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8 Reasons to NOT Send Your Daughter to College
« on: May 26, 2015, 02:18:39 PM »
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  • 6 Reasons (+2) to NOT Send Your Daughter to College
    Posted By Raylan Alleman at Sunday, September 08, 2013
    <Editor's note:  The original post was "6 reasons" and 2 were added since (#6 and #8) just in case 6 weren't enough.>

    Probably the most controversial and rejected position we have at Fix the Family is that parents should not send their daughters to college.  It is even more vehemently opposed than the submission of wives to their husbands.  Both of these positions we have are a threat to the trophies of the feminist agenda, so the rejection we receive is always emotionally charged and ends up insulting, since once explained logically, the opposition runs out of substance and is only left to hurl insults and presume and misconstrue this practical wisdom into some chauvinistic evil.  But to distinguish these 2 issues, we are NOT saying that sending a girl to college or women working is a sin.  But after looking at the issues we raise, we would challenge anyone to convince us that college for girls is not a near occasion of sin.  In order to fore go further discussion (argument) on the issue of college for girls, this article will outline the principal reasons for shunning college for girls.

    Before getting to those reasons, first let’s deal with some of the common objections that are received when this issue is raised (FAQs):

    You don’t believe in educating women.  False.  College and education have very little to do with each other.  College has become more of a training ground for a job.  Let’s be clear:  college graduates receive a diploma, not necessarily an education.  Many wise people in years past obtained great educations by seeking knowledge from books and good material.  Today, anyone can learn anything they want with the vast library system across the country and with the easy access of the internet.  So the real reason girls go to college is for a degree, not an education.  I strongly believe girls and women should be educated, first and foremost in the Catholic faith.  If we look COMPREHENSIVELY at the Catholic doctrine, we’ll see very little that promotes a woman working outside the home.  Further a good working knowledge of the basics for today’s culture and progressive society can be learned in 12 years of school.  Politicians say that 12 years is not enough today, but that is because of a failed corrupted education system.  Homeschooling parents can educate their children in 12 years.  College may be necessary for the provider of a family depending on the vocation God is calling them to or for those who are called to the Priesthood, both of which are intended for men.

    You believe in oppressing women.  False.  The Church teaches that husbands and wives are of equal dignity, but with different roles.  Almost all of our children will choose to marry.  Actually, since the purpose of a college degree is for a job, it becomes unnecessary for our daughters to have such a credential.  My personal impression is that the day-to-day grind of a job is below the dignity of women.  In a way, it is like being a hired hand, as result of the fall and the penalty for original sin.  Of course the Lord and the Popes have raised the dignity of work as a way of husbands living out their vocation and duty.  But the penalty for the woman as a result of the fall was pain in childbirth (which requires having babies), not to work.  Sending our wives out to work should be a very last resort, a misfortune, so it shouldn’t be part of a plan for young ladies before they even get a start at family life.  Keeping a home, being a loving wife, and being a nurturing mother are of immeasurable dignity to a woman and not something to be farmed out to servants.  The feminist world has twisted this so that a job (career) appears elevated, and homemaking is denigrated.  This is the evil work of Satan and devastating to families.

    You believe in taking away opportunities for women and trapping them into a subservient role.  False.  We believe in women making wise prudent choices for themselves.  The indoctrination of the feminist culture and the practicing of a sɛҳuąƖly promiscuous lifestyle severely cloud, practically blind that good judgment.  Getting a college degree often makes a young lady feel an “obligation” to use it, to make money.  Often her husband doesn’t want to see it go to “waste.”  So the degree is what actually traps her.  Not having a degree frees her to enter into a marriage with proper roles in which her husband will provide for her and their children.  Christian marriage by definition does place her in a submissive role to her husband, but no one forces anyone to marry anyone.  She should go to the altar with full knowledge of what she’s entering into.

