Author Topic: A question about girls wearing T-shirts? (Read 14355 times)

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #90 on:** May 18, 2013, 10:27:49 PM »

Quote from: Tiffany

There are evil ideologies & forces behind many fashions today. The sodomites & feminist do not hide this.

This part is indisputable.

Quote from: Tiffany

A t-shirt is not modest wear for grown women.

This part isn't.

Sigismund · « **Reply #91 on:** May 18, 2013, 10:31:53 PM »

19 pages on T shirts. Really?

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #92 on:** May 18, 2013, 10:34:59 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

19 pages on T shirts. Really?

Yeah I kind of think it's silly too, but I think the more important issue is that the OP was having some kind of "fun" co-ed youth group involving physical contact (however incidental it may seem).

brainglitch · « **Reply #93 on:** May 19, 2013, 12:23:58 AM »

Quote from: Sigismund

19 pages on T shirts. Really?

Classic Cathinfo thread. Kind of sad, really.

Nadir · « **Reply #94 on:** May 19, 2013, 01:42:17 AM »

The issue of body contact sports involving members of both sexes, is one which Tiffany has already dealt with, satisfactorily, I thought.

Is the game you wish to join in the "fun" of a body-contact sport, Angel9?

If so, you would be wise to take Tiffany's advice and sit it out. You can have fun without becoming "one of the boys". Besides boys will be much more appreciative of you if you act like a girl.

Mixed sport is possible, tennis being an example of a sport which does not involve body contact.

I am 67 years old and I've had a lot of fun in my life but never taken part in body sports with men. It was simply unheard of when I was growing up and a teenager. I am pleased that parents will be in attendamce but remember that some parents do not have the wisdom of past years because they too were brought up to think in terms of uni-sex.

A t-shirt can be immodest if it is tight or clingy material as it will them show your outline.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #95 on:** May 19, 2013, 04:12:46 AM »

This thread is a good example of the way in which people will go against traditional values (for example, the value that did not consider t-shirts to be acceptable dress for women for hundreds of years when society was more Christian) in order to go along with authority figures. We really shouldn't be surprised that the SSPX has gotten away with doing what's it's done to the resistance priests in the minds of its warped followers when we see this very dynamic on this very thread.

It's very easy for someone in a prominent position to rally people to the loose position and attack the stricter position, and usually by means of attack on the personality of the person with the stricter position.

t-shirts are bed clothes and underclothes. t-shirts are light fabric that do not fit and cover as traditional clothes because they are thin and loose, typically worn untucked, typically conveying an air of slovenness. t-shirts are unisex (just like pants). t-shirts are not traditional. There's nothing Mary-like in the wearing of the t-shirt. T-shirts wouldn't have been worn by Catholic women of the past.

A teenage girl cracking open a six-pack of beer with her friends in a t-shirt is A-OK for these people. Pants, on the other hand, "are an abomination for women".

I would feel self-conscious wearing a t-shirt in mixed company, (and not just because I'm currently fat!). If my natural modesty is more than these girls they have a big problem.

You want to throw out centuries of tradition to defend sloven dress. The "arguments" (rather invective) Matthew used to defend t-shirts could have been taken word for word from fisheaters posters to defend pants.

You people should really think about the viciousness of the attacks launched against me simply for believing in a higher standard of dress. What it shows you is how quickly "trads" can be made to move towards a more liberal position, scornful of traditional standards (as opposed to a moderate position, which would be more legitimate than the scorn displayed in this thread) when under the influence of authorities.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #96 on:** May 19, 2013, 07:30:00 AM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

This thread is a good example of the way in which people will go against traditional values (for example, the value that did not consider t-shirts to be acceptable dress for women for hundreds of years when society was more Christian) in order to go along with authority figures. We really shouldn't be surprised that the SSPX has gotten away with doing what's it's done to the resistance priests in the minds of its warped followers when we see this very dynamic on this very thread.

It's very easy for someone in a prominent position to rally people to the loose position and attack the stricter position, and usually by means of attack on the personality of the person with the stricter position.

t-shirts are bed clothes and underclothes. t-shirts are light fabric that do not fit and cover as traditional clothes because they are thin and loose, typically worn untucked, typically conveying an air of slovenness. t-shirts are unisex (just like pants). t-shirts are not traditional. There's nothing Mary-like in the wearing of the t-shirt. T-shirts wouldn't have been worn by Catholic women of the past.

A teenage girl cracking open a six-pack of beer with her friends in a t-shirt is A-OK for these people. Pants, on the other hand, "are an abomination for women".

