Well ggreg, do you know of any engineer grads getting hired right after graduation? Or Maths? Or Chemists? I in fact know of none, I do know of an accountant waiting tables and an engineer who isn't engineering. But I do know that with a liberal arts degree you aren't confined to a particular profession or "job." Not to mention you become "educated" and have the ability to think critically. Also it seems to be one of the only Catholic colleges around, I hear people on this forum complaining about how awful college is in general and it seems these other places offer all the "practical" stuff. So which is it? go to a party school booze up and get loaded every night and become "practical" and unemployed. Or go learn how to be a better Catholic among Catholics while being truly educated? Which one?

I know plenty of engineering/math/science sorts who've graduated within the last 10 years and have jobs in their fields. In fact, I'm not sure I know anyone in those categories not working in their chosen fields unless by choice.

My brother graduated with an engineering degree in 2005. I think he actually had hoped to have a little "down time", but he found a job pretty quick. He nows runs an engineering business with my other brother and last I checked, they were looking to replace a retiring member of their team.

My SIL, cousin, and friend are all math majors with master's degrees. They all teach -- two in high school and one teaching basic-basic-basic college math. In some places, you can get a job teaching math without having the necessary certification if you agree to work toward your certification with evening and summer classes. This goes for science teachers as well.

Another cousin finished optometry school, worked for other people for perhaps a year, and then opened a new practice about a year ago... loving it and says business is great.

I left accounting nearly eight years ago, but I still get the occassional inquiry as to whether or not I'd be interesed in PT work.

This is not to say I'm against the Catholic school -- I don't know much about it -- but science and math degrees aren't the dead-end you make them out to be.

"An education without the humanities prepares one only for servile occupations." -- Nicolás Gómez Dávila

"An education without the humanities prepares one only for servile occupations." -- Nicolás Gómez Dávila

You indict yourself with this citation. You are someone whose learning consists of skimming book-jacket copy and pretending you know what's on the pages between the covers. (I guess you've never found any hardcover editions of Molière.)

One can but wonder what occupation or trade, "servile" or otherwise, would be a good match for your "skills." After all, poolrooms and pole-dancing clubs don't hire many staff philosophers.

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"An education without the humanities prepares one only for servile occupations." -- Nicolás Gómez Dávila

You indict yourself with this citation. You are someone whose learning consists of skimming book-jacket copy and pretending you know what's on the pages between the covers. (I guess you've never found any hardcover editions of Molière.)

One can but wonder what occupation or trade, "servile" or otherwise, would be a good match for your "skills." After all, poolrooms and pole-dancing clubs don't hire many staff philosophers.

That is completely out of line, and out of connection to realty.  Even when I disagree with him, it is clear to me that PereJoseph is one of the most erudite people here.  

That is completely out of line, and out of connection to reality.  Even when I disagree with him, it is clear to me that PereJoseph is one of the most erudite people here.

That's just the point, Sigismund. I don't think he is anything of the sort. (For one thing, he'd have quite a different screen name if he were as you describe him.) Indeed, I believe him to be deceptive and as venomous as an adder.

I am well aware that I hold a minority opinion on this matter. Should the day ever come that I find myself agreeing with you and his many other fans that he's not simply another Tartuffe, I'll state it plainly. I honestly don't expect to live so long, however.

I grant this much: he is fortunate to have you as a defender.

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That is completely out of line, and out of connection to reality.  Even when I disagree with him, it is clear to me that PereJoseph is one of the most erudite people here.

That's just the point, Sigismund. I don't think he is anything of the sort. (For one thing, he'd have quite a different screen name if he were as you describe him.) Indeed, I believe him to be deceptive and as venomous as an adder.

Didn't you once also think that Graham wasn't a real person ?  This is just more innuendo.  If you have any concrete accusation against me, I invite you to make it.  Perhaps you think I don't attend a traditional chapel or that the personal details I have divulged to the forum are fabricated.  In which way have I misrepresented myself or pretended to something false ?

I grant this much: he is fortunate to have you as a defender.

Indeed.  I am grateful to have some of the most reputable and lucid people on this forum as my defenders, notably Graham.  Perhaps a discernment of spirits would be instructive, then.

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Didn't you once also think that Graham wasn't a real person ?

Claudel and I resolved that issue. I hope the same can happen here.

Me too.