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Offline poche

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A Desire for Conversion
« on: January 01, 2019, 05:33:57 AM »
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    • Here is a rough translation of something I saw;
    I am a 15 year old girl, newly converted. I am from an atheist family (who also refuse to be baptized, but I'll talk about it later). Being in a Catholic school, I rub shoulders with many believers, men of churches and sisters. Who opened my eyes. So we have a small chapel directly in the school (very pretty by the way).
    In short, it's not really the subject.

    I have several questions when to the Church in general:
    • Can I go to pray in the church while I'm not baptized?
    • I saw that women have to cover their heads, is this obligatory?
    • Are there things I can not do in a church, not being baptized? (Or even in general)
    • How to address a priest or sister? (There are some in my high school)
    • What behavior do you have in a church? / What are the things that absolutely do / do not do?

    I know these questions may be obvious to you, but for me it's a bit complicated because I really do not have an education or religious culture.

    told you a little earlier that my parents do not want me to be baptized. In fact, since I was little I was raised with a principle that is: "I do not believe what I see". Since they have never seen God, they do not believe it. But I believe it. They want us to be (if we want to) baptized as adults, but not before. I would not be baptized before 3 years. And when I went to a Catholic school, they told me: "It's not because you go to a Catholic school that you have to believe and be baptized."
    You see, I'm stuck.

    Ah yes, I am in Catholic school while I am atheist family, I had problems in public school so they put me in private.


     
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    She is a minor and she wants to become Catholic but her parents say no. Let us pray for her.
    :pray: :pray: :pray:
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    Re: A Desire for Conversion
    « Reply #1 on: January 01, 2019, 09:39:55 AM »
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    • Prayers for sure! Poor thing :(....
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    Re: A Desire for Conversion
    « Reply #2 on: January 01, 2019, 09:59:29 AM »
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    • Pretty rough translation of her questions, btw:

    1. [Je tente de répondre aux questions que vous posez,

    (A: I will try to respond to the questions you're posing [about the girl])]

    2. [Puis je aller prier dans l'église alors que je ne suis pas baptisée?

    oui, les églises sont ouvertes et vous pouvez entrer et prier, vous imprégner aussi de l'ambiance.

    (Q: Can I pray in the church if I'm not baptized? A: Yes, churches are open for going inside and praying, for also taking in the ambiance.)]


    3. [•J'ai vu que les femmes doivent se couvrir la tête, es ce obligatoire?

    non, à part dans certaines communautés tradis où c 'est obligatoire.

    (Q:I saw that women must cover their heads, is this required? A: No, only in certain traditionalist communities is it required.)]


    4. [•Il y a-t-il des choses que je ne peux pas faire dans une église, n'étant pas baptisée? (Ou même en general)

    Communier par exemple, vous ne pouvez pas, mais vous pouvez participer à la messe

    (Q: Are there things that I can't do in a church without having been baptized? A: Communion, but you can participate at Mass.)]


    5. [•Comment s'adresser à un prêtre ou à une soeur? (Il y en a dans mon lycee )

    vous leur demandez de les rencontrer, prenez rendez-vous avec l'un d'eux, ils sont là pour ça]

    (Q: How do I talk a priest or religious sister? There are some in my school. A: Ask to meet them, make an appointment. They're there for you.]

    6. [•Quel comportement avoir dans une église?/ Qu'elles sont les choses qui fait absolument faire/ne pas faire?

    Il vaut mieux quand même ne pas entrer dans une église en maillot de bain par exemple, autrement dit avoir une tenue correcte, ne pas fumer et ne pas non plus faire le tour de l'église pendant un office.

    (Q: How should I act in a church? What should I do/not do in a church? A: You shouldn't enter a church wearing a bathing suit -- dressed correctly. Do not smoke and don't walk around during a service)]
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    Re: A Desire for Conversion
    « Reply #3 on: January 01, 2019, 11:22:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: JezusDeKoning on January 01, 2019, 09:59:29 AM
    Pretty rough translation of her questions, btw:

    1. [Je tente de répondre aux questions que vous posez,

    (A: I will try to respond to the questions you're posing [about the girl])]

    2. [Puis je aller prier dans l'église alors que je ne suis pas baptisée?

    oui, les églises sont ouvertes et vous pouvez entrer et prier, vous imprégner aussi de l'ambiance.

    (Q: Can I pray in the church if I'm not baptized? A: Yes, churches are open for going inside and praying, for also taking in the ambiance.)]


    3. [•J'ai vu que les femmes doivent se couvrir la tête, es ce obligatoire?

    non, à part dans certaines communautés tradis où c 'est obligatoire.

    (Q:I saw that women must cover their heads, is this required? A: No, only in certain traditionalist communities is it required.)]


    4. [•Il y a-t-il des choses que je ne peux pas faire dans une église, n'étant pas baptisée? (Ou même en general)

    Communier par exemple, vous ne pouvez pas, mais vous pouvez participer à la messe

    (Q: Are there things that I can't do in a church without having been baptized? A: Communion, but you can participate at Mass.)]


    5. [•Comment s'adresser à un prêtre ou à une soeur? (Il y en a dans mon lycee )

    vous leur demandez de les rencontrer, prenez rendez-vous avec l'un d'eux, ils sont là pour ça]

    (Q: How do I talk a priest or religious sister? There are some in my school. A: Ask to meet them, make an appointment. They're there for you.]

