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Title: A scientific Eucharistic miracle to rejoice about
Post by: cassini on June 16, 2025, 10:48:37 AM
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Title: Re: A scientific Eucharistic miracle to rejoice about
Post by: Incredulous on June 17, 2025, 07:43:29 PM

Very interesting!

In the four volume set of books titled, “The Mystical City of God”, written by Venerable Maria de Agreda, the Blessed Virgin states that her substance is in the Holy Eucharist too.
Title: Re: A scientific Eucharistic miracle to rejoice about
Post by: Miseremini on August 08, 2025, 02:34:09 PM
Science finally caught up to TRUTH !
Title: Re: A scientific Eucharistic miracle to rejoice about
Post by: roscoe on August 09, 2025, 01:40:30 AM
E rev around S :popcorn:
Title: Re: A scientific Eucharistic miracle to rejoice about
Post by: SimpleMan on August 09, 2025, 10:09:40 AM
Unless all these miracles involve hosts from the Traditional Latin Mass, offered by a priest ordained in the pre-Vatican II rite by a bishop who was consecrated in the traditional rite, this seriously calls into doubt the idea that the Novus Ordo is not a valid Eucharistic sacrifice, and calls into doubt the idea that the new rites of ordination and/or consecration are per se invalid.

Just saying.
Title: Re: A scientific Eucharistic miracle to rejoice about
Post by: Boru on August 09, 2025, 11:21:14 AM
Unless all these miracles involve hosts from the Traditional Latin Mass, offered by a priest ordained in the pre-Vatican II rite by a bishop who was consecrated in the traditional rite, this seriously calls into doubt the idea that the Novus Ordo is not a valid Eucharistic sacrifice, and calls into doubt the idea that the new rites of ordination and/or consecration are per se invalid.

Just saying.
Incredible! All these Eucharistic Miracles do indeed support the case that the New Rite Masses are valid. And by extension, the New Rite priests of these Masses are valid. The miracle of the 'X' only chromosome proves they are one and the same miracle: the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ.
Title: Re: A scientific Eucharistic miracle to rejoice about
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 09, 2025, 11:52:44 AM
It’s not 0% valid or 100% valid.  This is not an either-or / all or none scenario.  Good golly, guys, your logic is horrible.  :facepalm:

The amount of variables associated with the new rites is HUGE.  NOBODY EVER SAID THAT ALL NEW RITES ARE INVALID.  We're saying we don’t know which ones are valid.   And you don’t know either.  

And if you’re trying to argue that it’s all or none, then you’re a simpleton and have no business discussing theology.  
Title: Re: A scientific Eucharistic miracle to rejoice about
Post by: Angelus on August 09, 2025, 12:02:45 PM
Incredible! All these Eucharistic Miracles do indeed support the case that the New Rite Masses are valid. And by extension, the New Rite priests of these Masses are valid. The miracle of the 'X' only chromosome proves they are one and the same miracle: the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ.

Why would you not seek evidence of these claims before jumping to such conclusions? Don't you realize that the deceivers will lie about these things?

On the other hand, we have a confirmed stigmatist, Marie-Julie Jahenny, warning, at the end of the Nineteenth Century that a "Second Celebration" would be introduced in the Roman Catholic Church what would contain "words from the abyss."


Ecstasy July 21, 1881

"The Church will suffer the most cruel persecutions which hell has never yet invented.

"Soon, in large parts of this land of the dead, there will be no sanctuaries. The apostles will have fled. The holy souls weep over the ruins and abandonment; See how much they insult Me and how much they offend Me ... There will be a relentless hellish (attack) against the devotion to the Sacred Heart. "

"There will be a book of the 'second celebration' by the infamous spirits who have crucified Me anew and who await the reign of a new Messiah to make them happy. Many holy priests will refuse this book sealed with the words of the abyss, but unfortunately there are those who will accept it, and it will be used."

"The Bishops betray. They will give their strength and their life to the fatal government."

"Today, I, Creator, God, I lose all the authority of My Powers. Today, I am the most despised and regarded as the most incapable of men."

"In a short time, on the threatened earth that is no longer strong, because the blasphemies that have shaken it, the iniquities and crimes have separated it piece by piece, in a short time on French soil, I will no longer be recognized; My adorable dignity will be desecrated. They will (do more to Me than on the day of My Passion); (then) they had given Me nothing but a scarlet robe. Before the century is over, long before, they will have covered Me in all sorts of insults. The religion that I had established, the Gospel that I preached, all this, they will tear apart under an appalling form, to make trembling, and they will throw all these infamous things on My shoulders and all over My Adorable Body. They will change My sufferings and My grief of My Passion, in writings that will shake the heart of the righteous and their peaks will crack pain, as the mountain, on the day of My Crucifixion. Before the year which bears a figure of consolation to My French people, before that epoch is sounded, the holy sacrifices of the altars will have taken an infernal form."

