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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: RomanCatholic1953 on June 28, 2021, 02:47:40 PM
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At Lease 10 Catholic Families Remain missing in Surfside Condo collapse:
Pray for them :incense: :incense: :incense: :pray: :pray: :pray: :incense: :incense: :pray: :pray:
https://www.miamiarch.org/CatholicDiocese.php?op=Article_archdiocese-of-miami-st-joseph-surfside-collapse-parish-at-ground-zero
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Was it a controlled demolition?
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All I know is that as soon as I saw it, I thought: Oklahoma City bσɱbing.
So far, no one is saying why it went down.
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Was it a controlled demolition?
In a sense. Quite recently, they say, engineers did routine checks.
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:pray: :pray: :pray:
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Was it a controlled demolition?
The cause was most likely sloppy construction.
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Was it a controlled demolition?
Good eye. Once you know about 9=11, you can't unsee the controlled demo signature. The building disintegrated. And the building came down in it's own footprint. Even the pool nearby remained clear and blue. Videos show flashes inside the building prior to coming down. I think it's interesting that the building had a north and south tower. The big question for me is, who owned the building? Apparently, there is a lot of confusion because an inspector inspected the building prior and found nothing wrong with it. Watch that information disappear quickly.
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In a sense. Quite recently, they say, engineers did routine checks.
There are engineers and their are engineers. Perhaps they were not qualified. The cracks showing that there is a danger of
building collapse do not suddenly appear., unless there is an earthquake that did not happen. The cracks build up
gradually more than enough time to be discovered by a competent engineer. Most likely reported by the condo
occupant.
Just sloppy construction and not paying attentions to details. And there are the coverups for some unknown reasons.
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Good eye. Once you know about 9=11, you can't unsee the controlled demo signature. The building disintegrated. And the building came down in it's own footprint. Even the pool nearby remained clear and blue. Videos show flashes inside the building prior to coming down. I think it's interesting that the building had a north and south tower. The big question for me is, who owned the building? Apparently, there is a lot of confusion because an inspector inspected the building prior and found nothing wrong with it. Watch that information disappear quickly.
Yup; all the hallmarks of sabotage.
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The facade of the collapse reminds me of the Oklahoma City Murrah building. Just sayin'
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There were a lot of people who lived here and some happened to be Catholic. I'd pray for their families because it's about to get a lot harder. With every hour, it shifts from a rescue to a recovery mission.
As for the cause? Probably shoddy construction as RC1953 said.
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As for the cause? Probably shoddy construction as RC1953 said.
Eh, anyone want to bet me the owner is Jєωιѕн (just like Silverstein at the Twin Towers)?
PS: Interesting how shotty construction so neatly only affected one perfect section of the building. And decades of inspection never revealed it 🤔
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Eh, anyone want to bet me the owner is Jєωιѕн (just like Silverstein at the Twin Towers)?
I will be surprised if it isn't Silverstein's brother's cousin's place. Or some bigwig mogul needing to update to something bigger and better. Maybe insurance will double his money because it has a north and south tower. :facepalm:
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Our MSM in Canada stated there was "a tight knit Jєωιѕн community" and they were callling in a Rabbi for whatever reason.
Also inspection reports (82 pages) from 2018 indicated severe deterioration and that is why the repairs were started albeit on the roof but the foundation for the pool and the garage were damaged.
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Our MSM in Canada stated there was "a tight knit Jєωιѕн community" and they were callling in a Rabbi for whatever reason.
Also inspection reports (82 pages) from 2018 indicated severe deterioration and that is why the repairs were started albeit on the roof but the foundation for the pool and the garage were damaged.
South Florida, where this condo is, has a very large Jєωιѕн community.
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I watched drone footage yesterday and it looks to me like a miniature 911 Ground Zero, complete with search dogs. I suspect it was shoddy maintenance that was ignored to save money. Nobody famous lived there, and there’d be no particular reason to bring down the building. It wasn’t famous, not notable historically or for architecture. Building collapses in big cities are not all that unusual.
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Good eye. Once you know about 9=11, you can't unsee the controlled demo signature. The building disintegrated. And the building came down in it's own footprint. Even the pool nearby remained clear and blue. Videos show flashes inside the building prior to coming down. I think it's interesting that the building had a north and south tower. The big question for me is, who owned the building? Apparently, there is a lot of confusion because an inspector inspected the building prior and found nothing wrong with it. Watch that information disappear quickly.