    God calls women to use their talents.  True.  Women over the last couple of generations have proved their abilities in the workplace, but only in a different way.  God has always given women abilities to bring value and service to their neighbor, which is what people with jobs do.  But to distinguish, as Catholics anyway, it was rarely that a wife and mother did this until the last couple of generations, and look at the impact on family life.  Before, it was nuns who did these things buildings convents, hospitals, schools, etc etc.  We only need to read the lives of the saints to see what they did.  We see only a VERY RARE EXCEPTION of canonized saints who have this.  Generally women will marry and have children so are gifted by God with the natural abilities to nurture (feed and raise) as well as educate children.  Today’s society has a very accessible conduit for that ability that is very conducive to family life:  homeschooling.  Educating and caring for children is the most valuable calling of a married woman and requires accomplished abilities.  These are no small matters.  But mothers often say they could not stand to be with their children all day.  What?  Just stop and think about that sad sad statement.  If that is the case, why did they have children?  In choosing for our daughters, we may need to bring them to awareness of this attitude and direct them toward the single life or to that of a religious sister.

    A  woman needs to have something to provide income in case her husband dies, becomes disabled or leaves her.  True.  The first 2 issues can and should be resolved with insurance, which is very affordable for young couples who may be vulnerable to these VERY remote possibilities, which is why it is so affordable.  A responsible family will have such coverage in place.  As for the husband leaving her, the possibility of being left in such a state would make a woman MUCH more careful about the man she decides to marry.  Think about it.  If you know you're throwing your COMPLETE trust and future on a man, you'll want one you can certainly rely on.  

    That being said, here are the reasons to NOT send your daughter to college:

    She will attract the wrong types of men.  I share the common concern addressed to us, again mainly by angry women, that there are so many lazy men in our society.  But what mystifies me is why girls continue to marry them and then live to complain about them, along with their parents.  So what normally happens with this setup is that those lazy men who are looking for a mother-figure in a wife are very attracted to this responsible, organized, smart woman who has it all together along with a steady paying job with benefits.  So if he wants to go to work he can, but if not he can always fall back on her income.  Or if he “doesn’t want to have to answer to anyone” he can start his own business, and it doesn’t matter if it fails or succeeds or makes enough income because again she’s there to help. The bottom line, HE is only supplementing HER income, but he’s supposed to be the provider. These are very strong stresses on families that I have observed to consistently repeat themselves over and over.  What she did that was looked upon to be the “responsible thing ‘just in case’” ends up being a self-fulfilling prophecy because of the type of man she married.

    She will be in a near occasion of sin.  Just think of the environment that college-age students live in.  You have a heavy concentration of young people all living together without the supervision of parents at the most sɛҳuąƖly charged state of life they will experience.  How can one expect that anyone would be able to avoid these temptations, even on a Catholic college campus much less a secular one?  So if it is unnecessary for one to be in a near occasion of sin, is it prudent to willingly put oneself there?  This is no small matter we’re dealing with here.  Is a degree worth the loss of your daughter’s purity, dignity, and soul?  Catholic OB-GYN Dr. Kim Hardey notes that a woman is naturally very observant of a man’s faults as long as she is in a platonic relationship with him.  Once she becomes sɛҳuąƖly active with him, she releases hormones that mask his faults, and she remains in a dreamy state about him.  We can see why God would arrange things in such a way so that when in a proper state of holy matrimony, she would be less sensitive to his faults and thereby less tempted to be critical of him.  But before marriage she should be very sensitive to the complete reality of the man she will enter into a lifetime commitment with.  It is one thing to advise our daughter of this reality in ordinary situations, but placing her into an environment that will tempt her to lose this barrier is unfair to her.

    She will not learn to be a wife and mother.  Nothing that is taught in a college curriculum is geared toward domestic homemaking.  On the contrary, it is training in a very masculine role of a professional career.  So there becomes a severe inner conflict in a woman when she starts trying to be a homemaker and juggle a career alongside it.  Often when a career woman discerns the possibility of giving up her career, she faces the reality that she has had no training in homemaking and often has the thought “What would I do at home all day.”  Stay-at-home mothers are actually very busy industrious women and do absolutely beautiful marvelous things.  Surely the business world severely undervalues those things they do, but the value to a family is beyond monetary compensation.  These abilities cannot be learned in any college.