"In the streets, in cities, in the countryside and in all villages, the infectious poison of those cursed books will spread with an immensity and with a rapidity hotter than the sun's path, from sunrise to sunset."


Ecstasy date November 27, 1901. (NOTE: Other sources say this prophecy was given in 1902)

Our Lord to Marie-Julie Jahenny:

“I give you a warning even today. The disciples who are not of My Holy Gospel are now in a great work of the mind to form as the second facsimiles when they will make to their idea and under the influence of the enemy of souls, a Mass that contains words odious in My sight.

When the fatal hour arrives when they will put to the test the Faith of My eternal priesthood, it is these sheets that they will give to celebrate in this last period. The first period, it is that of My priesthood which exists since (or after) Me. The second, is the period of persecution when the enemies of the Faith and of Holy Religion have formulated - and they are strongly enforced - these sheets as the book of the second celebration, these infamous spirits (or, infamous minds) are those who crucified Me and who are waiting for the reign of the new Messiah to make them happy."

"Many of My holy priests will refuse this book sealed with the words of the abyss. Unfortunately, (they) will be the exception, it will be used."


On May 10, 1904, Our Lady describes the new clergy and its liturgy: 

"They will not stop on this hateful and sacrilegious road. They will go further to compromise all at once, and in one blow, the Holy Church, the clergy, and the Faith of my children." 

She announces the "dispersion of the pastors" by the Church herself; true pastors, who will be replaced by others formed by Hell: "...new preachers of new sacraments, new temples, new baptisms, new confraternities." 
Title: Re: A scientific Eucharistic miracle to rejoice about
Post by: Miseremini on August 09, 2025, 02:43:11 PM
Unless all these miracles involve hosts from the Traditional Latin Mass, offered by a priest ordained in the pre-Vatican II rite by a bishop who was consecrated in the traditional rite, this seriously calls into doubt the idea that the Novus Ordo is not a valid Eucharistic sacrifice, and calls into doubt the idea that the new rites of ordination and/or consecration are per se invalid.

Just saying.
Could not the Hosts be consecrated during a NO mess by a valid priest pronouncing the valid words of consecration?
What you describe is what we all hope for but is it possible?
Title: Re: A scientific Eucharistic miracle to rejoice about
Post by: AMDGJMJ on August 09, 2025, 03:10:50 PM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKxlqY-Tx5U/?igsh=MWs1Zmtrdndlb3YzNQ==
I saw the other comments before actually clicking the link...

Wow!  Only an "X" chromosome!  That is amazing and profound!  Thank you so much for sharing! 
Title: Re: A scientific Eucharistic miracle to rejoice about
Post by: Gray2023 on August 09, 2025, 04:24:13 PM
For those who are more scholarly

https://philarchive.org/archive/BUCFPT-4
Title: Re: A scientific Eucharistic miracle to rejoice about
Post by: Miseremini on August 09, 2025, 05:06:45 PM
Incredible! All these Eucharistic Miracles do indeed support the case that the New Rite Masses are valid. And by extension, the New Rite priests of these Masses are valid. The miracle of the 'X' only chromosome proves they are one and the same miracle: the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ.
Not necessarily.

Playing "devils advocate" here.

We know the devil can't create anything.
We know the devil can duplicate anything.
At Lourdes the devil duplicated apparitions of Mary seven times, but the church caught him.  He's done this in other locations also over the years.
It would be an easy feat for the devil to duplicate human blood type AB+, heart tissue, with only the X chromosome.  This lone X chromosome though would not be the result of the Heavenly Father's participation, but his.  Or all he had to do was duplicate the test results from the original Luciano miracle.
Thus he could truly deceive people about the validity of all things Vat II.
Below is the full video from which the original post (starting at 38:17) was taken and heavily edited.
Something to think about.  If I'm out to lunch please redirect me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyHqv0Dubzc
Title: Re: A scientific Eucharistic miracle to rejoice about
Post by: AnthonyPadua on August 09, 2025, 05:22:40 PM
Incredible! All these Eucharistic Miracles do indeed support the case that the New Rite Masses are valid. And by extension, the New Rite priests of these Masses are valid. The miracle of the 'X' only chromosome proves they are one and the same miracle: the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ.
This is false. Church teaching states that if any private revelation or miracle contradicts Catholic teaching in the slightest degree then it is a false miracle that comes from the devil.