The building is the town of Surfside, which is located in Miami-Dade County. I know construction and I know the area very well. The building is a condominium, it is owned by the individual owners of each unit. In Miami-Dade County condos are required to have a 40 year inspection. I do not keep up with the latest news, but I am told that it had the 40 year inspection. It may not have passed and they were in the process of fixing the failures, but for failures to bring down a building they would have to be so serious that they would have evacuated the building at first discovery. This building collapse smells of something else. Like you said " The building disintegrated. And the building came down in it's own footprint. Even the pool nearby remained clear and blue". The building just North of the collapse is only like 32 feet away and it did not even get dust. The building also didn't fall 1 inch unto the beach on the East side. Miami- Dade County has the strictest building codes in all of the South, due to hurricanes, floods, salt water (storm surge & corrosion). Large condos like these are all fully inspected and approved at every step during the whole permitting and construction process. If this building fell due to insufficient building codes, then all the 1000's of other condos in South Florida will soon be falling. There are a lot of Israeli's living there and the majority by far of the residents are Jews. All is very suspicious. May be something to do with taking out someone? Time will tell.
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This was a supposed Tweet from John McAffee on June 7: ( this has been called a fake by MSM)
(From USA Today)
Below the text is a screenshot of a purported June 8 tweet from McAfee that reads: "If anything ever happens to me, please know that the 31TB (terabytes) of files I have are located on hard drives in my condo near 88th Street and Collins Avenue just north of Miami Beach."
That's the address of the building.
Like I said, who knows if this is a fake tweet, but it sure throws a wrench in the story. The building looks like it was blown out.
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This was a supposed Tweet from John McAffee on June 7: ( this has been called a fake by MSM)
(From USA Today)
Below the text is a screenshot of a purported June 8 tweet from McAfee that reads: "If anything ever happens to me, please know that the 31TB (terabytes) of files I have are located on hard drives in my condo near 88th Street and Collins Avenue just north of Miami Beach."
That's the address of the building.
Like I said, who knows if this is a fake tweet, but it sure throws a wrench in the story. The building looks like it was blown out.
Why would the guy tweet the location to be blown out, to those who would take the tweet down and blow the place out? "Purported tweet" isn't enough in my eyes.
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He was an elitist nightmare and had the goods. It was a dead man switch threat. Even if it was obvious maybe they couldn't take the chance of not taking the place down.
Everything is connected
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Everything is connected
What do you mean?
Look, there are lots of proofs for lots of connected things. But how can a "purported tweet" mean anything at all? All and nothing today is purported here and there and everywhere. What you post is of no real use. Or explain, how it is.
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Did the news about the purported tweet appear before the building was blown, or afterwards?
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I mean the vaxx, COVID, the election, communism , pedophilia, the CIA, FBI,MOSSAD тαℓмυdicism, jews, Satanism , the Vatican, assassinations', murders, adrenochrome, war, et all.
It's all connected at the root and not by chance. it's all the same.
To me Occam's razor just means that everything is staged and manipulated. That is the easiest and most probable explanation for everything today.
Purported was the term used by USA Today. Not exactly a paragon of truth.
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The tweet was PURPORTED to have been posted June 7.
Actually, "screenshot" and "purported" are in contradiction to each other, really. USA today used both terms in the same sentence
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Why would the guy tweet the location to be blown out, to those who would take the tweet down and blow the place out? "Purported tweet" isn't enough in my eyes.
It is just chaff. If someone has docuмentation to protect himself he hides it, he has it in various locations, he does not reveal where it is to every idiot on the internet. Besides, McAfee must be very rich, no rich man lives in that building. That is why it was not kept up by the owners of the individual units, it is they that pay for the maintenance and repairs. The building was full of retirees with limited incomes. Owners like that are notorious for holding back on repairs. Just compare the condition of the roof of the building before it collapsed and all the buildings around. The buildings roof is green black, while the others are all clean and white. The roof was way past it's lifespan. (P.S.- the building would not collapse from a bad roof, the roof is concrete and rebar)
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Who said he lived there? He certainly could own it.
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To me Occam's razor just means that everything is staged and manipulated. That is the easiest and most probable explanation for everything today.
I agree that very many news stories are completely staged. On the other hand, the plandemic shows that they need very, very few people who are knowing about the whole staged play, this time arranged around the world, believed by half of the world's population.
On the other hand, there are criminals of all sorts and classes.
There are hundreds of thousands of people doing all kinds of bitcoin-deals. Any simple criminal can use the situation and easily detonate a building and spread some purported McAfee tweet, to cover tracks.
And then: In "shithole" countries, buildings collaps every once in a while. Europe and the U.S. have been on their "shithole"-way for quite a while.
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I live in Miami-Dade, close to where this happened, and it wasn't sabotaged. Florida is sinking because the soft sediments underlie the state are compacting. The islands built up from coral and sand underlain by the marls and limes of the region means the area is sinking, and adding a building on top of it only makes it sink more. Florida was under the ocean when the sea level was higher, well before the Ice Ages. That was about 50-15K years ago but was exposed during the Ice Age. That's when the state was created. The water level has increased since the middle of the last Ice Age, and erosion of the state began the minute it was exposed above the ocean. No one is going to "fix" that. No one will stop the next warm-cold cycle and the future Ice Age that will expose the state more if it doesn't get drowned in the meantime.
