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Offline Pelly

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Mans authority over Woman
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2015, 12:32:12 PM »
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  • You sound like my Wiccan acquintance on the celibacy thing.
    Women are not slaves, but this does not mean that I'm anti-family. I read an article on VacTruth about a vaccine-damaged woman who had a relapse in her vaccine-induced arthritis due to eating junk food. She responded to this by quitting walking and treating her husband as a slave. As a result, their children grew up in a dysfunctional family and their daughter literally ran the house. Also, they had unsupervised TV time as a substitute to a normal family... this landed their daughter to a mental hospital.
    God didn't order a harmony in family with the Fall of Adam. It was there in the beginning. I don't know how much of the Curse of Eve is eradicated, but it's still there.
    Also, there are cases where the wife must take action (eg. the husband is a drunkard).


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    « Reply #16 on: September 21, 2015, 02:25:03 PM »
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  • Actually the patriarchal hierarchy of the family appears to be an infallible doctrine of the Church. in Casti Connubii, Pope Pius XI specifically characterizes the teaching on patriarchal hierarchy as an unchangeable law of God:

    Pope Pius XI:
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    This order (the primacy of the husband over his wife and children, and the ready submission and willing obedience of the wife) was constituted by an authority higher than man's, that s, by the authority higher than man's, that is, by the authority and wisdom of God Himself, and neither the laws of the State nor the good pleasure of individuals can ever change it"


    This is an authoritative statement in a papal encyclical addressed to all Bishops in the world. Of course, likewise, the husband is commanded to love his wife as his own body. The Apostle in Ephesians provides the basis for the hierarchy of marriage:

    Quote from: Ephesians 5:22-33, Douay-Rheims

    22 Let women be subject to their husbands, as to the Lord:

    23 Because the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church. He is the saviour of his body.

    24 Therefore as the church is subject to Christ, so also let the wives be to their husbands in all things.

    25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himself up for it:

    26 That he might sanctify it, cleansing it by the laver of water in the word of life:

    27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy, and without blemish.

    28 So also ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife, loveth himself.

    29 For no man ever hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, as also Christ doth the church:

    30 Because we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

    31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they shall be two in one flesh.

    32 This is a great sacrament; but I speak in Christ and in the church.

    33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular love his wife as himself: and let the wife fear her husband.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    « Reply #17 on: September 21, 2015, 03:53:27 PM »
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  • Yes, I agree. Thank you for that.

    A man beating his wife or daughter is un-Christlike on so many levels and its diabolically cowardly. How can a man be the head of the household and at the same time, use his status to hurt and injure the weak and people less powerful than him? It makes no sense.
    Remember O most gracious Virgin Mary...

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    « Reply #18 on: September 21, 2015, 11:59:28 PM »
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  • Well now, what you've just said is heresy JezusDeKoning.

    Corporal discipline of all family members is the prerogative of the head of the family. Corporal discipline takes place in monasteries, convents, government, and finds its place fundamentally in the family.

    The effeminate drive against it well.. what can one say but that it is based on the twisted feelings brought about by the corrupt rulers of the NWO who have upside down matriarchal families. Since matriarchal -- feeling of fallen people guided by demons triumphs over constructive self-sacrificing reason.

    Various straw men are created against corporal discipline, i.e. using it excessively, in its wrong time and place, etc. But all of these things are not what it actually is, and is often necessary and good for.

    'Folly is tied together in the heart of a child, and the rod of discipline shall drive it away.'

    Proverbs 22:15 [discipline gives wisdom, removes folly]

    'Withdraw not discipline from a child: for if thou shalt strike him with the rod, he shall not die.
    Thou shalt strike him with the rod: and deliver his soul from hell.'

    Proverbs 23:13-14 [withdrawn not from corporal discipline of children]

    'Rod and rebuke giveth Wisdom: but the child, that is left to his own will, confoundeth his mother.'

    Proverbs 29:15 [corporal discipline gives wisdom, without it, child rebels and confounds especially the mother of the family, (and too think of the Church)]

    'My son, neglect not the discipline of our Lord: neither be thou wearied whiles thou art rebuked of him.  For whom our Lord loveth, he chasteneth: and he scourgeth every child that he receiveth,  Persevere ye in discipline. As unto children doth God offer himself to you. for what son is there, whom the father not correct?  But if you be without discipline, whereof all be made partakers: then are you bastards, and not children.'

    Hebrews 12:5-8

    [So you see, you are a bastard, not part of the family of God, if you are not scourged, nor one who scourges when called for.]

    'My son, cast not away the discipline of our Lord: neither do thou faint when thou art chastened of him: for whom our Lord loveth he chastiseth: and as a father in the son he pleaseth himself.'

    Proverbs 3:11-12

    'A whip for a horse, and a snaffle for an ass, and a rod on the back of the unwise.'

    Proverbs 26:3 [those who lack wisdom, all in general, the rod is suitable for]

    'They that trust in him, shall understand truth: and the faithful in love shall rest in him: because rest and peace is to his elect. But the impious according to the things which they have thought, shall have correption: which have neglected the just, & have revolted from our Lord.  For he that rejecteth wisdom, and discipline, is unhappy: and their hope is vain, and labors without fruit and their works unprofitable. Their wives are senseless, and their children most wicked. Cursed is their creature. . .'

    Wisdom 3:9-12, c.f. [without wisdom, without discipline, senseless wives, wicked children, cursed people and families]


    Sincerely,

    Shin

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    « Reply #19 on: September 22, 2015, 12:05:43 AM »
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  • Well, heresy understood one way.

    Of course there is violence and beating that is no good, just prompted by the passions. This is clearly distinguished from proper corporal discipline.
    Sincerely,

    Shin

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