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"The Wickedness of Creating Large Families"
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  • Insight into the satanic origins of modernity's view on large families....

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    Margaret Sanger (1879–1966).  Woman and the New Race.  1920.

    V. The Wickedness of Creating Large Families


    THE MOST serious evil of our times is that of encouraging the bringing into the world of large families. The most immoral practice of the day is breeding too many children. These statements may startle those who have never made a thorough investigation of the problem. They are, nevertheless, well considered, and the truth of them is abundantly borne out by an examination of facts and conditions which are part of everyday experience or observation.

      The immorality of large families lies not only in their injury to the members of those families but in their injury to society. If one were asked offhand to name the greatest evil of the day one might, in the light of one’s education by the newspapers, or by agitators, make any one of a number of replies. One might say prostitution, the oppression of labor, child labor, or war. Yet the poverty and neglect which drives a girl into prostitution usually has its source in a family too large to be properly cared for by the mother, if the girl is not actually subnormal because her mother bore too many children, and, therefore, the more likely to become a prostitute. Labor is oppressed because it is too plentiful; wages go up and conditions improve when labor is scarce. Large families make plentiful labor and they also provide the workers for the child-labor factories as well as the armies of unemployed. That population, swelled by overbreeding, is a basic cause of war, we shall see in a later chapter. Without the large family, not one of these evils could exist to any considerable extent, much less to the extent that they exist to-day. The large family—especially the family too large to receive adequate care—is the one thing necessary to the perpetuation of these and other evils and is therefore a greater evil than any one of them.

      First of the manifold immoralities involved in the producing of a large family is the outrage upon the womanhood of the mother. If no mother bore children against her will or against her feminine instinct, there would be few large families. The average mother of a baby every year or two has been forced into unwilling motherhood, so far as the later arrivals are concerned. It is not the less immoral when the power which compels enslavement is the church, state or the propaganda of well-meaning patriots clamoring against “race ѕυιcιdє.” The wrong is as great as if the enslaving force were the unbridled passions of her husband. The wrong to the unwilling mother, deprived of her liberty, and all opportunity of self-development, is in itself enough to condemn large families as immoral.

      The outrage upon the woman does not end there, however. Excessive childbearing is now recognized by the medical profession as one of the most prolific causes of ill health in women. There are in America hundreds of thousands of women, in good health when they married, who have within a few years become physical wrecks, incapable of mothering their children, incapable of enjoying life.

      “Every physician,” writes Dr. Wm. J. Robinson in Birth Control or The Limitation of Offspring, “knows that too frequent childbirth, nursing and the sleepless nights that are required in bringing up a child exhaust the vitality of thousands of mothers, make them prematurely old, or turn them into chronic invalids.”

      The effect of the large family upon the father is only less disastrous than it is upon the mother. The spectacle of the young man, happy in health, strength and the prospect of a joyful love life, makes us smile in sympathy. But this same young man ten years later is likely to present a spectacle as sorry as it is familiar. If he finds that the children come one after another at short intervals—so fast indeed that no matter how hard he works, nor how many hours, he cannot keep pace with their needs—the lover whom all the world loves will have been converted into a disheartened, threadbare incompetent, whom all the world pities or despises. Instead of being the happy, competent father, supporting one or two children as they should be supported, he is the frantic struggler against the burden of five or six, with the tragic prospect of several more. The ranks of the physically weakened, mentally dejected and spiritually hopeless young fathers of large families attest all too strongly the immorality of the system.

      If its effects upon the mother and the wage earning father were not enough to condemn the large family as an institution, its effects upon the child would make the case against it conclusive. In the United States, some 300,000 children under one year of age die each twelve months. Approximately ninety per cent of these deaths are directly or indirectly due to malnutrition, to other diseased conditions resulting from poverty, or to excessive childbearing by the mother.

      The direct relationship between the size of the wage-earner’s family and the death of children less than one year old has been revealed by a number of studies of the infant death rate. One of the clearest of these was that made by Arthur Geissler among miners and cited by Dr. Alfred Ploetz before the First International Eugenic Congress. 1  Taking 26,000 births from unselected marriages, and omitting families having one and two children, Geissler got this result:

    Deaths During
    First Year

     

    1st born children    23%

     

    2nd    20%

     

    3rd    21%

     

    4th    23%

     

    5th    26%

     

    6th    29%

     

    7th    31%

     

    8th    33%

     

    9th    36%

     

    10th  41%

     

    11th  51%

     

    12th  60%


    Thus we see that the second and third children have a very good chance to live through the first year. Children arriving later have less and less chance, until the twelfth has hardly any chance at all to live twelve months.