Combine all of the above with corrupt politicians being bribed to get building permits through even with third-world construction, and you see the results.
Btw, the neo-SSPX priory in Florida had nothing to say about the collapse. No call for prayers for the dead or missing, nothing. Their bulletin was loaded with all sorts of fundraising initiatives. Even the Novus Ordo sect had a priest in the area counseling the families. I would say this particular area is primarily Jєωιѕн, but Miami-Dade County has a vast Catholic population, the largest in the state.
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Was it a controlled demolition?
Without getting into the "whodunnit" and the cui bono factors, that was the first thing I thought of.
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I live in Miami-Dade, close to where this happened, and it wasn't sabotaged. Florida is sinking because the soft sediments underlie the state are compacting. The islands built up from coral and sand underlain by the marls and limes of the region means the area is sinking, and adding a building on top of it only makes it sink more. Florida was under the ocean when the sea level was higher, well before the Ice Ages. That was about 50-15K years ago but was exposed during the Ice Age. That's when the state was created. The water level has increased since the middle of the last Ice Age, and erosion of the state began the minute it was exposed above the ocean. No one is going to "fix" that. No one will stop the next warm-cold cycle and the future Ice Age that will expose the state more if it doesn't get drowned in the meantime.
Combine all of the above with corrupt politicians being bribed to get building permits through even with third-world construction, and you see the results.
Btw, the neo-SSPX priory in Florida had nothing to say about the collapse. No call for prayers for the dead or missing, nothing. Their bulletin was loaded with all sorts of fundraising initiatives. Even the Novus Ordo sect had a priest in the area counseling the families. I would say this particular area is primarily Jєωιѕн, but Miami-Dade County has a vast Catholic population, the largest in the state.
There is a Brit, Christopher Walter Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley. He said: as long as bankers own florida waterfront mansions, who is going to believe in Climate Change?
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It goes to show that people are greedy and will cut corners if it can save them money, human lives be damned.
Boeing had a defective part on one of their planes, the 737 Max. They did nothing to fix it until two crashes later. Where everyone died.
The same exact thing is happening right now in Surfside.
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There is a Brit, Christopher Walter Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley. He said: as long as bankers own florida waterfront mansions, who is going to believe in Climate Change?
Yes, in Florida and many other places. They own WAY too much waterfront and oceanfront property for Climate Change to be real.
All the spokesmen for the Green movement are complete hypocrites, like Al Gore. Flying around in jets, with mahogany desks made of Redwoods, owning waterfront property. And they preach that to save the earth, WE all must live in a 200-square foot pod in an 80-story highrise, have 1 child at most, own nothing, and "eat the bugs".
They can take a long leap off a short pier.
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Praying :pray:
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What I find disturbing is the fact that they won't even say it's *possible* that this could be terrorism/bombing, etc. What are they afraid of?
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I live in Miami-Dade, close to where this happened, and it wasn't sabotaged. Florida is sinking because the soft sediments underlie the state are compacting. The islands built up from coral and sand underlain by the marls and limes of the region means the area is sinking, and adding a building on top of it only makes it sink more. Florida was under the ocean when the sea level was higher, well before the Ice Ages. That was about 50-15K years ago but was exposed during the Ice Age. That's when the state was created. The water level has increased since the middle of the last Ice Age, and erosion of the state began the minute it was exposed above the ocean. No one is going to "fix" that. No one will stop the next warm-cold cycle and the future Ice Age that will expose the state more if it doesn't get drowned in the meantime.
Combine all of the above with corrupt politicians being bribed to get building permits through even with third-world construction, and you see the results.
Total BS. No offense intended, but the writer above knows nothing about construction in Miami-Dade County. If what he wrote was correct, high rises crashing to the ground would be as common as Japanese cars on the road.
Last Tradhican previous wrote:
The building is the town of Surfside, which is located in Miami-Dade County. I know construction and I know the area very well. The building is a condominium, it is owned by the individual owners of each unit. In Miami-Dade County condos are required to have a 40 year inspection. I do not keep up with the latest news, but I am told that it had the 40 year inspection. It may not have passed and they were in the process of fixing the failures, but for failures to bring down a building they would have to be so serious that they would have evacuated the building at first discovery. This building collapse smells of something else. Like you said " The building disintegrated. And the building came down in it's own footprint. Even the pool nearby remained clear and blue". The building just North of the collapse is only like 32 feet away and it did not even get dust. The building also didn't fall 1 inch unto the beach on the East side. Miami- Dade County has the strictest building codes in all of the South, due to hurricanes, floods, salt water (storm surge & corrosion). Large condos like these are all fully inspected and approved at every step during the whole permitting and construction process. If this building fell due to insufficient building codes, then all the 1000's of other condos in South Florida will soon be falling. There are a lot of Israeli's living there and the majority by far of the residents are Jews. All is very suspicious. May be something to do with taking out someone? Time will tell.
