Do you think that girls should wear T-shirts, or do you think that makes them look manly? :boxer:






(please don't give me a thumbs down, I am just asking a innocent question)  

Do you mean those Hanes 3-packs of white T-shirts? Those are kind of thin, usually.

If you're talking about more solid ones, that come in various colors, sometimes with designs or print on them, and are usually a bit more baggy, I don't see what anyone could object to. (unless they were old & thin, too tight, or had vulgar messages on them)

A loose-fitting T-shirt is quite modest. It would go well with a denim or other skirt, especially if you're going to be working/playing outdoors.

Not every woman can find (or make) affordable dresses. Skirt/shirt combination is much more reasonable to come by. Especially depending on the woman's figure.

We can't expect women to wear their nice "Sunday" clothes 24/7. That is simply too expensive.

Unless the man is wealthy, of course. You know -- someone who aspires to live in the city, make 6 figures, etc. We have someone like that on CathInfo, and he doesn't get along very well with Telesphorus.

We can ask women to be modest -- to conceal rather than reveal, don't be too vain, etc.

What we CAN'T reasonably ask is for them to be some kind of objects for our visual pleasure and amusement -- to flit around in nothing but frilly dresses because that's what "turns us on" or what we have a "thing" for.

Do you know that many women object to MODEST CLOTHING for that very reason? They confuse men asking for modesty with men trying to put them on a pedestal, or wanting women to conform to their own "hang-ups".

Which is why we should always distinguish. It's not about what I/we "prefer", it's not about our "hang-ups", it's about being objectively modest and not leading men into sin.

There's nothing traditional about defending women wearing t-shirts and saying that it requires being well-off to wear more than a t-shirt!

Some people are clearly becoming argumentative for the sake of scoring points.

Did women typically go about in t-shirts before Vatican II, regardless of their level of income?

Printed t-shirts are some of the tackiest clothes a person (any person) can wear.

The Catholic Church doesn't dictate a particular fashion for women.

All it does dictate is MORALITY and the standards of MODESTY.

Women have plenty of leeway to come up with various patterns of fabric that will do the job (modesty).

Women don't have to look like Little House on the Prairie, or any other century. But they DO have to look modest, even if that means standing out like a sore thumb.

You can throw accusations around all day long, but you're not talking with a liberal. I believe women must always wear skirts or dresses, even at home. Pants and shorts are an abomination for women (unless they wear them under said skirt/dress)

I don't know what exactly you have a problem with regarding T-shirts.

You say T-shirts are immodest. Pray tell why? They don't show off any of the female form.

I think we're talking about two different things.

Have I banned too many liberals from CathInfo? -- you seem to be itching to have a few around to argue with. You're even starting to snipe at your own side.

The Catholic Church doesn't dictate a particular fashion for women.

So then, you accept jeans and a t-shirt for women?

I could say the same thing about opposition to pants.

All it does dictate is MORALITY and the standards of MODESTY.

Common sense comes under prudence.  If you don't have the common sense of our ancestors who didn't think it fitting for women to wear t-shirts, I can't help you.

Women have plenty of leeway to come up with various patterns of fabric that will do the job (modesty).

Women don't have to look like Little House on the Prairie, or any other century.

Straw man.

But they DO have to look modest, even if that means standing out like a sore thumb.

You can throw accusations around all day long, but you're not talking with a liberal.

I believe women must always wear skirts or dresses, even at home. Pants and shorts are an abomination for women (unless they wear them under said skirt/dress)

So much for the Church not dictating fashion then.

I don't know what exactly you have a problem with regarding T-shirts.

You say T-shirts are immodest. Pray tell why? They don't show off any of the female form.

They give the impression of being sloven.  

Of course they show off the female form to some degree.  They are thin hanging materials.

I think we're talking about two different things.

A buxom woman wearing a t-shirt is not being modest.

No one here is going to be defending men wearing "wife-beaters" and only a few would even defend men wearing t-shirts.

Is a big muscular man in a t-shirt being modest?  Not really.

Tele, I know, I know, women should always wear a full-length Burqa. Anything less gives away the full female form, leaving nothing to the imagination.

If you think a loose-fitting, solid color T-shirt gives away the female form, then MAN you need to get married. Like yesterday.

When I hear stuff like this, I really feel sorry for you.

Like my momma always said... never argue with a c... Telesphorus.