    The cost of a degree is becoming more difficult to recoup.  Like anything that is subsidized by the government, the cost of a college degree is inflated.  That being the case, it can often be difficult or impossible to get an adequate payoff for the investment.  The most common example of that scenario is the job of a school teacher.  More commonly now we’re seeing situations where not only is the income not enough to support a family, but many are strapped with student loan debt.  Add to that the possibility of not even being able to get a job with the degree and you have economic disaster for a family before they even get started.  It makes much more sense for a young couple to have a husband with a skill that brings value to the marketplace that has reasonable compensation to go along with it and a wife who is willing to be frugal especially during the early years of starting their family.

    You don’t have to prove anything to the world.  Often the reason for a girl going to college is the pressure of the society around her, including her parents.  The girl who graduates from high school along with her parents gets the endless barrage of questions of “Where are you going to college?”  The society is so fixated with the feminist ideal of women having to have a job and provide an income to have worth.  So parents and their daughters often beam with pride in announcing what university she will attend.  Astonishingly even homeschool parents fall into this folly.  Often homeschooling parents feel they have to prove that they have done a good job in educating their children and are validated by them going to college.  But the confounding thing is that they went through all this effort to raise and educate their daughters themselves but don’t give their daughters the opportunity to do the same by locking her into a career.

    It could be a near occasion of sin for the parents.  In our culture many parents feel an unnecessary obligation to pay for the children's college tuition.  Of course to aid in that there are a host of financial advisers who can set up college investment savings programs for which the government will grant tax favors.  So parents may avoid having more children with contraception, sterilization, or illicit use of NFP to bear this cost.  To assume that all of our children will need a college degree is quite a stretch, particularly for girls who will likely be mothers.

    She will regret it.  The more we talk about this prudent option for girls, the more we have women who are willing to admit to the regret they possess for having bought into the lie of the dual-career family.  A recent comment we received was “Too many of us females were sold a bill of bs in the '60s. How wrong we were. Praying for wisdom for future mothers, fathers and families. JMJ+” We are not surprised that more and more women are coming forward to tell their stories of regret for having by-passed the more meaningful things in life to opt for the approval of feminists who cared nothing more about them than being statistics to reinforce their agenda.  All the while they regret neglecting their children and restricting their childbearing to such an extent that they don’t want to even think about it.  While we do receive some of our most violent rejection for this position, we receive just as many or more approvals for standing up for what is right and good.

    All this is said as an explanation for our position on this issue, not to offend or condemn anyone who finds themselves in any of these situations.  But it is said because it is good and true and practicable.  It can be done even in our current society.  So the intent is for the good of families of the future.  We have to humbly give our children the best options and direction even if they don’t conform to the world’s norms and even if we have to humbly admit poor judgment and decisions on our parts.

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    And be not conformed to this world; but be reformed in the newness of your mind, that you may prove what the good is, and the acceptable, and the perfect will of God. (Rom 12:2)

     9/10/13 This just in, so that we don't leave girls called to vocations out:

    8.  It could interfere with a religious vocation.  According to Corey Huber, President of the Mater Ecclesiae Fund for Vocations, Catholic seminaries and religious orders do not accept candidates who have substantial unpaid debt. He states the average college loan debt today is a staggering $27,029 which takes most graudates a decade or more to pay off.
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    8 Reasons to NOT Send Your Daughter to College
    « Reply #1 on: May 26, 2015, 06:42:11 PM »
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  • A few points:

    1. It is hypocritical for the author of this column to mention for girls not to attend a university and then use a woman OB/GYN to make his point.

    2. The author did mention this but I will reiterate again; girls should not go to a university since it obstructs them for the most useful thing they can do; be a wife and mother.

