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Re: about siblings taking care of younger siblings
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2023, 11:14:13 AM »
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  • That last post really hit home -- the idea that being in (and helping out in) a large family teaches kids to work, to help others (be selfless) and NOT be narcissistic ("the whole world revolves around you").

    It's difficult to NOT accidentally teach that to your kids, when you only have 1 or 2. After all, Mom and Dad do everything to make life smooth and easy for those 1 or 2 kids, right?

    But in a large family, it's so much more realistic, and a better preparation for REAL life. You have to work. You have to give and help others. And yes, the world DOESN'T revolve around you, your feelings, etc.

    That's good for both men and women. Men might otherwise lose themselves in video games, hobbies, etc. and women fall into narcissism or thinking their feelings are the most important thing, when they get TOO MUCH time & attention.

    It's a fine line.
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    Re: about siblings taking care of younger siblings
    « Reply #16 on: December 01, 2023, 11:18:45 AM »
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  • I would like to point out something else --

    The concept that a proper level of "normal work" in daily life is relative and arbitrary. In a rich household, they might consider making their own coffee "slave labor". In the olden days, people had to work hard for everything. Cooking meals was a full time job, with butchering, preparing, cooking from scratch, grinding, mixing, post-meal clean up, you name it. Today we have it SO easy.

    If you're used to doing 2 hours of chores a day, that will be your normal.
    If you're used to doing 2 MINUTES of chores, THAT will be your normal, and everything above that will FEEL LIKE hard slavery.

    Which one would prepare a girl better for a future career as a housewife and mother?

    Perception is reality, to a certain degree. Not objectively speaking, but TO THE PERSON what you feel or perceive IS your reality.

    Yes you don't want to break them, but you want to raise them with a reasonable standard of working hard, so they don't end up lazy.
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    Re: about siblings taking care of younger siblings
    « Reply #17 on: December 01, 2023, 01:25:00 PM »
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  • That last post really hit home -- the idea that being in (and helping out in) a large family teaches kids to work, to help others (be selfless) and NOT be narcissistic ("the whole world revolves around you").

    It's difficult to NOT accidentally teach that to your kids, when you only have 1 or 2. After all, Mom and Dad do everything to make life smooth and easy for those 1 or 2 kids, right?

    But in a large family, it's so much more realistic, and a better preparation for REAL life. You have to work. You have to give and help others. And yes, the world DOESN'T revolve around you, your feelings, etc.

    That's good for both men and women. Men might otherwise lose themselves in video games, hobbies, etc. and women fall into narcissism or thinking their feelings are the most important thing, when they get TOO MUCH time & attention.

    It's a fine line.
    Excellent points.  There is no worse misery than growing up in a family where the mother's feelings are the dominant force of the household. You rightly point it out as a form of narcissism.

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    Re: about siblings taking care of younger siblings
    « Reply #18 on: December 02, 2023, 04:38:04 AM »
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  • I agree with you, generally, on points 1 and 2.  It's not the siblings responsibility to raise their younger siblings.  But...it is their responsibility to help out the family.  It can be a fine line.

    Points 3 and 4 are connected, in that, you relate stories where siblings didn't want to have children after their family situations.  I would say this is God's will, because raising children isn't easy and for a teenager to realize this isn't their life's calling, at such a young age, is a blessing.  On the other hand, some of this "trauma" might be temporary and the desire to have children may return later, once the young adult is able to move out of the house, and have some independence.

    There's also plenty of opposite cases, (which is the more common situation in Trad families, in my experience), that older siblings become very good with children, and this prepares them for their vocation of marriage.
    This ^^^

    I understand and agree with the OP that parents shouldn't put all of their responsibilities off on their children and completely walk away and constantly leave their children in charge without a good reason

    However, I don't think most traditional Catholic parents would feel comfortable being so hands off...

    And if a parent wasn't taking charge of their children and put another child in charge I think that he should accept the responsibility out of obedience and respect towards his parents.
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    Re: about siblings taking care of younger siblings
    « Reply #19 on: December 02, 2023, 11:14:27 AM »
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  • My grandfather suffered a devastating illness and was bedridden. My grandmother had to give up the farm and go to work. My mother essentially raised her younger brothers. By the time I was born she'd already raised five kids and didn't want anymore after me. 
    Helping out is one thing but don't turn your oldest into a household drudge unless there is truly no other way.


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    Re: about siblings taking care of younger siblings
    « Reply #20 on: December 02, 2023, 11:45:00 AM »
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  • However, I don't think most traditional Catholic parents would feel comfortable being so hands off...
     Some of the worst examples of parental failure to supervise their own children I have witnessed happened at traditional Catholic gatherings.  Our group was almost kicked off the property because of the unruly children running around.

