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« on: September 30, 2012, 01:38:14 PM »
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  • As we're all outnumbered, isolated, and often feel like it's Us vs. The World...

    It's easy to fall into the trap of "Truth. Population: Me"

    We must do our best to foster the virtue of Humility and also common sense, so that when we are about to conclude "No one else holds the true teaching...not even all of the traditional priests and bishops alive today!!!" there is something that will catch you from going through with your plunge into insanity.

    I've met several people (unfortunately) who seem to have fallen headlong into this trap. I've been the moderator of CathInfo for 6+ years, and I've been a traditional Catholic all my life which spans 3 and a half decades. So you can trust me -- I've seen this happen all too often.

    I've had to ban such people on occasion -- such as David Landry, Frank Pagnanelli, Lucio Mascarenhas (the Papal Secretary to Pope Michael I of St. Mary's Kansas), etc.

    Once the devil sees that he can't tempt you into flagrant, base sins (drunkenness, visits to a strip joint, fornication, etc.) he'll calmly switch tactics: try to tempt you to EXCESS in your prayers, works of piety, mortifications, strictness.
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    « Reply #1 on: September 30, 2012, 09:53:25 PM »
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    Once the devil sees that he can't tempt you into flagrant, base sins (drunkenness, visits to a strip joint, fornication, etc.) he'll calmly switch tactics: try to tempt you to EXCESS in your prayers, works of piety, mortifications, strictness.


    Can you elaborate on this?


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    « Reply #2 on: September 30, 2012, 10:10:04 PM »
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  • This is the common teaching of the "masters of the spiritual life". It it touched upon by St. Ignatius in "Discernment of Spirits" in his Spiritual Exercises.

    This is one of the basic tenets, that the devil doesn't tempt everyone in the same way.

    The classic case: you convert to Catholicism (or to a more serious practice of it). The devil sees that sin has become distasteful for you, so he begins tempting you to fast MORE, hoping that eventually it will become too difficult, and in your exasperation you'll give up the whole thing, including possibly your entire "conversion".

    Who wins? The devil.

    Does the devil care if he gets the soul of John Doe via the sin of pride (like a Pharisee) vs. a base, carnal sin (like a street prostitute)?  Not really. He just wants the soul.

    Sin by excess, defect, intellectual, carnal, public, private -- it's all the same to the devil. He'll use whatever works. He's not stupid (though I'm sure we all wish he was!) He has an angelic intellect, and he's not afraid to use it.

    Think of a mere human being -- the most awesome general or tactician you can imagine. Now consider that angels (fallen or not) are WAY more intelligent than any man.
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    « Reply #3 on: September 30, 2012, 10:20:10 PM »
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  • As the testimony of past ages and that of the present day demonstrate, numerous are the persons who give themselves over to the study and disputation of lofty questions regarding sacred doctrine, whilst neglecting to cultivate their own interior life. It often happens that certain souls neglect prayer for the sake of study, and this is often a dangerous delusion which can ultimately imperil the salvation of the individual. So many have been the heresies, errors and dissensions that have had their ultimate origin in such a diabolical disorientation.

    It particularly behooves a Catholic student to be temperate in intellectual endeavors, for the Angelic Doctor expounds upon studiousness as the moral virtue which has knowledge as its proper matter (Summa IIa IIæ, q. clxvi., art. 1), and “is a potential part of temperance, as a subordinate virtue annexed to a principle virtue” (“studiositas sit pars potentialis temperantiae, sicut virtus secundaria ei adiuncta ut principali virtuti”), for the moderation of the natural desire that all men have for knowledge pertains to the virtue of studiousness (“moderatio autem hujus appetitus pertinet ad virtutem studiositatis;” ibid., art. 2). St. Thomas goes on to teach that “on the part of the soul, [man] is inclined to desire knowledge of things; and so it behooves him to exercise a praiseworthy restraint of this desire, lest he seek knowledge immoderately” (“ex parte animae, inclinatur homo ad hoc quod cognitionem rerum desideret: et sic oportet ut homo laudabiliter huiusmodi appetitum refrenet, ne immoderate rerum cognitionem intendat;” ibid. ad iii. dub.).