    3. In terms of "bad guys" this author is referring to, from my own experience all of the irresponsible sɛҳuąƖ behavior is done by girls, not men. That being said if a man is going to a university he should be going for the career of medicine, otherwise he is wasting time and money, and would be better suited for being a technician or mechanic. Ending compulsory military training in a university also made the amount of effeminates and scoundrel types in universities explode.


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    « Reply #2 on: May 27, 2015, 06:35:29 AM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    Ending compulsory military training in a university also made the amount of effeminates and scoundrel types in universities explode.


    There was compulsory military training in university?  When and where?  I've not ever heard this before.

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    « Reply #3 on: May 27, 2015, 07:21:57 AM »
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  • I know of at least one case where a family converted, the mother obliged the daughter to drop out of college (against the father's wishes!) and the daughter lives in the parent's home waiting for some rich traditionalist to come rescue her.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #4 on: May 27, 2015, 09:48:02 AM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    A few points:

    1. It is hypocritical for the author of this column to mention for girls not to attend a university and then use a woman OB/GYN to make his point.


    No, only a fool would throw out something true that supported one's case, just because it was learned and declared by someone who disagrees with you.

    1. So you're saying that a Catholic can't use "the misery of a worldly life and unrepentant death" as an argument for why to convert to the Faith? There's a short story called "Annette: A soul in Hell" which is often used at Ignatian Retreats. She was a worldly Catholic and her story is told from Hell. Is it hypocritical to promote and listen to her testimony?

    2. By your logic, it's hypocritical for a Traditional Catholic -- one who claims to hold certain truths and morality -- to learn about the natural world from non-Catholics. Aren't you a hypocrite by claiming to be a serious Catholic and then having books by non-Traditional-Catholics on your shelf?

    Uh...no.

    If you restricted yourself to books by Traditional Catholics,  you would HAVE no home library. (Except for some TAN books. Ok,  you'd have Lives of the Saints covered. But what about all the other subjects in a 21st century education?)

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  • Quote from: Centroamerica


    I know of at least one case where a family converted, the mother obliged the daughter to drop out of college (against the father's wishes!) and the daughter lives in the parent's home waiting for some rich traditionalist to come rescue her.


    A rich Traditionalist would be best for the daughter.  

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  • No a poor boy would be best for the daughter so they would both learn to struggle in life and know hardship. Only in our modern world has it been compulsory for a man to make a lot of money and get married. If our ancestors would have followed that logic back in the Middle Ages no peasant or burgher would have ever been married.

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    There was compulsory military training in university?  When and where?  I've not ever heard this before.


    What I meant was compulsory military training in general.


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  • It doesn't matter rich or poor just as long as the young man is good Catholic and has a good work ethic.  

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  • On the issue of "poor vs. rich suitors" -- a topic which has come up before on CathInfo, I would like to add this:

    This description (taken from another thread, regarding the "grasshoppers" who drift through life as if everything will always be hunky-dory) applies in many ways to CERTAIN specimens of "millennials" -- those who not only don't have a job, but they haven't acquired much discipline and/or useful skills either. I'm not accusing anyone in particular; as the saying goes: "If the shoe fits, wear it".

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=36839&min=0&num=5

    Read this description. If this is you, NO you shouldn't be getting married. That poor peasant in the middle ages at least had a large measure of self-sufficiency for his day. He knew how to grow crops, take care of chickens, and probably how to process them into meat. He got a certain amount of exercise, probably because he had no choice. And if he didn't have the discipline to work, he would starve and/or be thrown into prison by the local lord, for failure to pay his taxes.

    For such a one, there is nothing holding him back from marriage. But what about the people described this way?

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    And because you did not prepare, you have desperately few options to do anything other than obey. A year earlier, when your friends were learning how to grow their own garden vegetables and save seeds, you spent your free time clubbing and watching TV sitcoms. Two years earlier, when your friends decided to get fit and practice some long-distance walking so they could carry a backpack, you discovered the Domino's 2-for-1 pizza deal and began "saving money" by gorging yourself on obesity-inducing fake food. And three years ago, when your friends were spending their weekends learning CPR, emergency medicine skills, handgun self-defense skills, wilderness survival skills or herbal wildcrafting skills, you spent your time playing on your Xbox, the domain where your screen name "BADASSMOFO" announced to the world just how amazing you truly are.

