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Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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"Marriage" vs. Sacramental Matrimony
« on: June 28, 2015, 03:16:59 PM »
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        The word marriage  and matrimony are derived from the Latin word, mater, meaning, "mother."  Obviously, a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ union cannot produce a "mother."  The very term "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ marriage" is an oxymoron.  But be that as it may, this is the stupidity that the highest "legal-minds" (another "oxymoron") in the U.S. have embraced as a 'legal right'.  We can at least be thankful the supreme court has denied any standing to Natural Law so that the Author of Natural Law cannot be blamed for this outrage.  The U.S. government must take full and complete responsibility for the consequences of their stupidity, which unfortunately now requires the Catholic Church to make a distinction that during any other period in history would appear ridiculous.

        The Catholic Church must now make a moral and canonical distinction between the definition of "marriage" and the definition of "Sacramental Matrimony."  "Sacramental Matrimony" is the holy conjugal union of a baptized man and a baptized woman who are free from impediments, which binds them for life to a life lived in common and together for the purpose of begetting and educating children in the Catholic faith.  The union can only be terminated by the death of at least one party to the union.

        "Marriage" is now legally the union between one or more things for the purpose of sɛҳuąƖ pleasure until one or another of these things no longer derives sɛҳuąƖ pleasure from the union which thereby can be dissolved provided all legal and judicial fees are paid in full.  What these "things" are as to their nature and/or number remains an entirely open question for future judicial determination, recognizing fully, a priori, that any "discrimination" as to the nature and/or number of these things would be, prima facie, a violation of the 14th amendment.

        The Catholic Church can have nothing to do with "marriage," but can and does have everything to do with "Sacramental Matrimony." Furthermore, the Catholic Church should no longer require or accept a "marriage license" issued by any state for the purpose of providing a location, witnesses, and blessings for the man and woman contracting Sacramental Matrimony. The separation of Church and state should now be understood to mean that the state has no substantial or vital interest in Sacramental Matrimony and therefore no jurisdiction over the union, or the children produced by such union, including their number and their education.
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    "Marriage" vs. Sacramental Matrimony
    « Reply #1 on: June 28, 2015, 03:36:39 PM »
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  • Good for them!  Where did this come from, if you don't mind me asking....?


    Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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    « Reply #2 on: June 28, 2015, 03:54:21 PM »
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  • From our independent chapel bulletin. I don't know how to link the exact text. As you go down, the comment is all in red.

    http://www.saintspeterandpaulrcm.com/Bulletin-Announcements/weekly_bulletin.htm
    The love of God be your motivation, the will of God your guiding principle, the glory of God your goal.
    (St. Clement Mary Hofbauer)

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    « Reply #3 on: June 28, 2015, 04:14:14 PM »
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  • Thank you.  I didn't think it was a "mainstream" Catholic Church or the SSPX.  I'm afraid neither will be so courageous.  Not to mention most likely their people would not be on board with it.  Many have gotten use to the "tax incentives/Social Security benefits" received from the government, such that they are.  

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    « Reply #4 on: June 28, 2015, 05:05:05 PM »
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  • Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora
    From our independent chapel bulletin. I don't know how to link the exact text. As you go down, the comment is all in red.

    http://www.saintspeterandpaulrcm.com/Bulletin-Announcements/weekly_bulletin.htm


    Boy! That's some bulletin!

    Today is the feast of Sts Peter and Paul's Martyrdom, by the way!
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


    Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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    « Reply #5 on: June 28, 2015, 05:35:39 PM »
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  • The (yes, long) weekly bulletin ends with the prayer intentions. The rest is carried on from previous weeks. We celebrated the Feast today.
    The love of God be your motivation, the will of God your guiding principle, the glory of God your goal.
    (St. Clement Mary Hofbauer)

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    « Reply #6 on: June 28, 2015, 07:51:48 PM »
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  • It simply cannot change, regardless of human law. There is only one marriage before God.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

    Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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    « Reply #7 on: June 28, 2015, 08:59:23 PM »
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  • Quote from: Cantarella
    It simply cannot change, regardless of human law. There is only one marriage before God.


