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« on: June 04, 2013, 02:57:20 AM »
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  • In India, a Christian man has been beheaded after he refused to become a Hindu.

    Tapas Bin, 35-year-old resident of a remote tribal region of West Tripura, had been under heavy pressure from his father-in-law to abandon Christianity. Police say that the father-in-law conspired with a local Hindu religious leader to arrange Bin’s killing.

    The father-in-law has disappeared, and his daughter—the wife of the murder victim—fears that he might seek to kill her and her son as well.


    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=18042

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    « Reply #1 on: June 04, 2013, 03:55:50 PM »
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  • Don't know why I'm even asking, but...

    Was this man a Roman Catholic? Or was he a member of Prot-Newchurch?

    As tragic as such a senseless assault is, those who are outside Christ's Church
    are not martyrs. It would truly be a shame if his soul was lost when he died in such a terrible way.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar


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    « Reply #2 on: June 04, 2013, 04:01:04 PM »
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  • Quote from: Stephen Francis
    Was this man a Roman Catholic? Or was he a member of Prot-Newchurch?

    As tragic as such a senseless assault is, those who are outside Christ's Church
    are not martyrs. It would truly be a shame if his soul was lost when he died in such a terrible way.


    I think those martyrs who in some way attached to NewRome are not necessarily NewCatcholics. I believe this man was a Martyr, if he indeed died in the way which the article says.

    The same goes for the Byzantine and Easter Rite Catholics who die in Iraq, such as the priest who was beheaded on his alter, and the Christian children who were crucified (I think in Iraq as well)>

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    « Reply #3 on: June 04, 2013, 04:06:40 PM »
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  •  :facepalm:Sorry at work-

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    « Reply #4 on: June 04, 2013, 04:12:59 PM »
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    Was this man a Roman Catholic? Or was he a member of Prot-Newchurch? . . . . It would truly be a shame if his soul was lost when he died in such a terrible way.


    I have also wondered also if members of the conciliar church who are martyred go to heaven. How many of the members of the conciliar church have the true faith? I hope he had the faith and is in heaven.
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    « Reply #5 on: June 04, 2013, 04:16:29 PM »
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  • I hate to spoil anyone's mood, but those who are in Newchurch or the schismatic churches are devoid of the graces necessary for salvation, because as people with the ability to know and choose correctly, they are without excuse when they stay connected to those groups that are severed from Christ, the Head of the ONE Body, which is His Church.

    Not in the Church = not Christian.

    Not Christian = not a martyr.

    You see, the problem people always run into when they talk about valid Sacraments in Newchurch or anywhere else is the one of responsibility for the knowledge we have. There is simply no excuse for someone to remain separated from Christ's Church when there are available both knowledge of the truth and opportunity to obey it.

    One may not be able to join the Church easily or immediately, but one may always STOP sinning by participating in false worship.

    A person may be saved before they have the chance to do everything beneficial to their salvation, but they cannot be saved while persisting in sinful error in concord with Christ's enemies.

    Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon!

    Most Sacred Heart of Jesus,  have mercy on us.
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    « Reply #6 on: June 04, 2013, 04:21:02 PM »
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    Not in the Church = not Christian.

    Not Christian = not a martyr.


    I agree with this, but I think it is possible to be in the new church and still be Catholic. I don't think it is likely, but I think it is possible.
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    « Reply #7 on: June 04, 2013, 04:27:23 PM »
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  • Receiving a wafer which is NOT the Sacred Host and kneeling or genuflecting to it is IDOLATRY.

    Participation in a "service" with a man who was never consecrated validly as a priest is sacrilege.

    One cannot accept Newchurch and be a faithful Catholic at the same time. They are positions which could not be more totally opposed to one another.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar


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    « Reply #8 on: June 04, 2013, 04:28:23 PM »
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  • Receiving a wafer which is NOT the Sacred Host and kneeling or genuflecting to it is IDOLATRY.

    Participation in a "service" with a man who was never consecrated validly as a priest is sacrilege.

    One cannot accept Newchurch and be a faithful Catholic at the same time. They are positions which could not be more totally opposed to one another.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar

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    « Reply #9 on: June 04, 2013, 04:32:10 PM »
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    One cannot accept Newchurch and be a faithful Catholic at the same time. They are positions which could not be more totally opposed to one another.

    I think it is possible for a layman to believe in the true faith and not believe in the new conciliar religon, but still be in the newchurch because they don't know any better. I think it is more likely in the eastern rites because there the liturgy is not blatantly sacrilegious. I don't think it is common but I think it is possible.
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    « Reply #10 on: June 04, 2013, 04:35:43 PM »
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  • There's nothing to "think". The Mass of the ages is not present in Newchurch, hence, it is not the Church. Not know any better? Infants and the retarded are not capable of knowing better. Anyone who can make a claim to faith can and should know better.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar


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    « Reply #11 on: June 04, 2013, 04:40:12 PM »
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    There's nothing to "think". The Mass of the ages is not present in Newchurch, hence, it is not the Church.


    This is incorrect. It is at least present, though it is the object of extreme marginalization.

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    Not know any better? Infants and the retarded are not capable of knowing better. Anyone who can make a claim to faith can and should know better.


    Sorry to burst your bubble- but not all who attend the Novus Ordo are non-Catholics; there are many who aren't, but they're not all apostates. Many who are somehow attached to NewRome, I might say especially those who belong to the Eastern Rites, are good Catholics and have the Faith.

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    « Reply #12 on: June 04, 2013, 04:42:24 PM »
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  • Stephen Frances- have you been hanging around Mike And Pete Dimond's website recently? I would caution you to stay away from those pseudo monks.

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    « Reply #13 on: June 04, 2013, 04:51:12 PM »
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  • s2rea, no, I have not. If you'd bothered to read anything else I've ever posted here you'd see that I have addressed the Dimond Brothers' website and do not recognize them as in any way representing the Faith.

    The Eastern liturgies have been changed just like the Roman one was replaced. It is not possible to accept the heresies of Newchurch and be a faithful Catholic. To agree with their false theology or to tolerate same while attending their idolatrous services is mortally sinful.

    That's not the opinion of some armchair sede website. That's the first chapter of the Epistle of St. Paul to the Romans. When you participate in or even tolerate the filth of Christ's enemies, you participate in their recompense as well, which shall be Hell.
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    « Reply #14 on: June 04, 2013, 04:52:58 PM »
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  • Quote from: Stephen Francis
    Receiving a wafer which is NOT the Sacred Host and kneeling or genuflecting to it is IDOLATRY.

    Participation in a "service" with a man who was never consecrated validly as a priest is sacrilege.

    One cannot accept Newchurch and be a faithful Catholic at the same time. They are positions which could not be more totally opposed to one another.


    Objectively, yes (though I do not think that the NO is necessarily invalid each and every single time) it would be idolatry, but if the person actually thinks that it IS the Sacred Host, they are not guilty of idolatry.

    Ditto regarding the orders of the newchurchmen.

    There have been traveling priests that are charlatans, men who it is doubtful were ever ordained.  A Catholic in good faith, who believes a man to be ordained and to be able to confect the sacrament does not sin if it turns out the 'priest' was just a music-man looking to take advantage of pious and trusting people.
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