      This does not complete the case, however, for those who care to go farther into the subject will find that many of those who live for a year die before they reach the age of five.

      Many, perhaps, will think it idle to go farther in demonstrating the immorality of large families, but since there is still an abundance of proof at hand, it may be offered for the sake of those who find difficulty in adjusting old-fashioned ideas to the facts. The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it. The same factors which create the terrible infant mortality rate, and which swell the death rate of children between the ages of one and five, operate even more extensively to lower the health rate of the surviving members. Moreover, the overcrowded homes of large families reared in poverty further contribute to this condition. Lack of medical attention is still another factor, so that the child who must struggle for health in competition with other members of a closely packed family has still great difficulties to meet after its poor constitution and malnutrition have been accounted for.

      The probability of a child handicapped by a weak constitution, an overcrowded home, inadequate food and care, and possibly a deficient mental equipment, winding up in prison or an almshouse, is too evident for comment. Every jail, hospital for the insane, reformatory and institution for the feebleminded cries out against the evils of too prolific breeding among wage-workers.

      We shall see when we come to consider the relation of voluntary motherhood to the rights of labor and to the prevention of war that the large family of the worker makes possible his oppression, and that it also is the chief cause of such human h0Ɩ0cαųsts as the one just closed after the four and a half bloodiest years in history. No such extended consideration is necessary to indicate from what source the young slaves in the child-labor factories come. They come from large impoverished families—from families in which the older children must put their often feeble strength to the task of supporting the younger.

      The immorality of bringing large families into the world is recognized by those who are combatting the child-labor evil. Mary Alden Hopkins, writing in Harper’s Weekly in 1915, quotes Owen R. Lovejoy, general secretary of the National Child Labor Committee, as follows:

      “How many are too many?… Any more than the mother can look after and the father make a living for … Under present conditions as soon as there are too many children for the father to feed, some of them go to work in the mine or factory or store or mill near by. In doing this, they not only injure their tender growing bodies, but indirectly, they drag down the father’s wage … The home becomes a mere rendezvous for the nightly gathering of bodies numb with weariness and minds drunk with sleep.” And if they survive the factory, they marry to perpetuate and multiply their ignorance, weakness and diseases.

      What have large families to do with prostitution? Ask anyone who has studied the problem. The size of the family has a direct bearing on the lives of thousands of girls who are living in prostitution. Poverty, lack of care and training during adolescence, overcrowded housing conditions which accompany large families are universally recognized causes of “waywardness” in girls. Social workers have cried out in vain against these conditions, pointing to their inevitable results.

      In the foreword to Downward Paths, A. Maude Royden says: “Intimately connected with this aspect of the question is that of home and housing, especially of the child. The age at which children are first corrupted is almost incredibly early, until we consider the nature of the surroundings in which they grow up. Insufficient space, over-crowding, the herding together of all ages and both sexes—these things break down the barriers of a natural modesty and reserve. Where decency is practically impossible, unchastity will follow, and follow almost as a matter of course.” And the child who has no place to play except in the street, who lacks mother care, whose chief emotional experience is the longing for the necessities of life? We know too well the end of the sorry tale. The forlorn figures of the shadows where lurk the girls who sell themselves that they may eat and be clothed rise up to damn the moral dogmatists, who mouth their sickening exhortations to the wives and mothers of the workers to breed, breed, breed.

      The evidence is conclusive as regards the large family of the wage-worker. Social workers, physicians and reformers cry out to stop the breeding of these, who must exist in want until they become permanent members of the ranks of the unfit.

      But what of the family of the wealthy or the merely well-to-do? It is among these classes that we find the women who have attained to voluntary motherhood. It is to these classes, too, that the “race ѕυιcιdє” alarmists have from time to time addressed specially emphasized pleas for more children. The advocates of more prolific breeding urge that these same women have more intelligence, better health, more time to care for children and more means to support them. They therefore declare that it is the duty of such women to populate the land with strong, healthy, intelligent offspring—to bear children in great numbers.