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LOL, I love when someone says total BS, and then no offense intended. What exactly did I say that triggered you?
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That was about 50-15K years ago but was exposed during the Ice Age.
The earth is only 7,220 years old.
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The earth is only 7,220 years old.
Really? T-Rex disagrees with you. :facepalm:
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Really? T-Rex disagrees with you. :facepalm:
Oh dear, jr, T-Rex was a creature that never knew what day it was, and did not survive to inform us of anything.
you need to study the issue of creation according to the Holy infallible Scriture here:
Kolbe Center for the Study of Creation
https://www.kolbecenter.org/
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Our MSM in Canada stated there was "a tight knit Jєωιѕн community" and they were callling in a Rabbi for whatever reason.
Also inspection reports (82 pages) from 2018 indicated severe deterioration and that is why the repairs were started albeit on the roof but the foundation for the pool and the garage were damaged.
When you have a building that needs repairs, why wouldn't you start on the lower stories and work your way up, especially if there is structural damage on those lower stories? I'm not an architect, but don't the lower stories bear the load of the higher ones?
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Oh dear, jr, T-Rex was a creature that never knew what day it was, and did not survive to inform us of anything.
you need to study the issue of creation according to the Holy infallible Scriture here:
Kolbe Center for the Study of Creation
https://www.kolbecenter.org/
The Church has never infallibly defined whether the world was created only a few thousand years ago or several billion years ago. The Church has infallibly determined that the Universe is of finite age (i.e., that it has not existed from all eternity). And that Universe was created out of nothing.
As for Dinasours or other creatures, the Church does not have an official position on where different life forms developed over time. It says if they did, it was done under the **guidance of God***.
I have read articles from the Kolbe center and consider them a good source. And unlike Bergolio and the Vatican II sect, I take Genesis literally.
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The Church has never infallibly defined whether the world was created only a few thousand years ago or several billion years ago. The Church has infallibly determined that the Universe is of finite age (i.e., that it has not existed from all eternity). And that Universe was created out of nothing.
But in her Christmas liturgy, the age given of the world is that stated by Romulus. So even if you disagree, I don't see how it deserves a facepalm, for one to believe in the age of the world as taught by the Church in her liturgy (even if it was not defined infallibly) on a traditional Catholic forum.
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I take Genesis literally.
I don't see how you could object to the 6 or 7 thousand year or so timeline and say you take genesis literally? That is what it says if you take it literally.
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But in her Christmas liturgy, the age given of the world is that stated by Romulus. So even if you disagree, I don't see how it deserves a facepalm, for one to believe in the age of the world as taught by the Church in her liturgy (even if it was not defined infallibly) on a traditional Catholic forum.
My point is that the Church itself does not say the earth is 7,220 years old. I am sorry if you took offense. Anyway, this thread is about a building collapse, not a debate about creationism vs. evolution.
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My point is that the Church itself does not say the earth is 7,220 years old.
Which is wrong, because for at least four centuries they (I forget exactly when it started) the Church used to chant the age of the earth every year at Christmas. So you can say the Church was wrong in her teaching, but not that she never taught it. Getting rid of this was one of the many changes they made because it embarrassed the evolutionists.
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What is wrong?
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I found this online.
Traditional Proclamation of the Birth of Christ
The twenty-fifth day of December.
In the five thousand one hundred and ninety-ninth year of the creation of the world
from the time when God in the beginning created the heavens and the earth;
the two thousand nine hundred and fifty-seventh year after the flood;
the two thousand and fifteenth year from the birth of Abraham;
the one thousand five hundred and tenth year from Moses
and the going forth of the people of Israel from Egypt;
the one thousand and thirty-second year from David's being anointed king;
in the sixty-fifth week according to the prophecy of Daniel;
in the one hundred and ninety-fourth Olympiad;
the seven hundred and fifty-second year from the foundation of the city of Rome;
the forty second year of the reign of Octavian Augustus;
the whole world being at peace,
in the sixth age of the world,
Jesus Christ the eternal God and Son of the eternal Father,
desiring to sanctify the world by his most merciful coming,
being conceived by the Holy Spirit,
and nine months having passed since his conception,
was born in Bethlehem of Judea of the Virgin Mary,
being made flesh.
The Nativity of our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh.
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And? Does the Church infallibly teach the earth was created 7,220 years ago? If so, I need a citation.
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And? Does the Church infallibly teach the earth was created 7,220 years ago? If so, I need a citation.
I don't know if it rises to the level of infallibility. But it was the universal belief for at least eighteen hundred years. And it was taught in her liturgy for centuries at Christmas Midnight Mass.
You said:My point is that the Church itself does not say the earth is 7,220 years old.
So I showed where the Church said exactly that for centuries in her liturgy .
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That does not make it magisterial teaching.
