Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti

Quote from: ShepherdofSheep

I don't see how T-shirts can be such a controversial topic.  I wear them all the time.  It's the only thing really practical to wear for many things I do- especially work that requires short or rolled up sleeves, when it's very warm outside.  T-shirts are not traditional, but that doesn't make them immoral.  

Considering the many problems in the world today, I don't think that how men and women attire themselves, as long as it is modest and suitable, should be such a concern.  Do you think that on my Judgement Day, Our Lord is going to be concerned with whether I wore a green T-shirt when I was shearing sheep?  Even if it did have completely unobjectionable print on it?  

Just because something wasn't done before VII doesn't mean that to do it now is immoral!  If that's the case, I certainly shouldn't be on this computer right now.  

Some trad Catholics have a very gloomy and strange view of how we should live.  I've even heard some say that it's often objectionable to laugh and that to show one's teeth when they smile is uncouth.  I really don't undertand that point of view.

No, we will even be judged for how we dress at home.

Please note that I said "as long as it is modest and suitable".  Obviously, to wear immodest clothing is a sin, and as such, we will be judged for it.

A modest T-shirt is not sinful.  Objectively, it covers all that it needs to and as long as it fits properly, there is absolutely no immodesty involved.  

I know that some people feel that it is very important to be dressed extremely well all the time, and view T-shirts and such as casual clothes that have no business being worn under normal circuмstances.  They are welcome to their opinion.  However, there is no Church dogma stating that to wear casual clothing in your normal day-to-day life is a sin.  It's a preference.  We are given free will and may exercise it as we please.  

Women aren't under an obligation to dress extremely attractively all the time.  

Yeah, I edited my response, so please disregard what I wrote. I misunderstood what you were saying.

Yeah, I edited my response, so please disregard what I wrote. I misunderstood what you were saying.

That's okay, I have those moments too.  I just wanted to clarify.  :)

Angel,
I have spent a good portion of my adult life finding, volunteering, and sometimes organizing/coordinating/setting up social/sports/game events for my child.
Now that he is a little older I've also done a small bit for young ladies that we know.
It's inappropriate for young women and men to be playing sports together like that. Again I encourage you and your sister to sit out, and do not participate.

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that might be immpossible to do, since 15 kids who are all very good friends are getting together every month to spend quality time with one another, it would be a shame to not participate [/quote]

ETA: I think it's great there is an organized social time for the youth.

Be sure there are adult (parent's age not young adult) chaperones there.

What about having a meal or dessert together, singing, doing crafts with the girls like scrapbooking, a service project, chess, checkers, scrabble. Let the young men play sports together and you can do something else with your girlfriends.

The view of t-shirts as being underwear and vulgar for outer wear is definitely rooted in a subjective preference for an era rather than a true aspect of the Faith or Catholic tradition.

T-shirts normally have sleeves and higher necklines. It's easy to find styles that are not form-fitting. There's not much that can be argued against them in terms of modesty. They don't have to be thin or slovenly, unless you specifically buy thin or slovenly looking ones. Nor do they have to be billboards if you don't want those. That it would not have been done in the 50's is the closest thing to a real argument presented here against them but that doesn't stand alone as definitive. It would if the goal of a traditional Catholic were simply to return to the 50's but it's not.

I can understand having personal preferences, but t-shirts are so varied in use, design and fabric now, it's pretty impossible to make any kind of blanket statements about them.

I can't think of any trad girl I know who wouldn't wear a jean skirt and t-shirt to a casual afternoon like that.

This thread is one of the funniest things I have read in a long, long time.

Threads like these are the reason why every time I look at Cathinfo I can't help but think of all of the old ugly Pharisees from The Passion of the Christ.

So I take it you think t-shirts on women and coed sports are fine, but you are the same one who denies that St. Mary's is liberalizing.

They weren't fine for our ancestors.

You're part of the cult group that says that Vatican II enlightens Catholic Tradition and that the New Mass was legitimately promulgated, while its leaders within a few months say the New Mass is evil and speak against Vatican II.

You're a mind-numbed cultist looking for an excuse to smear Catholics as pharisees for not approving post-Vatican II slackness in dress.

You can't even admit flagrant dishonesty staring you in the face, that's how members of the cult operate.  They're proud of being willfully blind.

And if it means smearing someone else as a pharisee for believing in traditional standards of decorum, in order to cover up for the cult, you do it in a heart beat.

Friends of mine live on a farm. They have animals and plants of every kind. -) The girls only wear dresses. They have home/work dresses, going out for errands dresses, and church dresses.
 Their home dresses, sweaters, and jackets are very worn. It's not about dressing extremely attractive all the time.

So what does it matter if a woman dresses-down while at home?

A T-shirt isn't immodest; that's all there is to it.

Do you never wear T-shirts, Tiffany?

are full length pajamas immodest?

FWIW, I'm against co-ed sports, for reasons of principle.

It has to do with behavior, modesty, the difference between the sexes, proper training for adult life, etc.

Tele, are you TRYING to throw straw man arguments out there?