      It is high time to expose the sheer foolishness of this argument. The first absurdity is that the women who are in comfortable circuмstances could continue to be cultured and of social value if they were the mothers of large families. Neither could they maintain their present standard of health nor impart it to their children.

      While it is true that they have resources at their command which ease the burden of childbearing and child rearing immeasurably, it is also true that the wealthy mother, as well as the poverty-stricken mother, must give from her own system certain elements which it takes time to replace. Excessive childbearing is harder on the woman who lacks care than on the one who does not, but both alike must give their bodies time to recover from the strain of childbearing. If the women in fortunate circuмstances gave ear to the demand of masculine “race-ѕυιcιdє” 2  fanatics they could within a few years be down to the condition of their sisters who lack time to cultivate their talents and intellects. A vigorous, intelligent, fruitfully cultured motherhood is all but impossible if no restriction is placed by that motherhood upon the number of children.

      Wage-workers and salaried people have a vital interest in the size of the families of those better situated in life. Large families among the rich are immoral not only because they invade the natural right of woman to the control of her own body, to self-development and to self-expression, but because they are oppressive to the poorer elements of society. If the upper and middle classes of society had kept pace with the poorer elements of society in reproduction during the past fifty years, the working class to-day would be forced down to the level of the Chinese whose wage standard is said to be a few handfuls of rice a day.

      If these considerations are not enough to halt the masculine advocate of large families who reminds us of the days of our mothers and grandmothers, let it be remembered that bearing and rearing six or eight children to-day is a far different matter from what it was in the generations just preceding. Physically and nervously, the woman of to-day is not fitted to bear children as frequently as was her mother and her mother’s mother. The high tension of modern life and the complicating of woman’s everyday existence have doubtless contributed to this result. And who of us can say, until a careful scientific investigation is made, how much the rapid development of tuberculosis and other grave diseases, even among the well-nurtured, may be due to the depletion of the physical capital of the unborn by the too prolific childbearing of preceding generations of mothers?

      The immorality of bringing into being a large family is a wrong-doing shared by three—the mother, the father and society. Upon all three falls the burden of guilt. It may be said for the mother and father that they are usually ignorant. What shall be said of society? What shall be said of us who permit outworn laws and customs to persist in piling up the appalling sum of public expense, misery and spiritual degradation? The indictment against the large unwanted family is written in human woe. Who in the light of intelligent understanding shall have the brazenness to stand up and defend it?

      One thing we know—the woman who has escaped the chains of too great reproductivity will never again wear them. The birth rate of the wealthy and upper classes will never appreciably rise. The woman of these classes is free of her most oppressive bonds. Being free, we have a right to expect much of her. We expect her to give still greater expression to her feminine spirit—we expect her to enrich the intellectual, artistic, moral and spiritual life of the world. We expect her to demolish old systems of morals, a degenerate prudery, Dark-Age religious concepts, laws that enslave women by denying them the knowledge of their bodies, and information as to contraceptives. These must go to the scrapheap of vicious, cast-off things. Hers is the power to send them there. Shall we look to her to strike the first blow which shall wrench her sisters from the grip of the dead hand of the past?

    Note 1.  Problems in Eugenics, London, 1913. [back]

    Note 2.  Interesting and perhaps surprising light is thrown upon the origin of the term “race ѕυιcιdє” by the following quotation from an article by Harold Bolce in the Cosmopolitan (New York) for May 1909:

      “‘The sole effect of prolificacy is to fill the cemeteries with tiny graves, sacrifices of the innocents to the Moloch of immoderate maternity.’ Thus insists Edward A. Ross, Professor of Sociology in the University of Wisconsin; and he protests against the ‘dwarfing of women and the cheapening of men’ as regards the restriction of the birth rate as a ‘movement at bottom salutary, and its evils minor, transient and curable.’ This is virile gospel, and particularly significant coming from the teacher who invented the term ‘race ѕυιcιdє,’ which many have erroneously attributed to Mr. Roosevelt.” [back]


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    "The Wickedness of Creating Large Families"
    « Reply #1 on: September 23, 2011, 12:04:12 PM »
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  • Is this malignant harpy's opinion really that much different than "longtimetrad's"? that spoke so disparagingly of having a young wife who bears a child every year?  Praying that I never marry?