    However, what is temperance without humility? An illustrious example is to be found in how St. Joseph comported himself amidst the anxieties and vexations of mind at the sight of his virginal Spouse prodigiously carrying the Divine Infant in her chaste womb, as recorded in the Holy Gospel (S. Matt. cap. i., 18-21). It was not that he doubted or thought ill of the Blessed Mother, for, having himself vowed perpetual virginity, he could not have thought such things, as St. Paul would later write to Titus, "All things are clean to the clean: but to them that are defiled, and to unbelievers, nothing is clean: but both their mind and their conscience are defiled" (cap. i., 15). Rather, he beheld the Mystery of the Incarnate Word and the virginal and divine Maternity of the Mary Most Holy, and was overwhelmed with sacred dread at the contemplation thereof, with a similar pious terror and wonder that seized the Prophets of old when they foresaw the glories of the Incarnate Word: "O Lord, I have heard the report of Thee, and was afraid; I heard, and mine inmost parts shuddered, my lips quivered at the report" (Hab. cap. iii. 2, 16).

    Because St. Joseph was much purer and holier than the Prophets, he knew the grandeur of these Mysteries much more clearly and had a more profound and abiding humility and self-knowledge whereby he understood how unworthy he was of such Mysteries, being a finite creature who is as nothing before the eternal and infinite Deity, his sanctity notwithstanding. It was a similar movement of grace that made St. Elizabeth exclaim at the Visitation of Our Lady, "And whence is this to me, that the Mother of my Lord should come to me? (S. Luc. cap. i., 48); a confession that echoed the ancient aspirations of King David when he sang, "What is man that Thou art mindful of him? or the son of man that Thou visitest him? O Lord, what is man, that Thou art made known to him? or the son of man, that Thou makest account of him?" (Pss. viii. 5; cxlviii. 3).

    St. Joseph's own fiat to the Angel's command gave testimony to his utter self-detachment and filial abandonment to the designs of Divine Providence, and the greatness of his humility and magnanimity, contraries which coalesced into a generous act of praise and self-abasement in his great zeal and love for Jesus and Mary. He truly was made worthy for the great offices of Spouse and Guardian of the Virgin Mother of God and of legal Father and Guardian of the Word Incarnate, to which he had been predestined from all eternity; for his fiat was a worthy parallel to the greater Fiat whereby Our Lady became the Mother of God yet ever remaining a Virgin inviolate (S. Luc. cap. i., 38).

    Taking St. Joseph for his exemplar, the Catholic student ought to be mindful that it is never expedient to search into things that are above us if we fail to cultivate a humble, pure and earnest heart wherewith to search into such sacred things, after the example of King David who prayed unto the Lord, singing, "Lord, my heart is not exalted: neither are mine eyes lofty. Neither have I walked in great matters, nor in marvelous things above me," (Ps. cxxx. 1).

    The Catholic student ought to lend ear to the admonitions placed upon the lips of our dear Lord and found in the great treatise De Imitatione Christi: "Son, be not curious, and give not way to useless cares. What is  this or that to thee? Follow thou Me," ( Lib. III., cap. xxiv. n. 1), for, "I would gladly speak My word to thee, and reveal My secrets, if thou wouldst diligently observe My coming, and open to Me the door of thy heart. Be circuмspect, and watch in prayers, and humble thyself in all things," (ibid., n. 2). For, "I am He that in an instant elevateth the humble mind to comprehend more reasons of the eternal truth than if any one had studied ten years in the schools. I teach without noise of words, without confusion of opinions, without ambition of honor, without strife of arguments," (Lib. III., cap. xliii., n. 3) --- "For a certain person, by loving Me intimately, learned things divine and spoke wonders. He profiteth more by foresaking all things than by studying subtleties," (ibid., n. 4). "Study the mortification of thy vices; for this will more avail thee than the knowledge of many difficult questions," (ibid., n. 1) --- "In everything attend to thyself, what thou art doing, and what thou art saying: and direct thy whole attention to this, that thou mayest please Me alone, and neither desire nor seek anything out of me," (Lib. III., cap. xxv., n. 3).