Since the new rites have a POSITIVE doubt these miracles are fake and come from the devil. He has been allowed to do this to keep bad willed weak ignorant 'Catholics' with little to no faith in the false vatican 2 religion.

It is very easy for the devil to fool human instruments.
Title: Re: A scientific Eucharistic miracle to rejoice about
Post by: Gray2023 on August 09, 2025, 06:29:27 PM
I also found this article 

https://crisismagazine.com/opinion/exaggerations-and-eucharistic-miracles

Interesting that some bacteria can test like AB antigens in blood.
Title: Re: A scientific Eucharistic miracle to rejoice about
Post by: Ladislaus on August 09, 2025, 07:14:04 PM
Borat, the Modernist troll, continuing the apologetic for the Novus Ordo sect.  Shocking.

As others have pointed out, the Catholic attitude is that we don't shape our doctrine and theology in response to "miracles", but judge purported "miracles" by theology.  It's one of the FIRST thing the Church does in making a judgemt about such phenomena, holding it up to the light of Catholic doctrine.  If it fails there, you don't pass Go.

Several of these incontrovertible "miracles" were later demonstrated to have been bacteria and/or fungus.  You'll notice the nearly identical story in the two different Polish ones, where a host had been dropped on the ground, and then reserved somewhere, and then some time later there was some red discoloration found on it.  OK, when there's fungus and bacteria in your environment, dropping a host on the floor would contaminate it.  Speaking of mowing lawns (which Borat made a big production about doing in a skirt), you can see at certain times of the year (at least in my part of the country), that you'll see this red dust, a red fungus coating your lawn mower, and even your shoes, and quite possibly Borat's skirt.

But EVEN THEN, even IF these could be established with scientific certainty (they have not), it would be childsplay for a demon to simulate a miracle ... where all he'd have to do is to grab a sample of blood or tissue and apply it to to the host, perhaps swap out a bit of the bread.  Piece of cake for a demon.

Now, let's say the NOM is invalid.  Well, if I'm the devil, then I want to convince as many people as I can that it's valid.  How do I go about that?  Well, this would be one very effective way to do that ... as even Bishop Willaimson ended up being fooled by this nonsense.

(https://preview.redd.it/strange-orange-dust-after-mowing-v0-m2m74f0hognb1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8a903cffdfbeca1ad7e0edb2c3c882a3366160de)
Title: Re: A scientific Eucharistic miracle to rejoice about
Post by: Angelus on August 09, 2025, 08:11:53 PM
This Eucharistic Miracle stuff is part of the larger deception of the Antichrist. This is referred to in Apocalypse 13:13:
 (https://biblehub.com/revelation/13-13.htm)
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13 (https://biblehub.com/revelation/13-13.htm) And he did great signs, so that he made also fire to come down from heaven unto the earth in the sight of men

The "fire to come down from heaven" is a reference to Elijah on Mt. Carmel in his test of the False Priests of Baal (read the passage from 1 Kings 18:16-40 below).

Fire coming down from heaven is a figure of the consecration of the Eucharist. So the Apocalypse is saying that Antichrist will do what the False Priests of Baal failed to do. He will deceive people in to believing a Eucharistic consecration (miracle) occurs when it actually does not.

Bergoglio and his Buenos Aires fake "Eucharistic miracle" is the source of all of this. And the canonization of Carlo Acutis is the vehicle publicizing the fake event. The end goal, again, is to "validate" the Novus Ordo Eucharist and the Novus Ordo Mass as pleasing to God because of the Real Presence.

Sadly, most people, especially those with "itching ears (2 Timothy 4:3)," will fall for it.


