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Offline lauraelizabeth

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Why even bother with the skirt on Sunday, then?
« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2013, 03:50:47 PM »
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  • I hope not! I don't really buy clothes ever (I stop at the Salvation Army about ten times a year, but at least half the time I come out empty-handed). God always provides with whatever I need, that's for sure.

    One Christian woman from Pakistan whose children went to a local NO school was moving and she left about fifteen of those tunic/pants outfits which PereJoseph posted (the pink). They are very very beautiful, made from nice material (silk, linen, cotton...natural fibers). Nobody at the school wanted them because, well, most don't have any good taste =) hahaha. My mom, who is the secretary, knew exaaaactly who would want them ;). I never wear them out on errands, but I wear them around the house and outside seeing as I have literally no neighbors except for wild animals. They are the only pants I have (save for leggings, which I wear under long skirts in the winter/spring/fall. It is cold on this mountain!)...I don't worry too much about wearing them at home...only when I leave.


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    Why even bother with the skirt on Sunday, then?
    « Reply #31 on: May 09, 2013, 05:28:48 PM »
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  • lauraelizabeth,

    Wearing Pakistani clothes may not be such a good idea, even if they are modest.  You could easily be mistaken for a Muslim.  I'd be careful where you wear the clothes.  Around home is fine, and perhaps where you live, it presents no problem.  There are places I'd advise against it. See the private message!

    Just concerned!

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    Why even bother with the skirt on Sunday, then?
    « Reply #32 on: May 09, 2013, 05:39:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: Frances
    lauraelizabeth,

    Wearing Pakistani clothes may not be such a good idea, even if they are modest.  You could easily be mistaken for a Muslim.  I'd be careful where you wear the clothes.  Around home is fine, and perhaps where you live, it presents no problem.  There are places I'd advise against it. See the private message!

    Just concerned!

    Frances.


    agree 100%

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    Why even bother with the skirt on Sunday, then?
    « Reply #33 on: May 09, 2013, 08:04:03 PM »
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  • nooo I never wear them anywhere but home (like as pajamas or 'cleaning clothes'). I was just trying to semi-answer the question about pants being a sin if worn at home.....which I am not really sure about. I live on a mountain and my only neighbors are relatives so if I am wearing them in the garden.......nobody (and I really mean nobody!) is going to see me =)
    I have had muslims greet me in arabic (because of headscarves)......even though I am in western dress and wearing a LARGE St. Benedict medal...but I correct them quickly and have not had any problems with it. In fact, most have expressed happiness just to see modesty. Also, this is rare because there are no cities nearby to me with many muslims.
    Thank you for your concern!
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    Why even bother with the skirt on Sunday, then?
    « Reply #34 on: May 09, 2013, 11:10:45 PM »
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  • Quote from: lauraelizabeth
    nooo I never wear them anywhere but home (like as pajamas or 'cleaning clothes'). I was just trying to semi-answer the question about pants being a sin if worn at home.....which I am not really sure about. I live on a mountain and my only neighbors are relatives so if I am wearing them in the garden.......nobody (and I really mean nobody!) is going to see me =)
    I have had muslims greet me in arabic (because of headscarves)......even though I am in western dress and wearing a LARGE St. Benedict medal...but I correct them quickly and have not had any problems with it. In fact, most have expressed happiness just to see modesty. Also, this is rare because there are no cities nearby to me with many muslims.
    Thank you for your concern!
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    I think at home/among family and "in public" are two different things.

    Anyone who says otherwise is sadly mistaken.

    It's common sense. You wear pajamas at home, but you wouldn't wear them to the grocery store (though the modern world tries to muddy this line as well as everything else by having students wear pajamas to school during "homecoming week")

    That having been said, a female is supposed to wear female clothing as much as possible, for your own sake and that of your daughter(s) if you have any -- or any other female relatives (for the sake of good example). Wearing pants under a skirt for warmth is one thing; wearing jeans as a matter of course "unless I go out" is another thing altogether.

    Wearing different clothing makes one feel different, and deport oneself differently. We mustn't lose sight of this.

    Pants show off the female form too much; it is uncharitable towards any male non-relatives that would see you. If you keep that in mind and it still "passes the test", then go ahead.
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    Why even bother with the skirt on Sunday, then?
    « Reply #35 on: May 09, 2013, 11:56:20 PM »
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    Is it a sin, venial or mortal for a women to wear loose fitting pants around the house.  I am talking about pants that a normal man will not wear because they are definitely a women's style.

    Is it a sin?


    Myrna,
    Since you asked, I will say no, but why are you asking lay people on a forum whether something is a sin?  I suggest that you ask your priest.  
    God bless you.
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    Why even bother with the skirt on Sunday, then?
    « Reply #36 on: May 10, 2013, 12:04:02 AM »
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    If someone is "mortified" because they're told they're expected to wear a skirt, then they have a problem.


    Telesphorus,
    You're losing perspective if you are comparing an elderly woman who has been wearing pant suits to her N.O. parishes for decades to a Traditional Catholic girl or woman who knows better.  

    We older folks remember when we were shocked back in the late 60s when our pastors began allowing women to come to Mass in their pants, but remember that the folks who have been in the N.O. now for 40+ years often have to begin the learning process all over.  




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    Why even bother with the skirt on Sunday, then?
    « Reply #37 on: May 10, 2013, 07:57:01 PM »
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  • Quote from: PereJoseph
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    If you don't mind my asking, why did the Pope have to write about women in pants in the 860's?

    I'm curious about this as well.  Can someone answer this question?


    The Bulgars were equestrian nomads from the Pontic steppe who migrated seasonally in search of pasturage.  They must have worn clothing similar to other steppe nomads, which seems to include a type of pants under a type of dress or robe.  Perhaps this dress has varied in length over time, and the Bulgar women therefore observed a custom akin to that found in Chinese and Indian and other Asian women regarding the wearing of bifurcated garments for their lower body.  There was considerable tension and regular warfare between the urbane Byzantines and the rustic Bulgars, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Byzantines insisted on the Bulgars' being wicked because of their "barbarian" customs.  Perhaps Pope Nicholas was responding with that in mind ("No, you don't have to live like the Greeks to be saved and to be pleasing to God").  Here is a traditional Tajik women's outfit (who knows if it is traditional enough to be representative of Pontic steppe women's clothing from the mid-IXth century, though, especially considering the Bulgars' migration to what is now Bulgaria) :




    The pants are on the girl standing fourth to the right in the pink outfit.

    Feminism was still unheard of, but amongst nomadic societies it is common for much of the hard labour to be done by the women, while the men fight and hunt or tend to their horses and sheep.  That is to say, the women are servants of the men, and in the old days (such as the time when Pope Nicholas wrote to the Bulgars) on the steppe women were often made a man's wife by being kidnapped or the marriage being arranged for an alliance.  Afterwards, a man's wife could potentially be stolen by another, and there is a possibility that she would not be rescued and would live as a concubine.  Polygamy was observed amongst the khans of different groups, as well.  

    The weather changes often on the steppe (so practical clothing is required), and the home is often on the move, so the sedentary housekeeping of Western women cannot really be maintained there, and the nomads must find a different way to separate the functions of men and women, according to the nature of masculinity and femininity.  That being said, I think that they could readily adopt some Western customs as a point of virtue, and have their society transformed for the better by Our Lord without having to abandon nomadism as such, since many of their present customs are at variance with the natural law (polygamy, for instance, which is something that was merely permitted prior to the New Covenant but is no longer allowed).  Unfortunately, Christianity has not been much of an influence there, or else it has come to the steppe via the Eastern schismatics and by Nestorians.




    Thank you Pere Joseph!