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The Church has never infallibly defined whether the world was created only a few thousand years ago or several billion years ago. The Church has infallibly determined that the Universe is of finite age (i.e., that it has not existed from all eternity). And that Universe was created out of nothing.
As for Dinasours or other creatures, the Church does not have an official position on where different life forms developed over time. It says if they did, it was done under the **guidance of God***.
I have read articles from the Kolbe center and consider them a good source. And unlike Bergolio and the Vatican II sect, I take Genesis literally.
Jr, you need a re-education in the traditional Catholic faith if you believe that the church does not teach that the earth is younger than 8,000 years.
I suggest to you to get hold of Special Creation Rediscovered by Gerard J Keane - very cheap in 3 forms CD, book and PDF. It should open your eyes to Truth, and you can be free of the fairytales that you have been taught
https://www.kolbecenter.org/?s=Keane&post_type=product
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Jr, you need a re-education in the traditional Catholic faith if you believe that the church does not teach that the earth is younger than 8,000 years.
I suggest to you to get hold of Special Creation Rediscovered by Gerard J Keane - very cheap in 3 forms CD, book and PDF. It should open your eyes to Truth, and you can be free of the fairytales that you have been taught
https://www.kolbecenter.org/?s=Keane&post_type=product
So you are saying then that the Church **infallibility** has taught that the earth is younger than 8,000 years? If so, please cite the church docuмent that says so, not what the Kolbe Center has to say.
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So you are saying then that the Church **infallibility** has taught that the earth is younger than 8,000 years? If so, please cite the church docuмent that says so, not what the Kolbe Center has to say.
I am not saying that the Church **infallibility** has taught that the earth is younger than 8,000 years.
I am saying that you need to learn what the Church has to say about Creation through the docuмents which She has promulgated, and a good place to find those is to read the books which I suggested, especially Special Creation Rediscovered.
If you study the issue deeply enough, even from a secular, scientific viewpoint, you will completely reject the notion of an earth millions of years old, as the Church and Holy Scripture does.
Gerry Keane was writing about the creation/evolution debate before Kolbe Centre came to be, I believe, though they were essentially in agreement.
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It is just chaff. If someone has docuмentation to protect himself he hides it, he has it in various locations, he does not reveal where it is to every idiot on the internet. Besides, McAfee must be very rich, no rich man lives in that building. That is why it was not kept up by the owners of the individual units, it is they that pay for the maintenance and repairs. The building was full of retirees with limited incomes. Owners like that are notorious for holding back on repairs. Just compare the condition of the roof of the building before it collapsed and all the buildings around. The buildings roof is green black, while the others are all clean and white. The roof was way past it's lifespan. (P.S.- the building would not collapse from a bad roof, the roof is concrete and rebar)
In my limited scanning of updates, they said yesterday that the repairs entailed a cost of between $80,000 and $300,000 per unit. Like a said above, the owners are retirees with limited incomes. Without looking at the property sales information, I would guess that the owners originally paid $80,000 to $300,000 for the units. I could see this as a reasonable explanation why they hesitated so long to undertake the repairs, since no building had ever collapsed like that in Florida.
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When you have a building that needs repairs, why wouldn't you start on the lower stories and work your way up, especially if there is structural damage on those lower stories? I'm not an architect, but don't the lower stories bear the load of the higher ones?
That "reporting" is done by news people that know nothing about construction and need to quickly get something out there as "news". You are right, the roof has nothing to do with the building collapsing, neither does the sinking of the pool have anything to do with the collapsing of the building. Those buildings are built on concrete and rebar pilings that are driven down into the ground in the quantities required to take the weight of the building. It is not built on a concrete slab, or concrete footers like a single family home might be built. The problem with concrete and rebar near the ocean is salt water corrosion, it can get through cracks in the concrete and destroy the steel rebar. Concrete without rebar is like chalk. The solution today is fiberglass rebar, but scarcely anyone uses it because steel is cheaper, and who knows what will happen with fiberglass rebar in the future, time will tell. Steel rebar has been used this way for well over 100 years.
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Just as I expected: sinkholes played a significant part in the collapse.
https://www.engineering.com/story/the-champlain-tower-collapse-in-florida-what-do-we-know
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Just as I expected: sinkholes played a significant part in the collapse.
https://www.engineering.com/story/the-champlain-tower-collapse-in-florida-what-do-we-know
That's a plausible explanation, the close up image showing the cars below, and the "Navy demolition exercise".
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My point is that the Church itself does not say the earth is 7,220 years old. I am sorry if you took offense. Anyway, this thread is about a building collapse, not a debate about creationism vs. evolution.
You're clearly new here. :laugh1:
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Just as I expected: sinkholes played a significant part in the collapse.
https://www.engineering.com/story/the-champlain-tower-collapse-in-florida-what-do-we-know
I read the entire article, it is from 6 days ago, it has all the speculations possible (see some below) , not just sinkholes. Sinkholes are unheard of in Miami Beach. Sinkholes are very common in Central Florida, and they swallow up houses and cars in an instant. If it was a sinkhole, it will be easy to see and find. The part about the gradual sinking of the ground (1+ mm per year. would take like 20 years to sink 1 inch if the rate continues) would not affect the building because the building is built on pilings, like a house on stilts, the surface ground could sink 3 feet and then just more stilt is exposed.
