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Offline PaulLuke

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« on: February 08, 2013, 07:00:23 AM »
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  • There seems to be a lot of hatred toward all universities here, especially the ultra-liberal ones. I currently attend one of the Ivy League schools, and I thought I would give a more detailed description of my experience with it in case anyone here knows someone who is interested, or wants an insider’s observations about these universities in today’s world. I am open to any comments, questions, or criticism you may have.

    First of all, I grew up in the Novus Ordo as a neo-con (I know, common story), going to a public high school. I experienced a renewed interest in the Faith almost immediately upon starting college, but it wasn’t until later that I learned of traditionalism and the TLM for the first time. I currently attend a diocesan TLM because of lack of access to anything else.

    First of all, the bad

    Where to begin? There is a Catholic group on campus, though its main focus is socialization and not much else related to the faith. They hold these very modern prayer services every once in a while, do a couple service projects, but really couldn’t be too bothered with absolutely accepting and practicing the True Faith. I’ve heard my fair share of heresy and blasphemy there, almost every girl has never even heard of modesty, there is little male involvement, many members will participate in debauchery as a group, in addition to holding to all the modernist problems in the Church like the Novus Ordo, ecuмenism, etc. I know a few good neo-cons, though, and I’ve been able to take two of them to the TLM once, but Tradition is not alive here.

    The student life on campus is one of intense paganism, heathenism, and modernism. Somehow, Jєωs literally make up about 20% of our school, one can take an enormous number of classes on Judaism (only a heretical one or two on Christianity), and they are the only religious group to be offered a special place on campus. The LGBT (lesbian, gαy, bisɛҳuąƖ, and transgender) center is also on campus, and my school is known as one of the most “gαy-friendly” in the US. Sex is everywhere (not just the action, but signs, school-funded presentations, newspaper, etc.) Only the conservative Jєω girls dress modestly and exclusively in skirts—go figure—while the rest of campus, guys and girls, dress as you probably expect. The school is almost entirely liberal, socialistic, and communistic, though a number are fiscally conservative. I might be able to count the socially conservative students on my fingers and toes. I doubt any of them are true proponents of the Kingship of Christ and the Church’s traditional teachings about the State.

    As for the education, I am a heavy math and science person, so the only modernism I usually have to hear is evolution. You would be surprised how ubiquitous it is. Every class on biology, biochemistry, and biophysics I’ve taken (and that’s at least a dozen or so) talks about evolution this, evolution that. The only thing I’ve gotten from it all is that evolution is pre-supposed in everything, even if they have to come up with the most whacked-up way of explaining things to make it fit. I could write a lot more about that, but maybe some other time. I took a philosophy class once, and I didn’t know whether to laugh at all the absurdities or despair over what passes for rational thought these days. I tried my best to defend philosophy in line with the Faith, but it only went so far. The worst part of it all is that all my professors are leaders in their respective fields, and none of them are close to being in line with the One True Faith, and so it is disheartening to know the level of brainwashing present in academia today.

    The not-so bad

    Well, the education is really top notch if you know how to parse out the idiocy (which is rampant, like in modern philosophy, evolution, interpretations of history, biblical scholasticism, etc.) Like I said, I am mostly science and math, so I get to avoid the trash taught in the liberal arts. I love these subjects, but I stay away from them at this university for obvious reasons. Math and engineering are usually perfectly fine. Financial aid has been generous, so I have not had to worry about the cost of attending school here too much. Also, I really hope I don’t come off prideful here (Lord, forgive me if I do!), but I am one of the top students here despite all the awful things I mentioned above. This and the name-brand of the Ivy League open up great career opportunities for the future. I hope to be what’s known as a physician-scientist, who practices medicine and performs scientific research, which my school has helped train me to become. I do it all for the glory of God, that I may help people and promote true science as the Church has always done. And before you call me too worldly, know that I plan to live (and do live now) as any other Catholic ought: ceaselessly praying, evangelizing, living frugally, giving generously to charity, helping the poor and sick, raising a strong Catholic family, etc.

    What to take from what I am saying

    Basically, I would not recommend to anyone that their child attend any of these so-called elite universities. By the grace of God I have been able to rise above the evil at this university (hopefully all of it), but it has not been easy. One has to have incredibly strong faith and trust in God to be able to make it through this mess. I thank the Holy Ghost daily for bringing me to deeper faith, but I have not made it through thus far unscathed. Honestly, I don’t think the good here is worth the risk of lapsing in your faith.

    On the other hand, we Catholics (especially we traditional Catholics) cannot shrink from the world entirely. Knowledge and intelligence are graciously given to us by God Himself. And if traditional Catholics always remain unseen and we hide from intellectualism and academia (or at least what passes for it these days), evangelization of the world will be that much harder. Ultimately, in deciding whether or not to attend, keep all these things in mind. If you’re reading this just to gain a better perspective, know that the Ivy League is perhaps worse than you imagined, but not all souls are lost therein. It's complicated, to say the least Please say a quick prayer for me that I may make it through the rest in strong Faith.

    Below is a picture of some of us Ivy Leaguers at the March For Life this year.