    Those who are industrious and diligent to study upon lofty matters and yet neglect their interior lives are in exceeding great peril: "Woe to them that inquire after many curious things of men, and are little curious of the way to serve Me," (Lib. III., cap. xliii., n. 2). "For he that would fully and with relish understand the words of Christ, must study to conform his whole life to Him," (Lib. I., cap. i., n. 2). "What doth it profit thee to dispute deeply about the Trinity, if thou be wanting in humility, and so be displeasing to the Trinity?" (ibid., n. 3). "Oftentimes call to mind the proverb: The eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor is the ear filled with hearing. Study, therefore, to wean thy heart from love of visible things, and to betake thee to the things unseen," (ibid., n. 5). "Truly, a lowly rustic that serveth God is better than a proud philosopher who pondereth the courses of the stars, and neglecteth himself," (Lib. I., cap ii., n. 1). The humble of heart have not this admonition to fear: "The more thou knowest, and the better, so much the heavier will thy judgment therefore be, unless thy life be also more holy," (ibid., n. 3).

    From the above-cited admonitions of this celebrated treatise upon the Christian life, it is clear that prayer should be the primal concern of the student of sacred doctrine.






    The Holy Rosary is the most apt prayer for students of sacred doctrine, as this most wondrous Psalterium Jesu et Mariæ is above all the school of contemplation and a mirror of virtues to be imitated in the divine lives of Jesus and Mary. The Holy Rosary is in truth a school wherein the Mysteries of the Faith shine forth before the eyes of the soul with a supernal effulgence that dispels the darkness of sin and ignorance, and illumines the soul with a vivifying light that harmonizes prayer with study, and makes the interior and exterior life of the student correspond with these elements that enlighten and strengthen one another.

    According to experience of certain interior souls, it has come to pass that a well-meditated and well-prayed Rosary has illustrated the intellect with the refulgent knowledge of the sacred Mysteries of the holy Faith in a manner more wondrous and efficient than the industrious study of the manuals and treatises of sacred theology. Whilst meditating upon the Mysteries of the Most Holy Rosary certain theological principles taken on a profundity and immensity that overwhelm and thrill the amplitude of the soul, so that in due time discursive reasoning at times gives way to the simple and prolonged gaze of the soul rapt in mute veneration and devout dread before the inexhaustible riches of the wisdom and goodness of God. If this continues, and the soul begins to be purified passively (having already been purged actively by the penance and self-abnegation characteristic of the purgative way) and becomes more detached from self and more docile to the Holy Ghost. As the soul enters the ethereal, transluminous realm of the mystical ways of prayer, it relies less and less upon its own intellection and more and more upon the operations of the gifts of the Holy Ghost.

    Such is the power of the Holy Rosary, and why it was so recommended by Our Lady at Fatima and elsewhere, and so richly indulged and promoted by the Supreme Pontiffs and lauded by Saints and spiritual authors. For the student of sacred doctrine the Holy Rosary is truly the path not only to sacred knowledge, but to holy contemplation, the plenitude of that divinely revealed faith which is the object of sacred theology.

    To conclude: a student of sacred doctrine must be given over to prayer first and foremost, and must frequent the holy Sacraments and avail himself of the spiritual direction of a devout and learned Priest (either personally or by correspondence if a Priest is not accessible because of the times). Availing oneself of the divinely-ordained patronage and tutelage of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Sedes sapientiæ (Litaniæ Lauretanæ Beatæ Mariæ Virginis, Rituale Romanum, Tit. XI, cap. iii.), particularly by means of the devout recitation of the Holy Rosary, is morally indispensable for the fruitful study of sacred doctrine, for the greater glory of Our Lord and for the salvation and edification of souls.[/size][/font][/color][/b]
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  • Those are beautiful images, Hobble. Thanks.


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  • Quote from: Matthew
    It's easy to fall into the trap of "Truth. Population: Me"

    We must do our best to foster the virtue of Humility and also common sense, so that when we are about to conclude "No one else holds the true teaching...not even all of the traditional priests and bishops alive today!!!" there is something that will catch you from going through with your plunge into insanity.


    This is an excellent point, Matthew.  It is also good to remember it has its variants, including the one that sees the population of Truthville, so to speak, as limited to this or that Traddie group and its particular interpretation of the present crisis.

    On this first day of October, I want to wish everyone who reads this a peaceful, grace-filled month of the Most Holy Rosary.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #6 on: October 02, 2012, 10:51:37 AM »
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    As we're all outnumbered, isolated, and often feel like it's Us vs. The World...

    It's easy to fall into the trap of "Truth. Population: Me"

    We must do our best to foster the virtue of Humility and also common sense, so that when we are about to conclude "No one else holds the true teaching...not even all of the traditional priests and bishops alive today!!!" there is something that will catch you from going through with your plunge into insanity.