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    Re: about siblings taking care of younger siblings
    « Reply #21 on: December 02, 2023, 12:27:48 PM »
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  • Some of the worst examples of parental failure to supervise their own children I have witnessed happened at traditional Catholic gatherings.  Our group was almost kicked off the property because of the unruly children running around.
    I have witnessed this too, and it is baffling to me! Usually it’s a gathering after Mass, where adults just want to socialize and their kids are running crazy. 

    I was involved in a homeschool co-op in our area for a short time. They would set up different activities and tours of local places. I quit going because of how disrespectful the kids were. The people presenting, you could tell, were utterly frustrated with the situation. Nobody was paying attention, kids were goofing around and moms were off chit chatting and spending some “me time”. I was mortified and just couldn’t be a part of that. 
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    Re: about siblings taking care of younger siblings
    « Reply #22 on: December 02, 2023, 12:44:07 PM »
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  • If one doesn’t go overboard in expectations of the eldest children, it can be such a wonderful training ground for adult life, especially for girls.

    My eldest is 7 and she delights in helping to take care of her younger sisters. We are expecting a baby in April and she is just chomping at the bit to change diapers, rock for naps and to help with anything baby related.

    I realize that some mothers are very burdened with a large amount of children and the outward appearance of joy is hard to come by, especially if their husband is rarely around or if they are having to chip in to make money for the family, or if her husband has died or is disabled. But aside from that, I think mothers need to take special care to serve their families with joy, to sacrifice ourselves happily and to be a good role model for our children. If a mother loves her role as homemaker and goes about it cheerfully, girls will want to be like their mom and will enjoy doing what she does. If a mother feels constant drudgery, a child will see that burden upon their mother whom they love and conclude that the care of children is a negative burden. Therefore, even if it is hard, even if we mothers are tired and a bit discouraged, we should give it to our Lord, gain strength in his good and holy will, and move forward cheerfully. What wonderful future wives and mothers she will produce!
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    Re: about siblings taking care of younger siblings
    « Reply #23 on: December 02, 2023, 04:19:55 PM »
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    This.

    This is the norm in traditional Catholic families. The more children a family has, the better they turn out. The older children help raise the younger ones, and are prepared for life themselves, as well as exercised in the virtues of self-sacrifice and devotion to duty. They also learn that it is important to help others in life, and that they are not the center of the universe.

    People who come from families with few children learn the opposite of this.
    This is an interesting discussion. Life is not easy, no matter how many children. We all try to do the best we can, but the big families are heroic in self sacrifice and generosity. 
    Persevere...
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    Re: about siblings taking care of younger siblings
    « Reply #24 on: December 03, 2023, 05:11:40 AM »
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  • Some of the worst examples of parental failure to supervise their own children I have witnessed happened at traditional Catholic gatherings.  Our group was almost kicked off the property because of the unruly children running around.
    That is terrible!  😣
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    Re: about siblings taking care of younger siblings
    « Reply #25 on: December 03, 2023, 05:13:55 AM »
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  • I have witnessed this too, and it is baffling to me! Usually it’s a gathering after Mass, where adults just want to socialize and their kids are running crazy.

    I was involved in a homeschool co-op in our area for a short time. They would set up different activities and tours of local places. I quit going because of how disrespectful the kids were. The people presenting, you could tell, were utterly frustrated with the situation. Nobody was paying attention, kids were goofing around and moms were off chit chatting and spending some “me time”. I was mortified and just couldn’t be a part of that.
    I can understand that frustration.

    I guess our chapel is smaller because I definitely haven't noticed this happening much.  

    It is a good reminder to be more self-aware of one's children when in public.
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    Re: about siblings taking care of younger siblings
    « Reply #26 on: December 03, 2023, 05:14:51 AM »
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  • If one doesn’t go overboard in expectations of the eldest children, it can be such a wonderful training ground for adult life, especially for girls.

    My eldest is 7 and she delights in helping to take care of her younger sisters. We are expecting a baby in April and she is just chomping at the bit to change diapers, rock for naps and to help with anything baby related.

    I realize that some mothers are very burdened with a large amount of children and the outward appearance of joy is hard to come by, especially if their husband is rarely around or if they are having to chip in to make money for the family, or if her husband has died or is disabled. But aside from that, I think mothers need to take special care to serve their families with joy, to sacrifice ourselves happily and to be a good role model for our children. If a mother loves her role as homemaker and goes about it cheerfully, girls will want to be like their mom and will enjoy doing what she does. If a mother feels constant drudgery, a child will see that burden upon their mother whom they love and conclude that the care of children is a negative burden. Therefore, even if it is hard, even if we mothers are tired and a bit discouraged, we should give it to our Lord, gain strength in his good and holy will, and move forward cheerfully. What wonderful future wives and mothers she will produce!
    Well said!  I definitely need to work on being more cheerful when I am overwhelmed with the children and duties of keeping house.  😅
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