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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: poche on October 07, 2012, 05:12:54 AM
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What are you doing to bring Christ into the world? What type of representation of the Catholic church do the members of this forum make of the Catholic Church when they are not reading or posting on the forum?
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What are you doing to bring Christ into the world? What type of representation of the Catholic church do the members of this forum make of the Catholic Church when they are not reading or posting on the forum?
That is a good question Poche. I have been visiting here to understand the movement more and I would love to hear.
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What are you doing to bring Christ into the world? What type of representation of the Catholic church do the members of this forum make of the Catholic Church when they are not reading or posting on the forum?
OK, since you asked the question, you go first.
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I try to bring Christ into the world mainly within my family. I support my husband in his interactions with the world and as leader of our family. I teach my children and try to set a good example for them. I also help with my grandchildren.
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I try to spread the truth to my friends and family no matter how uncomfortable it maybe for them
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What are you doing to bring Christ into the world?
Not enough, if I'm honest with myself.
What type of representation of the Catholic church do the members of this forum make of the Catholic Church when they are not reading or posting on the forum?
I try to live a life that is upright, and to speak of the veracity and necessity of the Catholic faith wherever possible.
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Yesterday, I taught the children of my catachism class how to pray the rosary. I hope they put what they learned into practice.
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Yesterday, I taught the children of my catachism class how to pray the rosary. I hope they put what they learned into practice.
And when ye pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites, that love to stand and pray in the ѕуηαgσgυєs and corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men: Amen I say to you, they have received their reward.
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Yesterday, I taught the children of my catachism class how to pray the rosary. I hope they put what they learned into practice.
And when ye pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites, that love to stand and pray in the ѕуηαgσgυєs and corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men: Amen I say to you, they have received their reward.
you need a hobby! :sign-surrender:
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Yesterday, I taught the children of my catachism class how to pray the rosary. I hope they put what they learned into practice.
A good start.
Now, begin or end each catechism class with a decade of the Holy Rosary. Lead them, and by doing this, you can inculcate the good practice of regularly saying the Holy Rosary.
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What are you doing to bring Christ into the world? What type of representation of the Catholic church do the members of this forum make of the Catholic Church when they are not reading or posting on the forum?
We are ordered to perform works of mercy. "Bring Christ into the world" sounds evangelical protestant to me as far as it applying to people who are not priests, brothers or sisters. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here.
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Yesterday, I taught the children of my catachism class how to pray the rosary. I hope they put what they learned into practice.
A good start.
Now, begin or end each catechism class with a decade of the Holy Rosary. Lead them, and by doing this, you can inculcate the good practice of regularly saying the Holy Rosary.
Just make sure you slow down. :laugh1: What is with cradle Catholics and their prayer speeds?
There are many crafts about the Rosary too that might help reinforce what you are teaching.
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What are you doing to bring Christ into the world? What type of representation of the Catholic church do the members of this forum make of the Catholic Church when they are not reading or posting on the forum?
As an example I read and contemplate the Eleison Comments, and post or read it to people whenever possible. Like this :
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Eleison Comments XXXIV, 23 February 2008
True Anti-Semitism
Most people seeing how Pope Benedict XVI has changed the Church’s Good Friday prayer for the Jєωs will think he has been their friend, because the change was in a direction demanded by spokesmen of theirs, who made themselves heard. However, for any Catholic who has the Catholic Faith, Benedict XVI has been in this not their friend but their enemy.
The difference is quite simply the difference between our brief life here below, and life everlasting: For purposes of this life, lasting for each of us, let us say, 70 years, he has been their friend, because by, for instance, taking out of the 1962 text the references to the Jєωs’ “blindness”, “darkness” and “the veil over their hearts”, he has softened the Church’s solemn criticism of their condition. On the other hand by the same softening he will also have diminished Catholics’ awareness of how especially Jєωs need the charity of Catholics’ prayers.
For indeed from Adam to world’s end, faith in the one and only Redeemer, to come or having come, can alone save any soul from eternal damnation, unless that soul lives without serious sin and is honestly ignorant of the Redeemer. But honest ignorance presents a particular difficulty for the Jєωs who had all the privileges of the Old Testament to prepare them for the coming of their Messiah, Jesus Christ, and who ever since have had to put “the veil over their hearts” in order not to recognize him in the multiple prophecies of their Old Testament, notably Isaiah LIII.
Therefore the recent Good Friday liturgy change, by diminishing Catholics’ awareness of that real “veil”, etc, has done a disservice to Jєωs’ eternal salvation. In this respect of the Catholic Faith, Benedict XVI has, objectively, shown himself to be against the Jєωs purely as Jєωs. Is there any other possible true definition of the expression “αnтι-ѕємιтє”?
Sacred Heart of Jesus, between now and world’s end, grant to your Church many martyrs to die for the eternal salvation of your racial kinsmen, beloved by you! Kyrie eleison.
Bishop Richard Williamson
La Reja, Argentinia
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Eleison Comments XXXV, 1 March 2008
False Anti-Semitism
When “Eleison Comments” last week argued that insofar as Pope Bnedict XVI's Good Friday prayer change worked against the eternal salvation of Jєωs, he had proved himself -- no doubt unintentionally -- to be a true αnтι-ѕємιтє, ie enemy of Jєωs purely as Jєωs, a number of readers apparently agreed. I congratulate them, because they had to be thinking with their Catholic minds instead of merely emoting with their (objectively) vile media. Let us think a little further.
Obviously, the basic principles apply to all men and not just to Jєωs: to wish them eternal salvation is to love them truly, because it is to wish them the greatest good of all, namely everlasting happiness in Heaven, through and with Our Lord Jesus Christ. To wish them welfare or prosperity merely in this little life on earth is to love them much less, especially if that worldly success would get in the way of their eternal salvation, as it all too easily can do -- Mt.XIX, 24.
But fewer and fewer people today believe in life everlasting, or in Our Lord, so naturally the perspective of such people is different. If I urge upon them eternal life, or if I do what I prudently can to obstruct their campaigning against Our Lord, then I will seem to them to be their enemy when I am in fact their best friend. It is all a question of perspective, but it is not a question of opinion: the eternal perspective is true, while the anti-Christian perspective is objectively and absolutely false.
Now ever since the Jєωs were responsible for the crucifying of Our Lord Jesus Christ -- “His blood be upon us and upon our children”, Mt.XXVII,25 -- they have as a race and as a religion, always with noble exceptions, continued to reject him down to our day. Thus St. Paul observed that they not only “killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets”, but they also prohibited St. Paul himself from “speaking to the Gentiles so as to save them”. In brief, their behavior was such that “they please not God and are adversaries to men” (I Thess. II,14-16). Closer to our own time, it is a matter of historical record that the designing and launching of, for instance, Communism, to wrest mankind away from God and to replace his Heaven with a man-made paradise, was largely their achievement.
So they persecuted St. Paul at every turn (see Acts of the Apostles) as being one of their arch-enemies, when in fact nobody loved them more truly or labored more for their real well-being than did St. Paul (cf. Rom. IX,1-5). Similarly today, they will call an “αnтι-ѕємιтє” anybody who gets in the way of any godlessness of theirs, when in fact all people laboring for their salvation, as for the salvation of Gentiles, are their best friends. St Paul, pray for us! Kyrie eleison.
Bishop Richard Williamson
La Reja, Argentinia
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What are you doing to bring Christ into the world? What type of representation of the Catholic church do the members of this forum make of the Catholic Church when they are not reading or posting on the forum?
well, depends, but would be my guess they see a fractured and :fryingpan: :argue: people, enamored really with the world, a few anti-women zealots and Neo-nαzιs. The outside would see people that seem to exist to argue, complain, attack and crab. Scratch the surface of a Trad, you find a puritan was a good quote heard not long ago......
You would find people here that pervert the good, Catholic understanding of race, ethnicityand nationalism, perverting it into some sort of worlding, unChristian thought and always hiding under a thin veil. They would see here at CI that we cannot seem to discuss and even, disagree w/each other w/o the recriminations, attacks and accusations of heresy.
Notice the temperate posters like Stevus, Vlad,etc are not here much....or that GV left for a long time and even now, not here as much......or that I left, came back and now 2 months later, am getting the same :really-mad2: negativity that some here seem to live with? regeretting my return more and more......certain people here, far from striving to live a Catholic life are in fact, a mess and like it that way, deep down. They thrive in dissension and chaos and bring other people down to their level. They are not Trads, but use it to try to find stabilization for their hectic lives, then hate it for what is required of them..
Watch, you will see them for what they really are in their responses to my post-watch their words, language, implicaitons,etc.....Marcelino the other day sent me a PM, contents are between he and I, but he noted something was off with me-noted besides fighting a virus and feeling lousy, that this forum was brining me down.
So, though I could go on and on, one would get out of this forum a sense of faulty people struggling to learn,live the faith, but people that are soo :fryingpan: :argue: :dwarf: that most would not want to be a part of that negativity, if this is true Catholicism, THEY WOULD SAY, then no thanks.........one has to balance the role of fighter/defender, with meekness and modesty.......St. Paul had some words on that about a clanging cymbal, and he was not wimpy...
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Yesterday, I taught the children of my catachism class how to pray the rosary. I hope they put what they learned into practice.
And when ye pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites, that love to stand and pray in the ѕуηαgσgυєs and corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men: Amen I say to you, they have received their reward.
Telesphorus,
are you saying teaching kids to pray the rosary is bad? Or are you saying it is bad to share that happiness here --WITH CATHOLICS?? What does this mean--I may be misundarstanding but it sounds snarky to me. God Bless all the catechism teachers who share the joy of our Blessed Mother with children.
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Tele is not really a happy fellow......
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I believe the one thing that makes people judge our church is US. How do they see us treat the least of our brothers.
St Francis and Blessed Mother Teresa both said Preach the Gospel and if necessary, use words.
I work on the line at an abortion clinic. We have saved over 300 babies this year with loving treatment to the women vs screeching murderer.
I run a soup kitchen with my family on Wednesdays because the sisters need a break.
I teach special needs children catechism, and teach confirmation classes.
I support people who choose life over the culture of death.
I know when I face judgement, a plus on my side will be that some have converted to the ways of Christ because of my actions, that I did love as Jesus commanded.
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Tele is not really a happy fellow......
He does seem to have suffered through some difficult experiences. On the other hand, he is intelligent and insightful. I often see people direct comments to him that seem purposefully hurtful rather than discuss his ideas.
While I do think he is being overly harsh with poche, I have enough respect for Tele that I do not automatically dismiss his concerns.
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Tele is not really a happy fellow......
He does seem to have suffered through some difficult experiences. On the other hand, he is intelligent and insightful. I often see people direct comments to him that seem purposefully hurtful rather than discuss his ideas.
While I do think he is being overly harsh with poche, I have enough respect for Tele that I do not automatically dismiss his concerns.
Nor I and yes, he is intelligent, would agree there too, but when it comes to dsicussions of romance, marriage, etc and SSPX, his hurt comes through and usually, :fryingpan:
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I believe the one thing that makes people judge our church is US. How do they see us treat the least of our brothers.
St Francis and Blessed Mother Teresa both said Preach the Gospel and if necessary, use words.
I work on the line at an abortion clinic. We have saved over 300 babies this year with loving treatment to the women vs screeching murderer.
I run a soup kitchen with my family on Wednesdays because the sisters need a break.
I teach special needs children catechism, and teach confirmation classes.
I support people who choose life over the culture of death.
I know when I face judgement, a plus on my side will be that some have converted to the ways of Christ because of my actions, that I did love as Jesus commanded.
True, liberal Catholics are great welcoming, but no sound theology and they turn off people that would normally be open to the Church over this.......Trads tend to be consistently :really-mad2: and :shocked:, in turn, their actions and words are a turn off....
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I believe the one thing that makes people judge our church is US. How do they see us treat the least of our brothers.
St Francis and Blessed Mother Teresa both said Preach the Gospel and if necessary, use words.
I work on the line at an abortion clinic. We have saved over 300 babies this year with loving treatment to the women vs screeching murderer.
I run a soup kitchen with my family on Wednesdays because the sisters need a break.
I teach special needs children catechism, and teach confirmation classes.
I support people who choose life over the culture of death.
I know when I face judgement, a plus on my side will be that some have converted to the ways of Christ because of my actions, that I did love as Jesus commanded.
True, liberal Catholics are great welcoming, but no sound theology and they turn off people that would normally be open to the Church over this.......Trads tend to be consistently :really-mad2: and :shocked:, in turn, their actions and words are a turn off....
I am not sure I would agree liberal Catholics are welcoming--cliquishness and territorialism exists in most churches. But I disagree about the sound theology--many NO are true to the teachings of the church. Not all are properly catechised, as a whole generation was lost (mine, but for the seminarian turned Dad and several priests and sisters in our family).
A lot is dependent upon the priests. Our parish has been swamped with Trad catholics lately as our priest and our adoration chapels have somehow attracted one who told another and so on. That inspired me to learn more. But I will tell you that the TRAD men treat the other parishoners like dirt. They sneer, make comments and are very mean. They make cruel comments to the female altar servers--young girls--tell me--how does that make the girls feel? The altar servers (whether you agree or not) are operating under the proper assumption that their local Bishop--a Cardinal in fact--is the authority and therefore allowed to make such decisions. And that is the teaching. Every time I see these things I think--you have lost your hope of promoting the TRAD cause because you don't know how to communicate with charity, and you act as though you know more than the local bishop. There is a difference between instructing the ignorant and bulldozing them...also then, I just wonder, why come to this church if you hate so much of it??
I think all schisms of Catholic and Orthodox had better start looking at what we have in common, BODY BLOOD SOUL AND DIVINITY and start being more functional and less fractured--we are soon to be fighting for the freedom of ALL religion, and instead we are arguing over dress lengths and Friday fasts.
I truly believe we are fighting for the religious lives of our children and their children.
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True, enough in cliques........noticed I get the cold shoulder most of time and this is even with me not talking to but a handful of people at my church.......I go, and then I leave ASAP, missal in hand to the car and leave......none the less, the few I talk with are either angry at me or dont get me.....perhaps it is a post I made noting that JP2 was a liberal....hmm....
For me, I just go and leave.....easier not to get too involved with anyone......at all.....not healthist thing, but easiest.......after all the yrs of fighting, easier...
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I am not sure I would agree liberal Catholics are welcoming--cliquishness and territorialism exists in most churches. But I disagree about the sound theology--many are true to the eucharist and theology, and many were poorly catechised (like my generation, but for a seminarian turned dad-- and several relatives who were Religious I would have been there too, maybe. A lot is dependent upon the priests. Our parish has been swamped with Trad catholics lately as our priest and our adoration chapels have somehow attracted one who told another and so on. That inspired me to learn more. But I will tell you that the TRAD men treat the other parishoners like dirt. They sneer, make comments and are very mean. They make cruel comments to the femal altar servers--young girls--tell me--how does that make them feel? They are operating under the assumption that their local Bishop--a Cardinal in fact--is the authority allowed to make such decisions. And that is the teaching. Every time I see these things I think--you have lost your cause because you don't know how to communicate with charity, and you act as though you know more than the local bishop.
I think all schisms of Catholic and Orthodox had better start looking at what we have in common, BODY BLOOD SOUL AND DIVINITY and start being more functional and less fractured--we are soon to be fighting for the freedom of our religion, and instead we are arguing over dress lengths and Friday fasts.
In the end we must all unite. The ten commandments and what are sins against them are still the same. I truly believe we are fighting for the religious lives of our children and their children, and this constant divisiveness and superiority hang up are going to be the end of us.
We can't have unity without sound doctrine. If we give up doctrine it is not real unity.
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I am not sure I would agree liberal Catholics are welcoming--cliquishness and territorialism exists in most churches. But I disagree about the sound theology--many are true to the eucharist and theology, and many were poorly catechised (like my generation, but for a seminarian turned dad-- and several relatives who were Religious I would have been there too, maybe. A lot is dependent upon the priests. Our parish has been swamped with Trad catholics lately as our priest and our adoration chapels have somehow attracted one who told another and so on. That inspired me to learn more. But I will tell you that the TRAD men treat the other parishoners like dirt. They sneer, make comments and are very mean. They make cruel comments to the femal altar servers--young girls--tell me--how does that make them feel? They are operating under the assumption that their local Bishop--a Cardinal in fact--is the authority allowed to make such decisions. And that is the teaching. Every time I see these things I think--you have lost your cause because you don't know how to communicate with charity, and you act as though you know more than the local bishop.
I think all schisms of Catholic and Orthodox had better start looking at what we have in common, BODY BLOOD SOUL AND DIVINITY and start being more functional and less fractured--we are soon to be fighting for the freedom of our religion, and instead we are arguing over dress lengths and Friday fasts.
In the end we must all unite. The ten commandments and what are sins against them are still the same. I truly believe we are fighting for the religious lives of our children and their children, and this constant divisiveness and superiority hang up are going to be the end of us.
We can't have unity without sound doctrine. If we give up doctrine it is not real unity.
ABsolutely...sound doctrine--what is the key doctrine of our church? We relive the sacrifice of the lamb and share in the Body blood soul and divinity. There is no compromise. That was the act that started the church...the big battles are mostly about nondoctrinal things as far as I see...
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We can't have unity without sound doctrine. If we give up doctrine it is not real unity.
ABsolutely...sound doctrine--what is the key doctrine of our church? We relive the sacrifice of the lamb and share in the Body blood soul and divinity. There is no compromise. That was the act that started the church...the big battles are mostly about nondoctrinal things as far as I see...
A shocking proportion of people who attend the Novus Ordo do not believe in the Real Presence, even though technically it is still taught. These things you are identifying as non-doctrinal are often the supports of doctrine. Removing the support weakens or destroys the doctrine.
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My mother volunteers with a dicoese wide food bank, it is shocking how much the NO folks there are not only in opposition, ignorance of doctrine, but often do not care. They are less Catholic in views and practice then some Protestants...we "trads' would have more in common with a Fundy on many moral, ethical things..
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My mother volunteers with a dicoese wide food bank, it is shocking how much the NO folks there are not only in opposition, ignorance of doctrine, but often do not care. They are less Catholic in views and practice then some Protestants...we "trads' would have more in common with a Fundy on many moral, ethical things..
That has been a major issue for me since converting. It still is a real shock to me, an I don't know what the solution is.
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Find open minded people and, tempting that it is to :argue: :shocked:. share with them a CD, DVD, pamphlet,etc......again, some dont care, find the ones that do, dont waste time with those set in their errors......unless, their walls come down, then you could slip in some info.......
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We can't have unity without sound doctrine. If we give up doctrine it is not real unity.
ABsolutely...sound doctrine--what is the key doctrine of our church? We relive the sacrifice of the lamb and share in the Body blood soul and divinity. There is no compromise. That was the act that started the church...the big battles are mostly about nondoctrinal things as far as I see...
A shocking proportion of people who attend the Novus Ordo do not believe in the Real Presence, even though technically it is still taught. These things you are identifying as non-doctrinal are often the supports of doctrine. Removing the support weakens or destroys the doctrine.
That may be one of the reasons our NO church is so popular--we will not allow any compromise about the real presence and our kids are taught that always....
But yes, who teaches what makes the difference.
But as we fight over hemlines and other such things we lose sight of the important key.
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We can't have unity without sound doctrine. If we give up doctrine it is not real unity.
ABsolutely...sound doctrine--what is the key doctrine of our church? We relive the sacrifice of the lamb and share in the Body blood soul and divinity. There is no compromise. That was the act that started the church...the big battles are mostly about nondoctrinal things as far as I see...
A shocking proportion of people who attend the Novus Ordo do not believe in the Real Presence, even though technically it is still taught. These things you are identifying as non-doctrinal are often the supports of doctrine. Removing the support weakens or destroys the doctrine.
That may be one of the reasons our NO church is so popular--we will not allow any compromise about the real presence and our kids are taught that always....
But yes, who teaches what makes the difference.
But as we fight over hemlines and other such things we lose sight of the important key.
Gee, a lot of the girls in NO dress in mini skirts, short shorts, very revealing tops and the men come in shorts, t shirts and flip flops (often designer stuff, of course). :laugh1:
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The girls will come in a men's flannel shirt, with blue jeans. I don't think there'd be the same live and let live response, if men started showing up in mini skirts, prarie dresses and halter tops! :laugh1:
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The girls will come in a men's flannel shirt, with blue jeans. I don't think there'd be the same live and let live response, if men started showing up in mini skirts, prarie dresses and halter tops! :laugh1:
please, men don't come around here in dresses and haltar tops
:roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh1:
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We can't have unity without sound doctrine. If we give up doctrine it is not real unity.
ABsolutely...sound doctrine--what is the key doctrine of our church? We relive the sacrifice of the lamb and share in the Body blood soul and divinity. There is no compromise. That was the act that started the church...the big battles are mostly about nondoctrinal things as far as I see...
A shocking proportion of people who attend the Novus Ordo do not believe in the Real Presence, even though technically it is still taught. These things you are identifying as non-doctrinal are often the supports of doctrine. Removing the support weakens or destroys the doctrine.
That may be one of the reasons our NO church is so popular--we will not allow any compromise about the real presence and our kids are taught that always....
But yes, who teaches what makes the difference.
But as we fight over hemlines and other such things we lose sight of the important key.
Sometimes people who say they are focusing on what is really important are, in fact, overly spiritualizing the Faith. There is a danger of making it something abstract, a mere list of propositions that we assent to. Faith must be so much more than that. Our Catholic faith is lived in our everyday lives. We express it mundane things like our choice of clothing. These daily decisions and actions are very important.
One of the things that I like best about being a traditional Catholic is the treasure of wisdom from our ancestors on how to live out my Faith every day. All these little customs and traditions that you seem to be dismissing make the dogmas come alive. Most Catholics have been cut off from these things, to some extent because "experts" said they were not important and should not be encouraged. This was one of the most serious mistakes of the post-Vatican II period.