The article also says:
The collapse is compared to a planned demolition, one engineer saying “You could not get it to pancake like that if you tried to demolish it.”
As the collapsed section faces the ocean, structural damage from long term corrosion should be looked at as a possible cause.
The area had suffered a magnitude 3.9 tremor off the coast earlier in the week (June 21), the result of Navy demolition exercise (https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/video-navy-blast-off-florida-registers-as-3-9-magnitude-earthquake/).
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I read the entire article, it is from 6 days ago, it has all the speculations possible (see some below) , not just sinkholes. Sinkholes are unheard of in Miami Beach. Sinkholes are very common in Central Florida, and they swallow up houses and cars in an instant. If it was a sinkhole, it will be easy to see and find. The part about the gradual sinking of the ground (1+ mm per year. would take like 20 years to sink 1 inch if the rate continues) would not affect the building because the building is built on pilings, like a house on stilts, the surface ground could sink 3 feet and then just more stilt is exposed.
The article also says:
Sinkholes are not unheard of in Miami beach; there were two subsidence incident reports filed with the State nearby Surfside. However, I agree that the majority of sinkholes are located in the central party of the state.
https://ca.dep.state.fl.us/mapdirect/?focus=fgssinkholes
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I read the entire article, it is from 6 days ago, it has all the speculations possible (see some below) , not just sinkholes. Sinkholes are unheard of in Miami Beach. Sinkholes are very common in Central Florida, and they swallow up houses and cars in an instant. If it was a sinkhole, it will be easy to see and find. The part about the gradual sinking of the ground (1+ mm per year. would take like 20 years to sink 1 inch if the rate continues) would not affect the building because the building is built on pilings, like a house on stilts, the surface ground could sink 3 feet and then just more stilt is exposed.
The article also says:
At this point, I've just got to throw this out there, is it possible that central and southern Florida just might not be fit for human habitation and real estate development on a massive scale? (I say this in all seriousness, not with some sarcastic undercurrent about how Florida tends to attract, shall we say, a certain "element", witness the many "Florida Man" memes.) If the ground is that fragile, if sinkholes can open up and swallow whatever is built on them, and if the climate is that hostile to large-scale building, perhaps it's in God's plan for that area to remain wild, wetlands slowly descending into the ocean, IOW, one big huge Everglades-like region.
Of course, I know that doesn't put money in anybody's pocket, and in America, that's what makes the world go round. Maybe Miami, pleasant though it may be, just isn't meant to be there. Ditto Orlando. (Something about building on shifting sand, eh?)
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Now we find out that John McAfee owned a condo in the Miami condominium complex that collapsed!
July 1, 2021 in News (http://republicbroadcasting.org/category/news/) by RBN Staff (http://republicbroadcasting.org/author/slad/)
Source: SOTN (https://stateofthenation.co/?p=71738)
Is that where McAfee’s deadman’s switch was supposed to be thrown?
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If you do not know whom John McAfee was watch the following video:
https://www.brighteon.com/24cf4235-28d0-47e8-9910-541925db737c
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Now we find out that John McAfee owned a condo in the Miami condominium complex that collapsed!
July 1, 2021 in News (http://republicbroadcasting.org/category/news/) by RBN Staff (http://republicbroadcasting.org/author/slad/)
Source: SOTN (https://stateofthenation.co/?p=71738)
Is that where McAfee’s deadman’s switch was supposed to be thrown?
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Wow! Great find. This news puts a controlled demolition back on the table. I would not rule foul play by hαɾɾιs/Biden/Obama.
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Wow! Great find. This news puts a controlled demolition back on the table. I would not rule foul play by hαɾɾιs/Bıdɛn/σbαmα.
It's an image of a tweet which any 12 year old can produce in a few minutes out of thin air.
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Not Yet, there is much more:
Why was the IDF (Israel Defense Force) on scene of Disaster in Miami
https://www.brighteon.com/bf35104c-6a9b-42d9-8418-98744adead56
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Wow! Great find. This news puts a controlled demolition back on the table. I would not rule foul play by hαɾɾιs/Bıdɛn/σbαmα.
This has already been discussed on this thread. It is chaff meant to hide the truth.
If McAfee owned a unit there, what unit is it and under what name did he buy it, for the Miami-Dade County property records do not show any McAfee owning a unit there.
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Apparently the daughter of one of the firefighters was found. It appears her memorial has a rosary and miraculous medals with her picture.
https://www.local10.com/news/local/2021/07/02/miami-firefighters-daughter-killed-in-surfside-building-collapse-identified-as-stella-cattarossi/
:'(
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I heard on the news that the condo is going to be immediately torn down. In any police investigation tearing down the scene
of crime without a complete investigation in what caused the collapse is confirmation that something is being covered up.