    The number one reason men cower before feminism is they believe that they will become unpopular among the women in their social group and that a woman will not then go with them.  

    It is to some extent true, that social pressure can change can quickly change a woman's attitude towards you.

    But those who go along to get some scraps of approval from the society of women may as well give up on their posterity.

    Already, as monogamy has broken down, many men find it exceedingly difficult to find decent women to marry.

    Don't take sanctimonious advice from the older generation about "how to treat a woman."  Follow morality as it was followed in the past.  Follow customs as they were in the past.  Do not allow twisted people who pretend to be on your side but are in reality the sort of people who "pray you never marry."


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    « Reply #2 on: September 23, 2011, 12:09:23 PM »
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  • One thing that people forget is that the effects of propaganda are cuмulative.

    For all that older people remember and preserve from the past, they also become more and more programmed over the years, especially as they become complacent.

    Such people cannot tell you how to deal with this society.  In fact their advice is likely to be very bad in the vast majority of cases.

    As a friend of mine who tries to do political organizing tells me, the older generation is hopeless.  For the most part they're thinking (to the extent that they think) of what's left of their life.  Their ideas are fixed.  Their thinking is based on a society that no longer exists, and on the propaganda they imbibed, and in fact they are the ones responsible for the state society is in today.

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    « Reply #3 on: September 23, 2011, 12:12:51 PM »
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  • Not older people are like this.  I like old people.  My friend who criticizes them likes them, visits them.  But it is a serious problem.  Most of them have spent their lives avoiding the hard issues but now they bemoan what's happened to the country.  


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    « Reply #4 on: September 23, 2011, 12:17:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    As a friend of mine who tries to do political organizing tells me, the older generation is hopeless.  For the most part they're thinking (to the extent that they think) of what's left of their life.  Their ideas are fixed.  Their thinking is based on a society that no longer exists, and on the propaganda they imbibed, and in fact they are the ones responsible for the state society is in today.


    True. The boomer generation is just as self-absorbed and clueless as ever. They may go down as the most satanic generation in history, as they wrecked Western Civilization in one generation.

    Much is made of "the greatest generation" of WWII. Yet they raised the most self-absorbed, rebellious, hedonistic children the world has ever seen. They were personally a great generation in their subscribing to traditional morality and sacrifice, but their parenting apparently stunk to the heavens.


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    « Reply #5 on: September 23, 2011, 12:22:38 PM »
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    One thing that people forget is that the effects of propaganda are cuмulative.

    For all that older people remember and preserve from the past, they also become more and more programmed over the years, especially as they become complacent.


    It's a sickening feeling when you first realize this about your parents. My dad used to get angry at the vulgarity of popular culture; now, nearing retirement, he enjoys watching filthy TV sitcoms and agreeing with whatever the oped columnist in his favourite paper said that morning. He has a PhD.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 23, 2011, 12:24:58 PM »
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  • I found this argument humorous...

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    “Every physician,” writes Dr. Wm. J. Robinson in Birth Control or The Limitation of Offspring, “knows that too frequent childbirth, nursing and the sleepless nights that are required in bringing up a child exhaust the vitality of thousands of mothers, make them prematurely old, or turn them into chronic invalids.”


    And this one chilling...

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    The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.


    And even rich women shouldn't have kids?

     
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    It is high time to expose the sheer foolishness of this argument. The first absurdity is that the women who are in comfortable circuмstances could continue to be cultured and of social value if they were the mothers of large families. Neither could they maintain their present standard of health nor impart it to their children.

      While it is true that they have resources at their command which ease the burden of childbearing and child rearing immeasurably, it is also true that the wealthy mother, as well as the poverty-stricken mother, must give from her own system certain elements which it takes time to replace. Excessive childbearing is harder on the woman who lacks care than on the one who does not, but both alike must give their bodies time to recover from the strain of childbearing. If the women in fortunate circuмstances gave ear to the demand of masculine “race-ѕυιcιdє” 2  fanatics they could within a few years be down to the condition of their sisters who lack time to cultivate their talents and intellects. A vigorous, intelligent, fruitfully cultured motherhood is all but impossible if no restriction is placed by that motherhood upon the number of children.


    And get this argument that "modern life" (in 1920!!) was too hectic to raise as many kids as in previous generations. Another hilarious argument....