    Offline Vladimir

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    « Reply #1 on: February 08, 2013, 07:42:22 AM »
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  • Even desire to discern a religious vocation would not always be a sufficient argument to forego college prior to the seminary/monastery. For one thing, being relatively self-sufficient (that is, away from the protection of the home - quite obviously, most college students are totally financially dependent on their parents) gives one an opportunity for maturation, both intellectually and in the ways of the world. Another point to consider is that in the event that one goes to the seminary/monastery and there discerns that he does not have a vocation, returning to the world and going to college will be especially difficult. Not only because of the age difference, but more so the environment - Saint Bernard compares it to quitting the presence of angels and returning to a den of iniquity. If one had a degree beforehand, at least after returning to the world one could fall back on the degree. In this example, the back-up plan could just as easily be a trade or some other marketable skill. Additionally, in the heat of some passing phase of emotional excitement one may feel unable to wait to pursue a vocation without sufficient time for reflection. While there are many stories of dramatic conversions, etc, it would seem that those constitute an exception to a general rule that religious vocation is a process that is discerned steadily through much reflection, study, experience, and self-examination of both an intellectual and spiritual nature. For an anxious teenage male that is seemingly all on fire for the faith and can't wait to pack his bags for the seminary, perhaps college is wise option to allow him to "cool off" a bit before jumping into anything. There is always the risk of falling into tepidity, but if one is truly seriously discerning a vocation, it seems that this problem could be addressed in multiple ways and would not lead to the refusal of a true vocation of supernatural origin.







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    « Reply #2 on: February 09, 2013, 05:45:45 PM »
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  • Thankyou, PaulLuke, for sharing your experiences. Your college experience sounds similar to mine in some ways.

    If I would have known then what I do now, I would not have gone. I thank God for protecting me through it. Realistically though, I know there is no way I came through unscathed. I am still working through a lot of the conditioning I received at my university.

    May God bless you and keep you in your remaining time there!
    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
    ~James 1:27

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    « Reply #3 on: March 05, 2013, 08:51:56 PM »
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  • What year did you all attend the March for Life?  

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    « Reply #4 on: March 05, 2013, 09:13:43 PM »
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  • Quote from: Walty
    What year did you all attend the March for Life?  


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    Below is a picture of some of us Ivy Leaguers at the March For Life this year.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


    Offline Pius IX

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    « Reply #5 on: March 05, 2013, 11:32:59 PM »
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  • I know a trad who went to Harvard in the good ol days, late 50s, early 60s. He said he skipped a lot of classes and helped out the Spanish Opus Dei priest.

    When I asked him if it was anything like Animal House, he said it was.

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    « Reply #6 on: March 25, 2013, 01:46:25 AM »
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  • Thank you for your post.

    In High School my biggest aspiration was to graduate from an Ivy League school.  I ended up graduating from a "Second Tier" school that is considered Conservative, by modern definitions.  That was 15 years ago.  Today I take my religion much more seriously and looking back even my "conservative" university of 15 years ago was a cess pool.  The sad thing is that I don't know where to send my own children to college.  Even the "Catholic" universities are Catholic in name only.

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    « Reply #7 on: March 31, 2013, 11:36:54 PM »
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  • Did you go to Columbia? I suppose most of the details (LGBT center/homage), tons of Jєωιѕн students (of whom I counted a number of friends and acquaintances, certainly more than other Catholics), could be any other Ivy. Luckily for me, I met my wife in my freshman year, who is also very conservative (paleo as opposed to neo), so I didn't find the experience too isolating personally. Of course, we were horrified by the conversations overheard at the Catholic center-- as well as by the tackiness of the masses and "Catholic" students in general, so we avoided them. Anyways, I've noticed from my upbringing among Traditionalist Catholics, that we tend to identify ourselves in opposition to modern values in any case: what better place to do this than at an institution at the vanguard of political correctness! Besides, as I believe some other commentators point out, there are no real "Catholic" schools in any case, save the academically dubious Ave Maria University, which has its own student problems in any case. As a humanities major (as opposed to social sciences like sociology, as well as made-up political power-grab disciplines such as various race and gender studies), I can also say that Catholic parents have nothing to worry about in terms of indoctrination from most disciplines (other than the ones I named), provided you avoid those classes (a simple feat). Even though most professors are certainly liberal in their personal beliefs, such outlooks often have little to do with their actual research and class lectures, from a moral point of view (though they might have definite, though subtle, political ramifications, which are easy for conservative students to identify).

    While at first I could hardly keep my eyes from rolling to the back of my head from the ridiculous conversations I would overhear, I came to see that, by feigning ignorance and beginning statements with politically correct obeisances, I could plant subversive mustard seeds that questioned the politically correct status quo, and often bring people to realize the inherent contradiction of these positions with reality.  And then, for effect, to finish the "devils advocate" position (which I was "just exploring", and which happened to be the entirely, if uncomfortably, logical and correct position) by repeating the same obeisances, which this time sound completely ridiculous having been debunked in such a cursory manner.

    On a final note, I would say that only about 10-20% of students, at most, could be considered "radical" leftists. Religion was simply not on anyone's radar. Most people just sort of accept various leftist excuses for the structure of society, without paying any of the specifics too much thought. Most people just wanted to be seen as "nice"--I was always surprised at how many closet conservatives I met as well. Anyways, I think that most Traditionalists definitely have a completely skewed idea of what most students are like at the more elite universities (and confuse them with the 5-10 radical small colleges such as Evergreen or Sarah Lawrence)-- the bulk of most classes are composed of ordinary, though high achieving, middle to upper-middle class kids who want to work on Wall Street.


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    « Reply #8 on: April 01, 2013, 02:29:39 AM »
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    I think that most Traditionalists definitely have a completely skewed idea of what most students are like at the more elite universities


    Yeah, I think most of them don't realize how many of them are Jєωs.