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"Race of giants" is in Holy Scripture
« on: September 05, 2025, 03:59:30 PM »
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  • Deuteronomy 3:11

     11 For only Og king of Basan remained of the race of the giants. His bed of iron is shewn, which is in Rabbath of the children of Ammon, being nine cubits long, and four broad after the measure of the cubit of a man's hand.

    For context, that's a bed roughly 13 feet long and 6 feet wide. For one man.
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    Re: "Race of giants" is in Holy Scripture
    « Reply #1 on: September 05, 2025, 04:02:07 PM »
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  • Numbers 13

    the people, that we beheld, are of a tall stature. [34] There we saw certain monsters of the sons of Enac, of the giant kind: in comparison of whom, we seemed like locusts.

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    Re: "Race of giants" is in Holy Scripture
    « Reply #2 on: September 05, 2025, 10:49:15 PM »
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  • Related to this topic! So easy to see in the mind's eye what the boy David was up against...I mean " look up...Waaay UP.   I never tire rereading that epic challenge.

    And king Saul was also tall (er) (than the rest of men?)

    Genesis 6:4  mentions giants...

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    Re: "Race of giants" is in Holy Scripture
    « Reply #3 on: September 06, 2025, 06:27:34 AM »
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  • I’ve read a book and seen on YT alleged giant skeletons up to 15 feet high, with double rows of teeth top and bottom and six fingers/six toes on each hand/foot, extra joints, extra hand and foot bones, extra ribs, extremely high foreheads have been dug up in the USA in the Indian Burial Mounds in the middle of the country. Some slightly smaller of about 8-11 feet tall have been found in the Carolinas, Georgia, Virginia, West Virginia, inside of caves. This was mostly in the 1920’s. Many of them were displayed around the country as entertainment. For a small fee, families could make a day of it. Pay your family nickel or 2c. apiece to see the Biblical Giant’s skeleton and have a family picnic in the park. But then they just sort of disappeared from sight, the media, and memory as the US slid into the Depression.
    It is said many of them were donated to universities for study, but no university claims to have ever received such an item or studied one. Many of the skeletons are said to be locked in storage in the basement of the Museum of Natural History in NYC. Others say that’s an urban myth like the alligators living and breeding in NYC sewers. The infamous Scopes Trial about evolution may have played a factor in their sudden disappearance from display and flushing down the memory hole.
    It’s interesting, for sure, but what difference does it really make?  Some say they are the Nephilim or the cursed offspring of the Nephilim, the last of whom were wiped out in the Flood of Noah. Maybe the entire thing was a scam, like Piltdown Man. It would be fairly easy to fake such a thing even today. Make a giant skeleton out of plaster or in a 3-D copier. Set it up in a lab. Get some “archeologists” to study it, “carbon date” it, put it online and watch it go viral! But only a select few whom we must believe have ever actually seen it or examined it. It has to be kept in a special freezer at a specific temperature, humidity, and air pressure lest it decay into a puddle of mush. Lots of people would believe it. After all, we moderns “trust the science,” do we not? 
    Or maybe not!
    Spending too much time on such matters can derail one’s spiritual life, family life, physical health, mental health, financial health…
    Whether it’s true or not, “getting it right,” does not get us into Heaven or if we get it wrong, keep us out! Same with the moon landing, shape of the earth, geocentrism, heliocentrism, germs or no germs, nukes or no nukes, knowing who or what exactly happened on 9-11, do not determine our soul’s destiny.
    By God’s grace in Heaven, the very smartest of us will find out we knew nothing on earth. We’ll probably find out Adam and Eve even after they fell, were smarter than today’s most advanced tech whizzes, nuclear physicists, polyglots, people with photographic memories, the nine year old boy who aced the State of Florida bar exam on the first try, having graduated high school on his sixth birthday. I’ve no idea what became of him or if he’s still living. If he died, I hope he saved his soul, but if he did, it wasn’t because he became a lawyer at age nine! 
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    Re: "Race of giants" is in Holy Scripture
    « Reply #4 on: September 06, 2025, 01:02:11 PM »
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  • Great post Seraphina! You ask what difference does it really make? Holy Scripture warns us of a time during which peoples' heart will stop due to fear. That could be giants or something else, but we need to be aware of the possibilty. Forewarned is forearmed.
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    Re: "Race of giants" is in Holy Scripture
    « Reply #5 on: September 06, 2025, 01:03:37 PM »
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  • Related to this topic! So easy to see in the mind's eye what the boy David was up against...I mean " look up...Waaay UP.   I never tire rereading that epic challenge.

    And king Saul was also tall (er) (than the rest of men?)

    Genesis 6:4  mentions giants...

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    Re: "Race of giants" is in Holy Scripture
    « Reply #6 on: September 06, 2025, 07:14:54 PM »
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  • So, what's interesting is that some giant genes remained after the Flood, and part of the intent of the Deluge was to eliminate those Giant genes.  There are two theories about how that happened.

    1) that the wives of Noahs' sons had some of the genes with them.
    2) that the Nephilim re-offended and introduced some more genes among the human race.

