in arrogant terms for the very behavior he himself engages in.  Notice the use of "arrogant".  If someone is an adulterer and says that adultery is wrong, that's not hypocrisy ... just a statement of fact ... unless he justifies his own behavior while denouncing that of others.  Or if he were to say "you filthy adulterer" while committing adultery himself.  Just because one commits a sin doesn't mean that he has to say the sin is OK.  As long as the person indicts himself at the same time, that's not hypocrisy.

    So we need more context.
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    Re: Abundance of Hypocrites on CathinfoI
    « Reply #3 on: January 13, 2022, 09:35:17 AM »
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    • I just took it as the heated generalizations of an upset woman.
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Abundance of Hypocrites on CathinfoI
    « Reply #4 on: January 13, 2022, 09:35:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on January 13, 2022, 09:17:14 AM
    Someone posted this on another thread and I thought its rebuttal would make a good topic .

    You very well know that "someone" was me.  Are you too afraid to mention that? How effeminate.

    And it is again curious that you go and start another thread on a topic that obviously hits a personal nerve with you.  Hmm... I wonder why?
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    Re: Abundance of Hypocrites on CathinfoI
    « Reply #5 on: January 13, 2022, 09:38:14 AM »
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    • To me a hypocrite is a whited sepulcher, a Pharisee, a person that does not live what they preach. So how can we know how a person lives that we cannot see? How can we call them a hypocrite if we do not see how they live, if they practice what they preach?  There is no way here in a forum. The only way would be that that person contradicts himself in his writings on the forum, like say a man says women should wear dresses that cover their legs, but in another place he says it is Ok for men to wear Speedos.

    I think the people who call others hypocrites here on CI are just protesting against about a more perfect, virtuous practice being proposed to them that they think is not necessary (or too difficult, or impossible) and that the person suggesting it does not practice themselves.

    Perhaps they should just ask if the person proposing it actually practices it? THAT would answer both questions, that it can be done, and that the one espousing it actually has done it.
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    Re: Abundance of Hypocrites on CathinfoI
    « Reply #6 on: January 13, 2022, 09:40:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: ultrarigorist on January 13, 2022, 09:27:46 AM
    You mean "she who has waaay too much time on her hands"?
    Or Energizer Bunny?
    It is not just her that said it, someone else agreed with her and posted the picture saying so.
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    Re: Abundance of Hypocrites on CathinfoI
    « Reply #7 on: January 13, 2022, 09:42:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on January 13, 2022, 09:38:14 AM
    To me a hypocrite is a whited sepulcher, a Pharisee, a person that does not live what they preach.

    There's more to it, as per my previous post.  Someone who does not live according to his principles ... that's known as a sinner.  We're all sinners.  But there's nothing wrong with saying "adultery is wrong," even if you've committed that sin.  So, what, are you supposed to say "adultery is not wrong" just because you did it?

    Hypocrisy has an added dimension, where the sinner exonerates himself while denouncing others, considers himself exempt from the standards he uses to judges others by.
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    Re: Abundance of Hypocrites on CathinfoI
    « Reply #8 on: January 13, 2022, 09:45:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 13, 2022, 09:42:19 AM
    There's more to it, as per my previous post.  Someone who does not live according to his principles ... that's known as a sinner.  We're all sinners.  But there's nothing wrong with saying "adultery is wrong," even if you've committed that sin.  So, what, are you supposed to say "adultery is not wrong" just because you did it?

    Hypocrisy has an added dimension, where the sinner exonerates himself while denouncing others, considers himself exempt from the standards he uses to judges others by.
    Like acting and boasting like a feminist but then reeling with anger at being labeled a feminist?
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Abundance of Hypocrites on CathinfoI
    « Reply #9 on: January 13, 2022, 10:04:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on January 13, 2022, 09:45:15 AM
    Like acting and boasting like a feminist but then reeling with anger at being labeled a feminist?