     
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    If these considerations are not enough to halt the masculine advocate of large families who reminds us of the days of our mothers and grandmothers, let it be remembered that bearing and rearing six or eight children to-day is a far different matter from what it was in the generations just preceding. Physically and nervously, the woman of to-day is not fitted to bear children as frequently as was her mother and her mother’s mother. The high tension of modern life and the complicating of woman’s everyday existence have doubtless contributed to this result. And who of us can say, until a careful scientific investigation is made, how much the rapid development of tuberculosis and other grave diseases, even among the well-nurtured, may be due to the depletion of the physical capital of the unborn by the too prolific childbearing of preceding generations of mothers?

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    « Reply #7 on: September 23, 2011, 12:30:49 PM »
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    One thing that people forget is that the effects of propaganda are cuмulative.

    For all that older people remember and preserve from the past, they also become more and more programmed over the years, especially as they become complacent.


    It's a sickening feeling when you first realize this about your parents. My dad used to get angry at the vulgarity of popular culture; now, nearing retirement, he enjoys watching filthy TV sitcoms and agreeing with whatever the oped columnist in his favourite paper said that morning. He has a PhD.


    Graham, this is what I've noticed as well. Boomers who used to be bent against the societal devolution as recently as the 80's and 90's have, through daily indoctrination via the mass media, grown lax about these ideals and seem content to embrace the easy life and say to Hell with it.


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    « Reply #8 on: September 23, 2011, 12:34:08 PM »
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  •  :barf: I could barely get past 2/3 of this. The hate is simply sickening.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 23, 2011, 12:35:03 PM »
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  • If modern life is too "hectic" to raise a normal number of children, then it behooves us to re-visit which elements of "modern life" we are going to participate in...

    I certainly wouldn't accept modern life "no questions asked" -- there are obviously parts of it which are worthy of the rubbish bin.

    For example, on principle I don't have a cell phone. I don't like the idea that I'm always connected, even for the 4 hours a week when I'm not at home :)

    I like to have SOME time to think, without interruptions...

    And so on...
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    « Reply #10 on: September 23, 2011, 12:42:28 PM »
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    Follow customs as they were in the past.  


    Not that one should be anachronistically "chivalrous."  Chivalrous in the sense of being good, just, honest, trustworthy and kind.  But not in the distorted sense it's imagined today.  The idea that women are immune to all penalties and responsibilities, is the modern contortion of "chivalry." That's the opposite of what I mean.  What I mean is that customs in the past favored Christian men whereas today they are absolutely opposed to Christian men.  If anyone asks you to do something that Christian men were not required to do in the past (for example, buy a diamond wedding ring, submit to an overlengthy engagement, accept disrespectful treatment as being normal behavior, etc, "parental consent" to talk to adult women (was not required of Christian men in the past!), telling you must avoid young women and only go with women closer to your age, telling you you mustn't worry about woman's past) they should be told to go fly a kite.

    (and that includes priests who say such things)


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    « Reply #11 on: September 23, 2011, 12:50:06 PM »
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  • Or for married men - being told to do all sorts of women's housework, etc.  Excoriating men for ever getting angry with their wives, treating them as monsters if they are driven to anger by a petulant wife.

    That's the older generation for you.

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  • The manner in which courtship occurs and the resulting size of families are closely connected.

    It is obvious that modern courtship, which progresses at a glacial place, through college to cohabitation (or something like it) and finally to marriage over the course of many years, usually with many long term "boyfriends" is totally opposed to the traditional family.

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    « Reply #13 on: September 23, 2011, 01:01:50 PM »
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    for example, buy a diamond engagement ring


    I have nothing against gold wedding bands.

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    « Reply #14 on: September 23, 2011, 01:15:54 PM »
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    Or for married men - being told to do all sorts of women's housework, etc.  Excoriating men for ever getting angry with their wives, treating them as monsters if they are driven to anger by a petulant wife.

    That's the older generation for you.


    I'm not 'told' to do all sort of housework. Many times my wife asks me to do something like take the heavy vacuum upstairs. I'll do it, and go ahead and vacuum the room. I will also do things like the dishes, if I see she's having a rough day with the kids. But I don't think its wrong to help with chores. (and not saying you're saying that either, nor did I thumb u down for it.)