    You now face the uncertainty of the near future with the same terrified sense of a domestic poodle dropped into a Louisiana swamp. You have no idea how to survive in the real world, without your ATM, your iPhone, your internet access and your Doritos. You don't own a knife, you're afraid of guns and you despise the mere thought of committing any act of violence whatsoever, even in defense of your own life or property.


    My point: If most people would consider you "immature"; if you have no marketable skills, if you have wasted most of your life up till now playing video games and watching TV, how can you hope to support a family? Unless you plan to be homeless and dig through dumpsters, which isn't even legal in many places today...

    Blue collar or day laborers is one thing. But what if you have no skills or ability to earn money? What if you're not even familiar with how to do many of those "manual labor jobs"? Unfortunately those kind of people do exist.

    I guess what I'm saying is, there IS a minimum income you have to earn to run a household in 2015. Minimum wage probably won't get you there. The minimum you have to earn might not be $50,000, but a minimum certainly exists.

    And just because "no one is guaranteed anything" doesn't mean that it's OK to not have a chance in heck of getting a job :)


    Here is the full description, for those who are interested (many things in this full description don't apply to "unmarriageable millennials".)
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    If you scored under 20 points on this Preparedness Pop Quiz, you're probably not going to make it.

    Even worse, it's probably already too late for you to do anything about it.

    In essence, you are clueless. As part of the non-prepared, you've been living in a dream world populated by cultural delusions. You've been watching cable TV and thinking you're seeing real news. You've been buying factory foods at the grocery store and thinking you're eating real food. You've been paying taxes, and working a job, and voting for candidates at the voting booths, all while thinking you're living in a real democracy run by the will of the People rather than the criminal intent of the corrupt elite. You have absolutely no clue of real American history, how politics really works and why all the people at the very top are the most criminally insane sociopaths ever produced by the human race.

    And all the while, you've completely fallen for the delusion that everything your life has come to depend on will reliably exist, day after day, because it has always been that way in your experience: Water will always come out of the tap in your kitchen; cash will always be available at the local ATM; police will always respond when you call 911; fuel will always be available at your local gas station; your debit card will always work... and so on.

    What you fail to understand is that you've been living in an artificial construct... an interconnected web of electronics, financial transactions, social contracts, industrial output, food logistics and other artificial layers that have created for you the illusion that everything you need will always be available, day after day, without interruption. You do not grasp the cultural chaos that's coming... the racial tension... the economic collapse... the ecosystem collapse and food shortages... the climate radicalization that will ultimately lead to mass starvation and mass death.

    The day will soon come that many of the things you have come to depend on will experience severe disruptions, outages and in some cases even collapse. You will not be warned about that day from your "Matrix media" news sources like CNN. There will be no official acknowledgement of any problems at all... even as the disruptions begin to take hold and the riots begin to flood into the streets.

    You will be lied to by your government and your local news station, both of which will insist they have everything under control (they don't) and that you have nothing to worry about (you actually do). You will be told to stay put even though you should probably bug out. You will be ordered to obey the commands of government even though you should probably think for yourself. You will be stripped of any means of self-defense even in the moment when you need self-defense the most.

    And because you did not prepare, you have desperately few options to do anything other than obey. A year earlier, when your friends were learning how to grow their own garden vegetables and save seeds, you spent your free time clubbing and watching TV sitcoms. Two years earlier, when your friends decided to get fit and practice some long-distance walking so they could carry a backpack, you discovered the Domino's 2-for-1 pizza deal and began "saving money" by gorging yourself on obesity-inducing fake food. And three years ago, when your friends were spending their weekends learning CPR, emergency medicine skills, handgun self-defense skills, wilderness survival skills or herbal wildcrafting skills, you spent your time playing on your Xbox, the domain where your screen name "BADASSMOFO" announced to the world just how amazing you truly are.