    Yes, “there is only one marriage before God” but the problem is how to address the question of marriage in a society that has a legal definition of marriage that is in violation of Catholic truth.  The state claims jurisdiction over marriage through the marriage license.  The Catholic Church respects the fact that the state has a vital interest in marriage and follows the state requirements to insist that Catholics must have a state marriage license before they will marry them in a Catholic ceremony.  The bulletin post advises Church officials that they should take pre-emptive action by getting out of the state “marriage” racket by making a moral and canonical distinction between the ‘state marriage’ and sacramental matrimony, and then drop any requirement for Catholics to obtain a marriage license before being married in a Catholic Church.  The Church then can simply tell the state that they are only the witnesses to sacramental matrimony, and it is entirely up to any individual couple whether or not they want to invite the participation of the state into their marriage by obtaining a marriage license.  
    The love of God be your motivation, the will of God your guiding principle, the glory of God your goal.
    (St. Clement Mary Hofbauer)


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    « Reply #8 on: June 29, 2015, 06:49:52 AM »
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  • Here's my comment from another site concerning "gαy marriage":

    "LOL!!!!! There's no such thing. It's anatomically and metaphysically impossible. Not to mention that it simply does not exist.

     Only insane, post-modern man whose mind has been so thoroughly distorted and reason so mangled by the luciferian philosophy and disease of liberalism/modernism could delude himself to accept such lunacy.

    Truly, when minds are this sick we are near the end."

    The first mistake is to refer to this abomination as marriage since that's not what they are because it's a literal impossibility. Refer to them as government sanctioned civil unions since that's what they are.

    Every dictionary and human society for the history of man has known that marriage is between a man and woman for the procreation of children. It's physically impossible for two members of the opposite sex to get married. A literal impossibility!!! For the very reason the first post says concerning what the word matrimony means.

    Minds have to be truly insane to be able to accept such lunicidal concepts as "gαy marriage".

    The state of society today is the direct result of the secularization and apostasy of society from God. Read the pre-Vatican II Popes. They warned of all this in their fight against masonry, liberalism and modernism.

    The fight ended with the election of John XXIII and Vatican II. Make no mistake Vatican II is completely evil and is probably mentioned in the hidden Third Secret of Fatima that consists of the words Our Lady spoke.

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    « Reply #9 on: June 29, 2015, 07:17:20 AM »
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  • Quote from: KofCTrad
    Here's my comment from another site concerning "gαy marriage":

    "LOL!!!!! There's no such thing. It's anatomically and metaphysically impossible. Not to mention that it simply does not exist.

     Only insane, post-modern man whose mind has been so thoroughly distorted and reason so mangled by the luciferian philosophy and disease of liberalism/modernism could delude himself to accept such lunacy.

    Truly, when minds are this sick we are near the end."

    The first mistake is to refer to this abomination as marriage since that's not what they are because it's a literal impossibility. Refer to them as government sanctioned civil unions since that's what they are.

    Every dictionary and human society for the history of man has known that marriage is between a man and woman for the procreation of children. It's physically impossible for two members of the same sex to get married. A literal impossibility!!! For the very reason the first post says concerning what the word matrimony means.

    Minds have to be truly insane to be able to accept such lunicidal concepts as "gαy marriage".

    The state of society today is the direct result of the secularization and apostasy of society from God. Read the pre-Vatican II Popes. They warned of all this in their fight against masonry, liberalism and modernism.

    The fight ended with the election of John XXIII and Vatican II. Make no mistake Vatican II is completely evil and is probably mentioned in the hidden Third Secret of Fatima that consists of the words Our Lady spoke.


    whoops, meant to say same! :sign-surrender:

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    « Reply #10 on: June 29, 2015, 08:13:22 AM »
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  • Personally, I would see no harm, and actually something to gain, if the United States went the way of continental Europe, and the connection between civil "marriage" and Holy Matrimony was divorced (pun intended).

    In almost all the countries on continental Europe, a religious wedding is insufficient for the marriage to be recognized by the state, and a civil wedding (performed by a judge or similar person) is insufficient for the marriage to be recognized by the Church.  So, most couples have a small civil ceremony a day or two before the larger, and more important, Church wedding.  In this system, the different between the two is clear:  one you are doing for state recognition and to get worldly benefits, the other you are doing for Church recognition, and to get heavenly benefits.