Recently, a friend of mine (who, like myself, was also born and raised in the Novus Ordo) went back to the Novus Ordo. He said he just had to "stay with the Magisterium". When I asked him whether or not he could be more specific, he just said " the coldness and excessive anger/extremism among 'Rad Trads'" and that Pope Francis would not have issued Traditionis Custodes in the first place had it not been for the reputation the majority of Traditional Catholics have for being "mean and nasty" not just towards others but also to themselves. Again, these are his words and not mine.

I don't want to lose him as a friend because both he and his family are really good people. Does anyone have any advice for dealing with this issue? Much appreciated. Thank you.

There's no doubt that bitter zeal can be found among Traditional Catholics.  That's actually the devil's primary tactic against Traditional Catholics.  Nevertheless, being a smiling "tolerant" person does not equate with charity either.  Welcoming all manner of heresy and error, well, it's like killing them with a big smile in your face.

I knew a wonderfully-big-smiling Jesuit professor.  And the second I politely questioned some of his errors, that smile you couldn't wipe off his face became a menacing scowl from hell.

I've known lots of big smilers and kumbaya "love everyone" types in the NO but who were all talk.  When situations presented themselves where they had to make a sacrifice for someone, they magically disappeared.  Then you have the Leftists making the same criticism of conservatives in general, that they're mean, while they're filled with kindness, but when someone doesn't agree with them, they rage with diabolical hatred.

Recently, a friend of mine (who, like myself, was also born and raised in the Novus Ordo) went back to the Novus Ordo. He said he just had to "stay with the Magisterium". When I asked him whether or not he could be more specific, he just said " the coldness and excessive anger/extremism among 'Rad Trads'" and that Pope Francis would not have issued Traditionis Custodes in the first place had it not been for the reputation the majority of Traditional Catholics have for being "mean and nasty" not just towards others but also to themselves. Again, these are his words and not mine.

I don't want to lose him as a friend because both he and his family are really good people. Does anyone have any advice for dealing with this issue? Much appreciated. Thank you.

You need to wake him up. God is putting a soul in front of you that is needing proselytized. You absolutely need to sit him down and give everything to him straight out of charity for his soul. Tell him how much you care about him and it is why you are having the conversation. If he says "trad talk" bothers him tell him to just focus on his own soul and state in life. Speak with absolute clarity on how the Crisis is causing diabolical disorientation among trads too, and that bitter zeal as well as apostasy are two sides of this coin and that going to the NO is only going to cause the latter. I will pray for this soul daily, keep us updated. I will pray for your courage to do God's will as well. This will probably be awkward or whatever but when God explicitly puts someone in front of you like this you have to stand up.

I couldn't agree more and thank you for your prompt and courteous reply. The thing that shocks me is that he was more devout than I was. He actually learned to serve the Latin Mass and served it 5 days a week and attended Mass 7 days a week because he lived right around the corner from the Traditional parish (while the ones who served the weekend Masses were people who drove to the parish about 45 minutes each way).

He seemed so passionate and devout about Traditional Catholicism yet he went back to the Novus Ordo parish his family came from. I found it peculiar that he still thinks the Latin Mass is beautiful and wonderful yet he goes back to his original Novus Ordo parish. If he believes the Latin Mass to be beautiful and wonderful, then why would he leave it? He also said that his Novus Ordo pastor is "very conservative", which I believe was his way of justifying his change.

During our conversation he said that he also didn't want to offend me, yet he really said nothing that could be taken as offensive. All of this is very confusing for me but I thank you (and anyone else) who responds.

Knowing this I almost guarantee he's trying to follow Francis' underlying intentions with TC: that the NO is the lex orandi of the NO antichurch. He's probably embarrassed to explicitly say this though. You absolutely need to be uncompromising with this guy. Following what Francis says every step of the way will lead him to hell and you need to be explicit with that. He's either a Catholic or he'll get led into the mire.

I agree that your friend is most likely letting his "feelings" dictate this decision. I would agree that you'll probably find more "angry" or "bitter" trads than novus ordoites, including myself. I think this makes sense when you look at the state of things in the Church today. I myself often loose my temper when I read about the latest dumb comment Francis made, or another pagan desecration in some church somewhere. You'll find more "anger" in trad circles because we care about the Church. Most novus ordoites don't even know and certainly don't care what goes on in Rome or if their parish priest preaches the true faith or not. A lot of this is righteous anger, but the devil certainly knows how to temp us trads into acting uncharitably at times. The fact is, your friend needs to be encouraged to look at the facts rather than going by his feelings, and understand that tensions sometimes run high in trad circles because most trads love the Church and are understandably upset by what's happening. Many of these novus ordoites, priests and lay people alike, aren't so smiley because they're so full of grace...they're content and chipper all the time when they're in a church environment because they don't give a damn about the Church. What's going on doesn't bother them. Most "care so much" they don't even bother to follow anything that's going on in the Church. If Christ was like this maybe He would have brought flowers into the Temple for the Jєωs instead of chasing them out of the Temple with a cord when he saw how they were disrespecting His Father's house. Us trads are angered by these heretics desecrating our Father's house day after day (I do believe there is a difference between the conciliar church and the Catholic Church but you know what I mean). We get angry because we care. Sure, this righteous anger sometimes becomes uncharitable, but we're sinful humans after all just like everyone else. As the famous Eastern prayer goes, "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner."  

I couldn't agree more and thank you for your prompt and courteous reply. The thing that shocks me is that he was more devout than I was. He actually learned to serve the Latin Mass and served it 5 days a week and attended Mass 7 days a week because he lived right around the corner from the Traditional parish (while the ones who served the weekend Masses were people who drove to the parish about 45 minutes each way).

He seemed so passionate and devout about Traditional Catholicism yet he went back to the Novus Ordo parish his family came from. I found it peculiar that he still thinks the Latin Mass is beautiful and wonderful yet he goes back to his original Novus Ordo parish. If he believes the Latin Mass to be beautiful and wonderful, then why would he leave it? He also said that his Novus Ordo pastor is "very conservative", which I believe was his way of justifying his change. 

Sounds like the devil went fully after him, as he saw a person on his way to sainthood.  God does allow this sometimes; those who are gung-ho in the Faith, He allows great temptation, so that their Faith would become greater.


If you can talk with your friend, that would be helpful.  If you can challenge him to do a 54 day rosary novena, to let Our Lady give him the answer on which path to take, then that will be your best option.  If he says that novena, with an open heart, She'll straighten him out quick!

My first reason to leave New Order was when it was proven that New Order does not serve God, but the other G  government. Catholic Charities founded when about 1950, takes federal grants and does the implementing of the agenda at hand.  Domestic Violence is just one of many programs that hides Planned Parenthood. Virginia Piper another same thing Catholic Charities supports abortion, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.

So, the peoples money is used.  For every dollar they get $10 dollars. Secret Societies have their charities, like Shriners. Even the so-called catholic hospitals are promoting contraceptives, sterilization to abortion.

USAIDS has catholic charities.  They have been known to use forced sterilization in other countries.  Catholic Relief another.  Does the Pope, bishops know this, absolutely.
 
And the first schools to introduced sex ed were the private schools, catholic.  I can say this, because I read the Federal Grants for the state of AZ during the term of Gov. Mecham about 1990 -94.  

Then for the next 10 years, then I learnt what I should know about Holy Mother Church and the Precious Blood of Christ.  We all learn and move in different ways.

Don’t stop being his friend.  It sounds like he needs a good friend.