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"marriage prep" pre vatican II
« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2011, 02:10:35 PM »
Quote from: s2srea
Quote from: curiouscatholic23
Matthew- What do you think about the World War 2 catholic GI's who fell in love with european women and married them within a couple weeks of meeting them, and them brought them back to the US? This actually happened quite a bit.


They may have done something serious (as in fornication) and been forced to due to the norms of that time as well. I don't think it was as innocent or Catholic as you might think in all cases.

(the bold was for you Misses Leah  :wink:)


Thanks. :) Always good to qualify things, instead of lumping everyone into one category based on their gender.

"marriage prep" pre vatican II
« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2011, 02:11:30 PM »
Maybe the trad community should try arranged marriages.
I am not being facetious. I don't think they are sinful in and of themselves. Romantic love is part of modernism anyway.


"marriage prep" pre vatican II
« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2011, 02:13:26 PM »
Quote from: curiouscatholic23
Matthew- What do you think about the World War 2 catholic GI's who fell in love with european women and married them within a couple weeks of meeting them, and them brought them back to the US? This actually happened quite a bit.


I've read that the breakdown of sɛҳuąƖ morality (the acceptance of premarital sex) had two major phases before the late 60s.

This phenomenon was observed by looking at rate of illegitimate births.

One was between 1943-1946.  The German magazine Signal had articles about American "Victory Girls" - young women encouraged to fornicate with GIs on furlough.  The next period started in 1955 - around the advent of Rock and Roll music.  It's pretty obvious that 50s youth culture - where young men take young women out on drives - where suburban house parties for teenagers are considered normal - is bound to end badly.

My old WWII Vet neighbor had an adopted son who had a house party when he was away.  And he had to break up the house party of his grandson.  

He grew up in the 30s.  But he said when he was a boy such a thing would be totally unheard of.  It shocked him - and he was a man who had a lot of experience of the world - seeing japs fried with napalm and the barracks where the "comfort girls" were kept.  Interestingly he mentioned that when he saw two lesbians in a New York bar in the early 40s he told me he did not know that such a thing existed.

Times have changed drastically.  And trads are deeply affected.

"marriage prep" pre vatican II
« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2011, 02:14:05 PM »
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Quote from: Matthew
The six month wait is a test for men. It builds strength that will prove your true love for your spouse-to-be, and carry your marriage for years.



Matthew, with all due respect, that's preposterous.

Young men and young women have their whole lives to learn self restraint.  Their whole lives before their engagement.

You cannot tell me that intimacy and closeness (an occasion of sin) with someone that will be one's spouse (that is owing the marriage debt) for a length of time is some sort of advantageous "training" or "test."  It's simply entering into an occasion of sin unnecessarily to conform to modern prejudices, and it's morally unacceptable.  

Morally unacceptable to believe a minimum six month engagement is necessary or somehow salutary.  


Have to agree with this, again, Tele.

"marriage prep" pre vatican II
« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2011, 02:14:51 PM »
Quote from: Darcy
Maybe the trad community should try arranged marriages.
I am not being facetious. I don't think they are sinful in and of themselves. Romantic love is part of modernism anyway.


No it isn't.  That's a modern myth - they want people to believe that marriage in the past was strictly a utilitarian thing.  It's one of their excuses for their war on marriage.