    I've met several people (unfortunately) who seem to have fallen headlong into this trap. I've been the moderator of CathInfo for 6+ years, and I've been a traditional Catholic all my life which spans 3 and a half decades. So you can trust me -- I've seen this happen all too often.

    I've had to ban such people on occasion -- such as David Landry, Frank Pagnanelli, Lucio Mascarenhas (the Papal Secretary to Pope Michael I of St. Mary's Kansas), etc.

    Once the devil sees that he can't tempt you into flagrant, base sins (drunkenness, visits to a strip joint, fornication, etc.) he'll calmly switch tactics: try to tempt you to EXCESS in your prayers, works of piety, mortifications, strictness.


    well stated, some get trench fever and never emerge nor can they seem to function outside of  :argue:  :really-mad2:, we all get that way, occ, but not as a way of life.....
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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  • All the better to have a good confessor and spiritual director, to guide us objectively according to our state and calling, and the crosses that haven been given unto us.

    For most us, as his Grace +Williamson has oft said, daily life itself truly lived as a Traditional Catholic is penitential enough in itself.

    If we quarrel amongst ourselves, and persist in our own little obstinancies, we will have but the laughter of Mordor-NewRome as our reward. :gandalf:
    (Had to slip in a little Tolkien  :wink: )
    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster


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    « Reply #8 on: October 02, 2012, 02:02:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: gladius_veritatis
    Quote from: Matthew
    It's easy to fall into the trap of "Truth. Population: Me"

    We must do our best to foster the virtue of Humility and also common sense, so that when we are about to conclude "No one else holds the true teaching...not even all of the traditional priests and bishops alive today!!!" there is something that will catch you from going through with your plunge into insanity.


    This is an excellent point, Matthew.  It is also good to remember it has its variants, including the one that sees the population of Truthville, so to speak, as limited to this or that Traddie group and its particular interpretation of the present crisis.

    On this first day of October, I want to wish everyone who reads this a peaceful, grace-filled month of the Most Holy Rosary.



    Well, what da ya know?

    Welcome back, gladius_veritatis!

    You slipped away before I ever had the pleasure.
    It's nice to see you're still on board. Things are looking up!










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  • These are sound counsels to heed.

    It has always been the practice of the Church that matters that are of concern
    can be discussed, and when the discussion gets too strained or strident, to keep
    the peace, if there is a matter of doctrine involved, the Pope can speak to clear
    up any confusion. But in these days, since 50 years ago, actually (in 9 days from
    now) the Pope gave up his power of condemnation of error. So we are cast
    adrift in the stormy seas of Modernism post Vat.II.

    All the more reason for us to be circuмspect and careful with Christian charity.

    ETC.... as you were saying, Matthew.................









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    Once the devil sees that he can't tempt you into flagrant, base sins (drunkenness, visits to a strip joint, fornication, etc.) ...




    I have a friend with whom the devil does NOT have this problem.

    It's like talking to the wall sometimes.

    All he has going for himself is he prays the Rosary, most days. And he prays it FAST.




    I know, that's not really what this thread is about. But since it was here, it seemed
    like a spot to bring out a bit for a moment.
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    Quote from: Matthew
    It's easy to fall into the trap of "Truth. Population: Me"

    We must do our best to foster the virtue of Humility and also common sense, so that when we are about to conclude "No one else holds the true teaching...not even all of the traditional priests and bishops alive today!!!" there is something that will catch you from going through with your plunge into insanity.


    This is an excellent point, Matthew.  It is also good to remember it has its variants, including the one that sees the population of Truthville, so to speak, as limited to this or that Traddie group and its particular interpretation of the present crisis.

    On this first day of October, I want to wish everyone who reads this a peaceful, grace-filled month of the Most Holy Rosary.


    Gladius!  Nice to see you.   :smile:
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    Welcome back, gladius_veritatis!

    You slipped away before I ever had the pleasure.
    It's nice to see you're still on board. Things are looking up!


    Thank you for the kind words.  The pleasure, such as it is, is entirely mine.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Gladius!  Nice to see you.   :smile:


    Thank you, Sigi.  I hope you have been and are well, my friend.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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  • As you may know if you if you have been lurking, my eldest daughter was in a very serious care accident.  She nearly died, but thanks be to God is recovering slowly but well.  This has consumed much of my life of late.

    I hope you are well too.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir