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Offline John Grace

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Kill the Bill, NOT the Child
« on: June 20, 2013, 07:06:59 AM »
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  • Whilst I'm not a fan of Declan Ganley, who YD are now keen to promote this type of truth truck and signs are great.

    Naive signs like "I vote pro-life" or 'Pledge your pro-life politician" need to be put aside and only a radical message should be shown. Political correctness is pointless.

    In the 1990s, the Irish people voted for "abortion information" so there is an obligation to show the truth of abortion.  


    I think stgobnait and others mistook my criticism of Youth Defence. I believed they had gone soft but it seems the 'old' YD is emerging.

    I would only hold up a 'radical' sign or engage in radical action. Lobbying polticians is best left to the Pro-Life Campaign.

    I realise he is 'pro-life' but as I said am no fan of Declan Ganley.  He wants a United States of Europe and one can't ignore how Libertas supported Simon Wiesenthal Centre at a time when Bishop Williamson was being stabbed in the back by "his own".


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    « Reply #1 on: June 21, 2013, 07:13:59 AM »
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  • What is Fine Gael? Is that the word for the legislature?


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    « Reply #2 on: June 21, 2013, 08:24:57 AM »
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  • Quote from: Tiffany
    What is Fine Gael? Is that the word for the legislature?



    Good question.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_Gael
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    Fine Gael (Irish pronunciation: [ˈfʲɪnʲə ˈɡˠeːl̪ˠ] – meaning Family or Tribe of the Irish) is a centre-right[6][7][9][10] to centrist[8][11][12] political party in the Republic of Ireland. It is the largest party in Ireland in the Oireachtas, in local government, and in terms of Members of the European Parliament.[13] The party has a membership of over 35,000,[14] and is the senior partner governing in a coalition with the Labour Party, with the Fine Gael party leader Enda Kenny serving as Taoiseach. Enda Kenny has led the party since 2002.[15]

    Fine Gael was founded on 8 September 1933[16] following the merger of its parent party cuмann na nGaedheal, the National Centre Party and the National Guard (popularly known as the "Blueshirts", a name still used colloquially to refer to the party). Its origins lie in the struggle for Irish independence and the pro-Treaty side in the Irish cινιℓ ωαr, identifying in particular Michael Collins as the founder of the movement

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    « Reply #3 on: June 21, 2013, 08:27:09 AM »
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  • The Jєωιѕн Fine Gael Justice Minister.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/fifty-shades-of-alan-shatter-steamy-novel-by-justice-minister-referred-to-censor-29284409.html
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    Fifty shades of Alan Shatter: steamy novel by Justice Minister referred to censor

    KEVIN DOYLE – 21 MAY 2013

    A RAUNCHY novel written by Justice Minister Alan Shatter has been referred to the Censorship office.

    The Herald has learned that censors are set to investigate whether Laura: A Story You Will Never Forget is too “obscene” for Irish readers.

    The book, which the minister wrote 24 years ago, contains steamy sex scenes and centres around the troubled private life of an Oireachtas member who is having an affair with his secretary.

    The revelation comes after the Data Protection Commissioner confirmed that he will be asking Mr Shatter to justify revealing details about Mick Wallace's dealings with gardai on live television.

    At one point in the book, the fictional TD attempts to force the woman to have an abortion in order to save his political career.

    The Herald understands that a complaint about the book’s sex scenes was lodged with the Censorship of Publications Board just weeks ago.

    Another allegation is the novel advocates the procurement of an abortion or miscarriage, contrary to Irish censorship laws.

    Laura, which was published by Poolbeg Press, originally retailed for IR£4.99 but is now available on Amazon for as little as 1 cent.

    A spokesperson for the Board confirmed that concerns have been raised with its secretary by a member of the public and added: “The complaint will be considered by the new Censorship of Publications Board when it is appointed.”

    Ironically, it is Mr Shatter who is due to announce the members of the board in the coming weeks.

    The spokesperson said that time involved in reviewing a book “varies” and they have no obligation to notify the publisher unless the complaint is upheld.

    In Ireland there are two main categories under which books can be banned. The first is they are “indecent or obscene” while the second is “they advocate the procurement of abortion or miscarriage”.

    The Register of Prohibited Publications shows there are no books banned because they are indecent but dozens are blacklisted for advocating abortion.

    The fictional story is set in Ireland, with one of the leading characters an Oireachtas member who is opposed to abortion.



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    « Reply #4 on: June 21, 2013, 08:30:08 AM »
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  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_Gael

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    Ideology   Christian democracy,[2]
    Pro-Europeanism
    Liberal conservatism[3]
    Social conservatism[4][5]


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    « Reply #5 on: June 21, 2013, 08:33:30 AM »
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  • To give Fine Gael some credit, some of their politicians have indicated, they will oppose the abortion bill, and in a wider context, one politician has written a few times criticising fractional reserve banking and stated there is no justification for austerity.

    Having said that their youth wing has been agitating for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ 'marriage', abortion etc etc for decades.

    They are not a party putting Ireland or moral values first.

    Regardless of their politicians planning to oppose abortion, I shan't be be voting for Fine Gael in elections. Party politics doesn't interest me or parliamentary democracy. It's a total sham.

    There is renewed interest in a movement, that will make an impact.