    That would be more denial.  Hypocrisy would be acting like a feminist but then denouncing others as feminists.

    Even then, I've known women who clearly carry themselves as feminists but then adamantly deny it when it's pointed out.  I think they have a different perception of feminism.  There are some behavior patterns that are more subtly feminist.  So, for example, a woman might in principle not object to wearing a chapel veil (as a symbol of subjection) but then talk down to her husband and refuse to humbly submit to his authority.  There's a gray area there between simple self-exertion and being a feminist in principle.  They might agree with things like "woman should stay at home and not work" but then think it's OK to disrespect their husbands and refuse to submit to their authority.
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    Re: Abundance of Hypocrites on CathinfoI
    « Reply #10 on: January 13, 2022, 10:30:48 AM »
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    I didn't see when this was posted, but I had to look up the second term, and it's rather repugnant, unbecoming of a lady to use.
    I assume 'juggernaut' was meant and was misspelled.
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    Re: Abundance of Hypocrites on CathinfoI
    « Reply #11 on: January 13, 2022, 10:45:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 13, 2022, 09:42:19 AM
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    LT wrote: To me a hypocrite is a whited sepulcher, a Pharisee, a person that does not live what they preach.
    Hypocrisy has an added dimension, where the sinner exonerates himself while denouncing others, considers himself exempt from the standards he uses to judges others by.
    Exonerates = excuses himself from the obligation, = the hypocrite excuses himself from the obligation he imposes on others. What you are saying is even less likely to be discovered by what someone writes on a forum. No?  How can one call someone on the internet a hypocrite unless they see how they live? The hypocrite would have to actually write that the obligation he is imposing on others does not apply to him. No?



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    So how can we know how a person lives that we cannot see? How can we call them a hypocrite if we do not see how they live, if they practice what they preach?  There is no way here in a forum. The only way would be that that person contradicts himself in his writings on the forum, like say a man says women should wear dresses that cover their legs, but in another place he says it is Ok for men to wear Speedos.

    I think the people who call others hypocrites here on CI are just protesting against about a more perfect, virtuous practice being proposed to them that they think is not necessary (or too difficult, or impossible) and that the person suggesting it does not practice themselves.

    Perhaps they should just ask if the person proposing it actually practices it? THAT would answer both questions, that it can be done, and that the one espousing it actually has done it.





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    Re: Abundance of Hypocrites on CathinfoI
    « Reply #12 on: January 13, 2022, 11:56:34 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on January 13, 2022, 10:45:52 AM
    Hypocrisy has an added dimension, where the sinner exonerates himself while denouncing others, considers himself exempt from the standards he uses to judges others by.

    Exonerates = excuses himself from the obligation, = the hypocrite excuses himself from the obligation he imposes on others. What you are saying is even less likely to be discovered by what someone writes on a forum. No?  How can one call someone on the internet a hypocrite unless they see how they live? The hypocrite would have to actually write that the obligation he is imposing on others does not apply to him. No?

    Right, it's impossible to determine hypocrisy on an internet forum if the person is anonymous.  There's a looser sense, but it's more typically called "Pharisaism" and not hypocrisy in the strict sense where one might adopt an attitude of superiority along the lines of, "God, I think you that I am not like one of these."
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    Re: Abundance of Hypocrites on CathinfoI
    « Reply #13 on: January 13, 2022, 11:57:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on January 13, 2022, 10:30:48 AM
    I assume 'juggernaut' was meant and was misspelled.

    I hope so, although I'm not sure that that insult means either, that they trample on people [somehow]?  Usually juggernaut refers to the notion that someone is unstoppable.
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    Re: Abundance of Hypocrites on CathinfoI
    « Reply #14 on: January 13, 2022, 12:09:45 PM »
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    Usually juggernaut refers to the notion that someone is unstoppable.
    I think the insult was referring to the non-stop smugness, "abuse" and uncharity that Anne felt.
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