    6. [•Quel comportement avoir dans une église?/ Qu'elles sont les choses qui fait absolument faire/ne pas faire?

    Il vaut mieux quand même ne pas entrer dans une église en maillot de bain par exemple, autrement dit avoir une tenue correcte, ne pas fumer et ne pas non plus faire le tour de l'église pendant un office.

    (Q: How should I act in a church? What should I do/not do in a church? A: You shouldn't enter a church wearing a bathing suit -- dressed correctly. Do not smoke and don't walk around during a service)]
    I was trying to focus on the fact that this girl is wanting to convert and not so much on her other questions. I wanted to bring attention to her situation and others like hers so that we could pray for her and the other souls in her situation. Who knows? maybe one short prayer or one small sacrifice could be the straw that tips the balance in her favor.  
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    Re: A Desire for Conversion
    « Reply #4 on: January 10, 2019, 04:27:09 PM »
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    • What an amazing thing. Inspirational. The Holy Spirit speaks and maybe she isn't baptized, but baptism of desire. I'm sure she can walk up to a priest and ask to be baptized without her parents' consent. Perhaps, she'll convert her parents as well. Truly amazing. 
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    Re: A Desire for Conversion
    « Reply #5 on: January 10, 2019, 10:49:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: pascendi on January 10, 2019, 04:27:09 PM
    What an amazing thing. Inspirational. The Holy Spirit speaks and maybe she isn't baptized, but baptism of desire. I'm sure she can walk up to a priest and ask to be baptized without her parents' consent. Perhaps, she'll convert her parents as well. Truly amazing.
    Eventually she will be an adult and then she will be able to make her own decisions on how she wants to live out her life.
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    Re: A Desire for Conversion
    « Reply #6 on: January 11, 2019, 01:25:20 AM »
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    • Someone just Baptize her with water and be done with it.

    Let the parents try to sue if they want.

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    Re: A Desire for Conversion
    « Reply #7 on: January 11, 2019, 08:41:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on January 11, 2019, 01:25:20 AM
    Someone just Baptize her with water and be done with it.

    Let the parents try to sue if they want.
    If you Baptise her then you take on all responsibility for her Catholic upbringing.... I dont think it’s wrong, but who ever does it better have it in their mind to support her through it all. They also better make sure they teach her the real faith or else they will just cause her scandal.
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    Re: A Desire for Conversion
    « Reply #8 on: January 11, 2019, 12:48:12 PM »
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    • No, I'd Baptize and announce Vintage wife and her hubby are the proxy Godparents.

    You'd have watch over her  :farmer:
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    Re: A Desire for Conversion
    « Reply #9 on: January 11, 2019, 03:32:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on January 11, 2019, 12:48:12 PM
    No, I'd Baptize and announce Vintage wife and her hubby are the proxy Godparents.

    You'd have watch over her  :farmer:
    So, many people here cringed when you said that  😂

    But In all seriousness, whoever does baptize her needs to know that they can’t just call the deed done after that. It’s not just as simple as pouring some water than thinking their duty as Catholics is done. 
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    Re: A Desire for Conversion
    « Reply #10 on: January 12, 2019, 12:49:05 PM »
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    • I think Baptism is more simple that what most modern Catholics make it out to be.

    That is, if the candidate is taught the basic tenets of the Faith and believes, he's ready to go for a Water Baptism.

    Here's St. Francis Xavier's arm and hand, which are responsible for Baptizing, with Water, between 700,000 and 3 million souls.

    He carried out his priestly missionary vocation as Our Lord wanted it.



    The Baltimore Catechism was surely corrupted with Americanism.

    But , please show me in a pre-19th or 20th Century catechism, where Catholics are responsible for anymore than teaching the basic tenets of the Faith?

    The soul needs the immediate graces of a Water Baptism.
    If the soul has the correct disposition, it will blossom and seek more graces after that.
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    Re: A Desire for Conversion
    « Reply #11 on: January 12, 2019, 01:15:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: poche on January 01, 2019, 05:33:57 AM
    Here is a rough translation of something I saw;
    I am a 15 year old girl, newly converted. I am from an atheist family (who also refuse to be baptized, but I'll talk about it later). Being in a Catholic school, I rub shoulders with many believers, men of churches and sisters. Who opened my eyes.
    She goes to a Catholic school yet she has to go to a public forum to ask questions? What happened to asking the priests and nuns "who opened her eyes"?
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    Re: A Desire for Conversion
    « Reply #12 on: January 12, 2019, 01:21:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Vintagewife3 on January 11, 2019, 03:32:11 PM
    So, many people here cringed when you said that  😂

    But In all seriousness, whoever does baptize her needs to know that they can’t just call the deed done after that. It’s not just as simple as pouring some water than thinking their duty as Catholics is done.
    If only you could tell that to Western Europe.
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    Re: A Desire for Conversion
    « Reply #13 on: January 12, 2019, 11:18:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on January 12, 2019, 01:15:29 PM
    She goes to a Catholic school yet she has to go to a public forum to ask questions? What happened to asking the priests and nuns "who opened her eyes"?
    Apparently she doesn't want her parents to find out about her interest.
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