    Oddly, a lot of people call the giants themselves the Nephlim, whereas the giants were actually the offspring of the Nephilim and human women.

    Undoubtedly, of course, Father Paul Robinson would deny the existence of giants. ... as these were probably just invented stories.

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    Re: "Race of giants" is in Holy Scripture
    « Reply #7 on: September 06, 2025, 07:30:44 PM »
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    Re: "Race of giants" is in Holy Scripture
    « Reply #8 on: September 06, 2025, 08:34:33 PM »
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  • …Undoubtedly, of course, Father Paul Robinson would deny the existence of giants. ... as these were probably just invented stories.

    That would be, Fr. Paul "Upside Down" Robinson," right?

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    Re: "Race of giants" is in Holy Scripture
    « Reply #9 on: September 06, 2025, 09:28:15 PM »
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  • They'd make quite the NBA team :clown:

    Seriously, though, one thing that occurs to me, as I look at this, is that the cranial capacity of these giants would have been far greater than that of modern man.  Did they have larger brains, and consequently some of the preconditions for greater intelligence?

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    Re: "Race of giants" is in Holy Scripture
    « Reply #10 on: September 07, 2025, 04:10:32 PM »
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  • one thing that occurs to me, as I look at this, is that the cranial capacity of these giants would have been far greater than that of modern man.  Did they have larger brains, and consequently some of the preconditions for greater intelligence?
    If these giants built the Egyptian pyramids, perhaps so.
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    Re: "Race of giants" is in Holy Scripture
    « Reply #11 on: September 07, 2025, 04:14:21 PM »
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  • If these giants built the Egyptian pyramids, perhaps so.
    Probably. But what I don't understand is how we had giants after the flood.

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    Re: "Race of giants" is in Holy Scripture
    « Reply #12 on: September 07, 2025, 04:26:02 PM »
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  • Probably. But what I don't understand is how we had giants after the flood.

    I actually briefly glossed over that.  There are two theories.

    1) the Nephilim re-offended after the Flood
    2) one or another of Noah's sons' wives had at least some Nephlim genetic material in her line

    LOL ... this one causes me to chuckle due to the imagery, but one theory is that King Og survived the Flood by clinging to the ark.  Of course, that one is outlandish, appears to contradict Sacred Scripture, and ... not sure how he was able to survive a year without food.  Perhaps he'd occasionally reach in through one of the windows and snatch an animal.

    There appeared to be far fewer of these giants after the Flood ... and to me that suggests that there may have been some Nephilim genetic remnants in Noah's sons' wives.  Epistle of St. Jude (verse 6) states that the Nephilim where chained up in the abyss, but it could be that some other ones that had not offended initially then later offended after the Flood, unable to resist the tempation despite having witnessed the punishment of his colleagues.

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    Re: "Race of giants" is in Holy Scripture
    « Reply #13 on: September 07, 2025, 04:58:54 PM »
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  • Pre-flood, the giants were abominable creations which involved witchcraft and the occult.  

    If you look at the POST-flood history, giants only appear in the satanic, anti-God cultures such as the caananites, philistines, etc.  There’s never been giants in the Israelite community.  They re-arose due to the occult and satanism.  

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    Re: "Race of giants" is in Holy Scripture
    « Reply #14 on: September 07, 2025, 05:21:23 PM »
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  • On some of the other giants threads, I've posited the theory that there was a type of angel that could also assume material bodies.

    We see everything in God's creation is hierarchical, where man is thought to be the link between angels and animals, having immaterial souls like angels but also physical bodies similar to those of animals.

    We also see how there's hierarchy among the angels, where the top choirs of angels simply behold the Face of God and are around His Throne, and these never interract with human beings, etc.

    So, what if there was another tier of angels, a missing link between angels and human beings, where they were immaterial like angels but could assume human bodies, and not merely animate bodies, but actually take them on.  Such angels would in fact, unlike the angels above them, have an actual "sensible part of the soul", as it's known, so that this part would allow them to interface with bodies, as it were, and actually feel things though the senses, etc.

    We see in the Old Testament how angels visited Abraham taking on the form of men, to the point that Abraham didn't recognize that they were not men, and these angels ate with Abraham.  So these appeared to be real bodies.  Where they just animated bodies that they controlled like puppets, or did they actually have sensible parts of their souls so they could actually interface with them?  I theorize that it's the latter.

    Now, unlike men, whose essence requires both a body and soul, the essences of these angles do not, but the body can be assumed accidentally to their essential angelic nature, or not ... whichever they preferred.

    We read in the Book of Enoch that this was in fact their job, to interact with a govern the material world.

    So that is how they were able to mate with human women.  Now, given that they could assume bodies, perhaps they deliberately engineered bodies for themselves that had what they considered superior genetics, making their offspring gigatntic, so that they could dominate and rule over men, become their kings, etc. ... and this way their descendants would rule the world and also mankind.

    I don't quite buy the theory that the "sons of God" (Nephilim) were the sons of Seth.  In the Book of Job, for instance, we see the expression "sons of God" refer very clearly to angels, not to some offspring of Seth.