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Elijah on Mount Carmel

16 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-16.htm)Abdias therefore went to meet Achab, and told him: and Achab came to meet Elias. 
17 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-17.htm)And when he had seen him, he said: Art thou he that troublest Israel?  18 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-18.htm)And he said: I have not troubled Israel, but thou and thy father's house, who have forsaken the commandments of the Lord, and have followed Baalim.
1 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-19.htm)9Nevertheless send now, and gather unto me all Israel, unto mount Carmel, and the prophets of Baal four hundred and fifty, and the prophets of the groves four hundred, who eat at Jezabel's table. 
20 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-20.htm)Achab sent to all the children of Israel, and gathered together the prophets unto mount Carmel.  21 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-21.htm)And Elias coming to all the people, said: How long do you halt between two sides? if the Lord be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people did not answer him a word.  22 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-22.htm)And Elias said again to the people: I only remain a prophet of the Lord: but the prophets of Baal are four hundred and fifty men.  23 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-23.htm)Let two bullocks be given us, and let them choose one bullock for themselves, and cut it in pieces and lay it upon wood, but put no fire under: and I will dress the other bullock, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under it.  24 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-24.htm)Call ye on the names of your gods, and I will call on the name of my Lord: and the God that shall answer by fire, let him be God. And all the people answering said: A very good proposal. 
25 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-25.htm)Then Elias said to the prophets of Baal: Choose you one bullock and dress it first, because you are many: and call on the names of your gods, but put no fire under.  26 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-26.htm)And they took the bullock which he gave them, and dressed it: and they called on the name of Baal from morning even till noon, saying: O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered: and they leaped over the altar that they had made.  27 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-27.htm)And when it was now noon, Elias jested at them, saying: Cry with a louder voice: for he is a God, and perhaps he is talking, or is in an inn, or on a journey, or perhaps he is asleep, and must be awaked. 28 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-28.htm)So they cried with a loud voice, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till they were all covered with blood.  29 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-29.htm)And after midday was past, and while they were prophesying, the time was come of offering sacrifice, and there was no voice heard, nor did any one answer, nor regard them as they prayed: 
30 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-30.htm)Elias said to all the people: Come se unto me. And the people coming near unto him, he repaired the altar of the Lord, that was broken down:  31 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-31.htm)And he took twelve stones according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, to whom the word of the Lord came, saying: Israel shall be thy name.  32 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-32.htm)And he built with the stones an altar to the name of the Lord: and he made a trench for water, of the breadth of two furrows round about the altar.  33 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-33.htm)And he laid the wood in order, and cut the bullock in pieces, and laid it upon the wood.  34 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-34.htm)And he said: Fill four buckets with water, and pour it upon the burnt offering, and upon the wood. And again he said: Do the same the second time. And when they had done it the second time, he said: Do the same also the third time. And they did so the third time. 
35 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-35.htm)And the water run round about the altar, and the trench was filled with water. 
36 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-36.htm)And when it was now time to offer the h0Ɩ0cαųst, Elias the prophet came near and said: O Lord God of Abraham, and Isaac, and Israel, shew this day that thou art the God of Israel, and I thy servant, and that according to thy commandment I have done all these things.  37 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-37.htm)Hear me, O Lord, hear me: that this people may learn, that thou art the Lord God, and that thou hast turned their heart again.  38 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-38.htm)Then the fire of the Lord fell, and consumed the h0Ɩ0cαųst, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.  39 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-39.htm)And when all the people saw this, they fell on their faces, and they said: The Lord he is God, the Lord he is God.  40 (https://biblehub.com/1_kings/18-40.htm)And Elias said to them: Take the prophets of Baal, and let not one of them escape. And when they had taken them, Elias brought them down to the torrent Cison, and killed them there.



Title: Re: A scientific Eucharistic miracle to rejoice about
Post by: SimpleMan on August 09, 2025, 10:49:38 PM
Borat, the Modernist troll, continuing the apologetic for the Novus Ordo sect.  Shocking.

As others have pointed out, the Catholic attitude is that we don't shape our doctrine and theology in response to "miracles", but judge purported "miracles" by theology.  It's one of the FIRST thing the Church does in making a judgemt about such phenomena, holding it up to the light of Catholic doctrine.  If it fails there, you don't pass Go.

Several of these incontrovertible "miracles" were later demonstrated to have been bacteria and/or fungus.  You'll notice the nearly identical story in the two different Polish ones, where a host had been dropped on the ground, and then reserved somewhere, and then some time later there was some red discoloration found on it.  OK, when there's fungus and bacteria in your environment, dropping a host on the floor would contaminate it.  Speaking of mowing lawns (which Borat made a big production about doing in a skirt), you can see at certain times of the year (at least in my part of the country), that you'll see this red dust, a red fungus coating your lawn mower, and even your shoes, and quite possibly Borat's skirt.

But EVEN THEN, even IF these could be established with scientific certainty (they have not), it would be childsplay for a demon to simulate a miracle ... where all he'd have to do is to grab a sample of blood or tissue and apply it to to the host, perhaps swap out a bit of the bread.  Piece of cake for a demon.

Now, let's say the NOM is invalid.  Well, if I'm the devil, then I want to convince as many people as I can that it's valid.  How do I go about that?  Well, this would be one very effective way to do that ... as even Bishop Willaimson ended up being fooled by this nonsense.

(https://preview.redd.it/strange-orange-dust-after-mowing-v0-m2m74f0hognb1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8a903cffdfbeca1ad7e0edb2c3c882a3366160de)

I had the exact same thing happen.  I'd baked some cornbread and left it in a plastic container in the refrigerator longer than I realized.  When I went to open it up for my meal, there were big splotches of red mold on it, just like in at least one alleged "miracle" where they discovered that the red spots were not blood, but naturally occurring mold.