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Now we find out that John McAfee owned a condo in the Miami condominium complex that collapsed!
July 1, 2021 in News (http://republicbroadcasting.org/category/news/) by RBN Staff (http://republicbroadcasting.org/author/slad/)
Source: SOTN (https://stateofthenation.co/?p=71738)
Is that where McAfee’s deadman’s switch was supposed to be thrown?
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Debunked. (https://checkyourfact.com/2021/06/28/fact-check-john-mcafee-tweet-files-miami/)
1) When we focus on useless nonsense like this, we're forgetting the human aspect of this. If God forbid, this happened to your family, we wouldn't be doing any of this fortune cookie voodoo with you. We would be doing the exact opposite.
2) You can alter the text of anything. Right click in your browser on a box of text and go to "inspect element". You'll see the text along with some code. You can literally edit the text right there on that page to be anything you want.
3) John McAfee had lived in Belize for a very long time. The United States is one of only two countries that taxes citizens abroad. He never gave up his US passport, so he was subject to this law. If they wanted to get him, they had a very long time.
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The US government has been after McAfee for years.He has been a kind of modern wild west type of character, always evading the authorities. Even with a passport a country would have to have an extradition agreement. I think that is why Spain was holding him for US taxes- awaiting extradition. I'm not sure if Belize has one ( agreement)All I know is that the guy never stayed still.
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I heard on the news that the condo is going to be immediately torn down. In any police investigation tearing down the scene
of crime without a complete investigation in what caused the collapse is confirmation that something is being covered up.
Supposedly, it's out of necessity, due to the impending tropical storm (which could always become a hurricane). I do have to wonder, though, how this would contrast with the hazard to public safety, if the ruined condos were just allowed to stay as they are, to take a direct hit, and fall down on their own. Flying debris? Further danger to the "rescue" workers --- reality check, everyone, they're all dead, all you can do now is pray for their souls, and go in and recover their remains when that is possible. I don't know. I'm neither an architect or a FEMA risk analyst.
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Yes I saw that as well. Still smells.
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Remaining Surfside Condo Structure Demolished Ahead of Tropical Storm
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/remaining-surfside-condo-structure-demolished-ahead-of-tropical-storm_
Building collapsed away from existing debris will expand search and rescue efforts, officials say
By Isabel van Brugen (https://www.theepochtimes.com/author-isabel-van-brugen) and Melanie Sun (https://www.theepochtimes.com/author-melanie-sun)
July 4, 2021 Updated: July 4, 2021
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A demolition crew has collapsed the remaining structures of the collapsed condo in Surfside (https://www.theepochtimes.com/t-surfside), Florida (https://www.theepochtimes.com/t-florida).
Explosives were set off at 10:30 p.m. ET at Champlain Towers South in a controlled operation that officials say will aid search and rescue efforts for the remaining 121 victims still missing following the June 24 collapse.
Officials say the detonation was also to manage risks of the damaged building falling on its own as Tropical Storm Elsa approaches.
“We want to make sure that we control which way the building falls, and not a hurricane,” Mayor Charles Burkett of Surfside told reporters before the demolition.
Twenty-four people are known to have died. No one has yet to be found alive from the disaster as rescue efforts continue.
Burkett also told (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-surfside-mayor-charles-burkett-face-the-nation-07-04-2021/) CBS News that the demolition would bring the building down in a westward direction so that the search and rescue area on the other side of the building with potential survivors is not affected.
He emphasized that the operation continues to be a search and rescue, not a recovery effort, citing a BBC docuмentary which outlines survivability after a building collapse.
“This rescue effort, as far as I’m concerned, will go on until everybody’s pulled out of that debris,” he said.
Demolition staff worked Saturday to drill holes for the explosives to bring the damaged building down.
A Miami-Dade fire official said previously that search teams could resume their work between 15 and 60 minutes after the demolition.
(https://img.theepochtimes.com/assets/uploads/2021/07/05/surfside-600x400.jpg) (https://img.theepochtimes.com/assets/uploads/2021/07/05/surfside-1200x800.jpg) The rest of the Champlain South tower is seen being demolished by a controlled explosion in Surfside, Florida, late on July 4, 2021. (CHANDAN KHANNA/AFP via Getty Images)
Speaking to reporters Sunday night, Miami-Dade County Mayor Daniella Levine Cava explained that the demolition method being used is called “energetic felling” and “uses small, strategically placed explosives and relies on gravity to bring the building down in place.”
The method would bring the tower down and away from the debris, allowing an expanded search to previously inaccessible areas, she said.
Cava on Friday signed the emergency order to demolish the remaining part of the building. Officials previously said they expected it would take weeks for a demolition to be scheduled.