I would feel self-conscious wearing a t-shirt in mixed company, (and not just because I'm currently fat!). If my natural modesty is more than these girls they have a big problem.

You want to throw out centuries of tradition to defend sloven dress. The "arguments" (rather invective) Matthew used to defend t-shirts could have been taken word for word from fisheaters posters to defend pants.

You people should really think about the viciousness of the attacks launched against me simply for believing in a higher standard of dress. What it shows you is how quickly "trads" can be made to move towards a more liberal position, scornful of traditional standards (as opposed to a moderate position, which would be more legitimate than the scorn displayed in this thread) when under the influence of authorities.

Tele, I wear loose fitting long toga-type t-shirts, and I don't ever wear pants. There is nothing immodest about my t-shirts, tyvm. And I didn't personally attack you. Stop trying to play a martyr.

And tele, not everyone has a 6 pack like you. Some of us ladies who have had 8 pregnancies don't like "tucking our shirts in." I think if you saw a woman tuck her shirt in with a skirt with my abs, you would be singing a different song.

She would look a lot better with her shirt untucked.

Tiffany · « **Reply #97 on:** May 19, 2013, 07:55:07 AM »

PFT even "loose" it's still a garment that has been designed from men's underwear. I don't even like the "t-shirt" dresses they adapt and make for little girls.

T shirts are usually made from a knitted fabric which clings and stretches. I find knitted fabrics to be immodest to wear (except for outer clothing like a coat or shawl) outside of my bedroom. Woven fabrics stretch and cling less.

Tiffany · « **Reply #98 on:** May 19, 2013, 07:58:39 AM »

Now I have "learn to knit" advertisements showing!

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #99 on:** May 19, 2013, 08:37:10 AM »

Sorry, but t-shirts like these are not immodest, and do not look like underwear.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #100 on:** May 19, 2013, 10:28:53 AM »

Quote from: Roland Deschain

And now the poor Tele the martyr act, "trads" is quotation marks for those who dare to disagree with him......next he'll be referring to people as cult members.

It's not about disagreement. The other side is engaging in personal attacks, using exactly the MO of the fisheaters posters on subjects like pants.

What it shows you is how pliable and predictable trads are. And yes, quite nasty, as this post of yours further demonstrates.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #101 on:** May 19, 2013, 10:34:41 AM »

Anyone who understands the implications of Bishop Fellay's preamble and general chapter conditions, while claiming that Bishop Fellay is still resisting Vatican II and the new mass, and does so knowingly, is someone who is fundamentally dishonest.

If he participates in the effort to smear and ostracize those who stand up against the betrayal of Catholic doctrine, then he acts like a member of a cult.

It's typical +Fellay cult behavior: flagrant dishonesty and vile persecution of those who refuse to be cowed from telling the truth.

The Mrs · « **Reply #102 on:** May 19, 2013, 11:31:52 AM »

Our priest, who is quite strict about modesty, has spoken from the pulpit about modesty on quite a few occasions. He said he finds it edifying to see women wear a tee shirt underneath a dress or shirt that doesn't meet the modesty standards by itself. So in this case, it is more of an "underwear" type of garment.

In the book, "Dressing With Dignity", Colleen Hammond discourages tee shirts with wording on them. It may not be outright immodest, leading others to sin, but it goes against the feminine nature of not trying to advertise, draw attention to oneself. Also, with certain prints, one may ask where does the print on the shirt lead the eye? I don't have the book in front of me, but she gives several standards for determining if a shirt is properly modest in the way it fits.

Napoli · « **Reply #103 on:** May 19, 2013, 11:40:18 AM »

Colleen Hammond gave a talk at our church a while ago. My daughter's and wife went. I don't agree with half of what she said. She makes claims without any substance.
Tshirts evil? Let's use prudence people! Tight revealing ones are bad. Loose ones that cover up are fine. Make sense?
The traditional movement gets caught up on the mole hills and loses sight of the mountains sometimes.
Pax.

Frances · « **Reply #104 on:** May 19, 2013, 11:52:45 AM »

A suggestion for ladies who sew:-

If you like the comfort and flexibility of the T-shirt, but not the lack of femininity or lack of dignity, buy t-shirt material (or an inexpensive man's t-shirt in a way-too-large size) and make yourself a button-up or faux button-up blouse. If you plan to be very active, exercise or to be lifting, etc. make it longer than normal. If you want to look dressy, buy printed material according to your needs.
Very cool, comfotable, and modest dresses and skirts can be made from T-shirt knits.

Happy sewing!
Frances.