    But now, as the proverbial s### is about to hit the fan, instead of having real-world skills, some level of physical fitness, a pantry full of long-term storable foods and a collection of heirloom seeds, you have a high-level character on World of Warcraft, a case of type-2 diabetes, a massive overhanging beltline, a refrigerator full of processed junk food and a couple of bottles of insulin which will quickly run out once the pharmacies are overrun by looters (or burned to the ground as we saw in Baltimore).

    Instead of betting on skills and preparedness, you bet on the empty delusion that society's current practices are entirely sustainable. You are now about to lose that bet, and the cost of losing it is dire. For starters, you now have very little time left to prepare for what's coming. The skills and resources you need to survive the societal chaos that's coming take time to put in place, but you spent your time watching TV and trying to impress your millennial friends rather than acquiring real-world skills that might save yourself (and maybe even a few friends, too).

    You now face the uncertainty of the near future with the same terrified sense of a domestic poodle dropped into a Louisiana swamp. You have no idea how to survive in the real world, without your ATM, your iPhone, your internet access and your Doritos. You don't own a knife, you're afraid of guns and you despise the mere thought of committing any act of violence whatsoever, even in defense of your own life or property.

    You, my friends, are the "low hanging fruit" of the criminal gangs who will confiscate everything you own as they sweep through your neighborhoods, looting and pillaging to their heart's delight. You have no way to stop them, of course. That silly pepper spray canister you bought in 1998 has no pressure left in it, and you don't know how to aim it anyway. By the time the bad guys have already reached your "pepper spray range," it's already too late. They're in your house, stealing your Jєωelry, shooting your dog and having their way with your family members. You can't stop them because you don't know how. You're "anti-gun" and "anti-violence" after all. You believe in a civilized society. You fell for the delusion that the government would always protect you.

    So you try to dial 911, but the signal is busy. 911 is on overload, didn't you know? The police have announced they're only responding to murders now, and even that response time has stretched out to three hours. So you've got three hours with zero defense, in a house full of armed gang bangers who aren't even afraid of the cops, much less defenseless, unprepared citizens like you. If you're lucky, you might simply get beaten and robbed. If you're unlucky -- and they don't mind wasting the ammo -- they'll use you for target practice just to shut you up and stop your incessant pathetic screaming.

    Or maybe you're lucky and the gangs don't find your place. So instead of dealing with armed intruders, you only have to deal with a cut-off water supply, no electricity, no heat, no air conditioning, no local groceries, no functioning gas stations and no 911 response. The ATMs are down, the land lines are dead, the cell towers are out of commission and you can't get internet access to work. This is actually a "good" scenario compared to what's happening to other people in other parts of the country. Do you have the skills and state of mind to survive it?

    In either case, you have no way out because you don't have a vehicle with a full tank of gas. You can't read a map and a compass -- for your entire adult life, you've navigated at the command of voice-driven GPS -- and you have no idea how to leave your city on foot. You've never even been hiking beyond a gentle walk in nature followed by a night's stay in a hotel. You don't know how to pitch a tent, how to build a makeshift shelter, or how to start a fire without using a lighter. You don't even own a lighter anyway, because of course you don't smoke either.

    You've screwed yourself out of options, essentially. And you didn't even know it.

    But don't get mad at me for pointing this out. Get mad at yourself for letting yourself become so freaking pathetic and vulnerable in a world run by predators and criminals.
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    8 Reasons to NOT Send Your Daughter to College
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    No a poor boy would be best for the daughter so they would both learn to struggle in life and know hardship. Only in our modern world has it been compulsory for a man to make a lot of money and get married. If our ancestors would have followed that logic back in the Middle Ages no peasant or burgher would have ever been married.


    A poor Traditionalist would be second best.

    The focus is on the man being a Traditional Catholic, which surpasses in spiritual importance which economic class he belongs to.

    A poor Traditionalist would be a better husband than a rich secularist.