This is also true, but one point you are missing is that God wants us to do our part.

I have missed no such thing, especially something so obvious, but I am not here to get entangled in tangential discussions that revolve around whether or not I understand the issue at hand.

Is our part to handcuff adult children to bedposts when they will not do what we want?  No.  Mrs Z has said her peace -- twice (if not more).  Moreover, she is clearly lacking interior peace at the moment.  The wiser course is to look after herself and her own interior life, seek light and strength from the Holy Ghost, and place absolute and boundless trust in divine providence.  If another opportunity to talk arises, she will thus be much better able to see it, seize it, and, Lord willing, obtain good results.

Is it any wonder, with so many people willing to acquiesce, say "it's your decision" etc, that it's hard to dissuade her?

No one is saying these things -- at least not in the sense that you are implying.  Counsel was given; it looks as if it will not be followed.  Do yourself (and us) a favor and let it be.

Precisely, because God's Will would not be for a woman to join the military.

What happens is God's will, but that doesn't mean God is pleased by sins that led to it or that something that hasn't happened is inevitable so you may as well shut-up about it.

What we're seeing in this society is the absolute unwillingness of many males to impose social pressure on women.  If firm social pressure was brought to bear by a wide circle of friends and acquaintances this girl would not likely want to join the military.  

Feminists right now control social pressure, and the worst aspect of the situation is the way in which supposedly conservative and "traditional" men give way to them and get angry at men who don't.

The complete misunderstanding/misrepresentation of what has actually been said might be entertaining in any other setting.  No one has said anything positive about women in the military or that such might be in harmony with God's will, yet some are actually wasting time boxing with that and other shadows.  Wonders never cease...

Maybe you are right, Tele.  Unfortunately for you and fortunately for us, life is not about whether or not you are right, with respect to this or any other matter.  Interestingly enough, the absolutely sound advice that has been offered to Mrs Z in this case would do wonders for you, too, and in this very thread!  What I mean is this: you've repeatedly said your peace, some still disagree; going on and on and on about it will not bring them around, particularly because your present manner of argumentation lacks a certain suavity and, therefore, effectiveness.  That said, it is time for me to let what I have written stand for itself, allowing things progress however they will.

I must go; I am in the middle of preparing tacos.  :chef:

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The advice here, to acquiesce and "accept God's Will" is simply irresponsible and wrong.

Precisely, because God's Will would not be for a woman to join the military.

That's the point SS- no one, not I or GV as far as I can tell, have said to "just" accept God's Will". She's spoken out against this and that has been accounted for. No one has said, "don't say anything; just accept it," not in the least. You must take into account the situation and circuмstance being presented here, instead of falling for fallacies being put out others.

Well said GV, all the way.

Those sorts of comments are his "fix" no doubt.

How sad.

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Well said GV, all the way.

Isn't it funny Telesphorous always victimizes himself by saying how people thumb him down, yet, Tele was the one who just emoted( and I'm sure has done the majority of the other emoting here) according to active forum users. What a boob.

Think you've got that reversed as to who is making a big deal about negrep.

I'm not a victim of the neg-rep, I'm a beneficiary.  The obsessive vindictiveness and hatred displayed by you people is transparent.

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Well said GV, all the way.

Isn't it funny Telesphorous always victimizes himself by saying how people thumb him down, yet, Tele was the one who just emoted( and I'm sure has done the majority of the other emoting here) according to active forum users. What a boob.

I don't know if he does or if he has a fan or two with active thumbs but yes, I have noticed that. I rarely thumb down. I should try to remember to use the function more, for good and bad, but it always seems to be a lower priority.

He does have a fan; one who sent me a PM today, but I will not mention his name for he is at least rational, and not as demented as this fellow.