Prior to the demolition, Levine said nearby residents were urged to stay indoors as a precautionary measure due to dust and other particles that will be an “unavoidable byproduct” of the demolition.
Those living between 86th Street and 89th Street, Abbott Avenue and the shoreline were instructed to shelter in place between 7 p.m. ET until two hours after the demolition. They’ve been asked to keep their windows closed.
Investigators have yet to determine what caused a large section of the 40-year-old building to collapse in the early hours of June 24. However, in 2018 it was flagged by an engineering firm for “major structural damage.”
The county requires buildings to undergo recertification starting at the 40-year mark and every 10 years thereafter. The Champlain Towers South was built in 1981.
Cava told reporters on Wednesday that she backs a probe by State Attorney Katherine Fernandez Rundle that would examine the factors that led to the collapse of the 12-story building.
“I have pledged my full cooperation as she moves forward,” the mayor said. “I will do—and my team will do—everything possible to aid them in their efforts to continue that investigation.”
Rundle said she would bring the matter before grand jurors soon.
“I am going to urge them to take a look at it,” she told the Miami Herald. “Whether they do or not, it’s completely their decision.”
Tropical Storm Elsa is expected to arrive in South Florida on Tuesday, bringing wind speeds of 60 mph and heavy rain.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Tropical storm was just a excuse to destroy the scene of the crime in which a proper investigation cannot be done.
It is a coverup.
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I wonder how many weeks until the TRUTH will come out about this whole Florida condo collapse.
There have got to be truths and facts we (the public at large) didn't know during the first week or two of the tragedy.
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I wonder how many weeks until the TRUTH will come out about this whole Florida condo collapse.
There have got to be truths and facts we (the public at large) didn't know during the first week or two of the tragedy.
Profit over people if we're being honest. They structurally ignored this building for years, but it makes them money. It's a classic example of the soulless elites living life in their mansions and their boats while us regular folk are put in danger.
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I wonder how many weeks until the TRUTH will come out about this whole Florida condo collapse.
There have got to be truths and facts we (the public at large) didn't know during the first week or two of the tragedy.
After 19 years we still not know what really happened on 9-11-2001. The official story is bunk.
When it comes to McAfee's apartment and why the IDF was present, never.
Since the building has been destroyed, many of the bodies will never be found.
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Profit over people if we're being honest. They structurally ignored this building for years, but it makes them money. It's a classic example of the soulless elites living life in their mansions and their boats while us regular folk are put in danger.
That truth does not apply here, for this was a condominium, that is, each unit, apartment, was owned by those that lived in it. They are all just regular people, mostly retirees. The building was not properly maintained because they put it off to save money. That is very common, because no building ever fell like that. (P.S. - I still believe it was a demolition job.)
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Profit over people if we're being honest. They structurally ignored this building for years, but it makes them money. It's a classic example of the soulless elites living life in their mansions and their boats while us regular folk are put in danger.
This is a condo, not a housing project. Someone on the condo board, if not all of them probably has been paying off the city inspector for years.
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Our MSM in Canada stated there was "a tight knit Jєωιѕн community" and they were callling in a Rabbi for whatever reason.
Also inspection reports (82 pages) from 2018 indicated severe deterioration and that is why the repairs were started albeit on the roof but the foundation for the pool and the garage were damaged.
It's a Jєωιѕн neighborhood and many if not most of the victims are Jєωιѕн. That's why the families asked the Israelis to help with search and rescue.
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It's a Jєωιѕн neighborhood and many if not most of the victims are Jєωιѕн. That's why the families asked the Israelis to help with search and rescue.
You are correct. Israel also has a history of helping out (https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/why-israel-got-to-surfside-so-fast/2021/06/28/afbcb89c-d855-11eb-8c87-ad6f27918c78_story.html) in situations of disaster regardless of whether they are Jєωιѕн or not. That's really commendable, honestly.
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You are correct. Israel also has a history of helping out (https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/why-israel-got-to-surfside-so-fast/2021/06/28/afbcb89c-d855-11eb-8c87-ad6f27918c78_story.html) in situations of disaster regardless of whether they are Jєωιѕн or not. That's really commendable, honestly.
The devastation caused by the IDF in Palestine (bombing occupied buildings and homes with hundreds of deaths) is not helping out. Not commendable.
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The devastation caused by the IDF in Palestine (bσɱbing occupied buildings and homes with hundreds of deaths) is not helping out. Not commendable.
I agree 100%. I am talking about the once-in-a-blue-moon foreign aid to bad situations. Their government is still atrocious and that hasn't changed.
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It's a Jєωιѕн neighborhood and many if not most of the victims are Jєωιѕн. That's why the families asked the Israelis to help with search and rescue.
The Israeli military arrived like one week after, too late to save anyone. If they really were there to save anyone, they would have been there right away. The fact that they showed up so late, smells of something else, or at the very least it was all just for show.