Author Topic: Dork adults wear helmets while on scooter  (Read 1493 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline forlorn

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 2085
  • Reputation: +799/-1027
  • Gender: Male
Re: Dork adults wear helmets while on scooter
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2018, 10:55:19 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Ah, but the trouble is if you're going down a slope you can pick up quite a large pace on those, I don't use scooters so I'm not sure exactly how they're designed but breaking on them is probably still risky business. And with your hands being on the handlebars, there's a good chance if you suddenly get thrown off that you won't be able to put them in front of your head before it smacks off the ground. 


    I think the helmets are fine, it's adults riding scooters designed for kids that's wussy.

    Offline Neil Obstat

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 18173
    • Reputation: +8259/-638
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Dork adults wear helmets while on scooter
    « Reply #16 on: September 07, 2018, 01:11:12 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0

  • Indeed, how hard to you think you have to hit your head on concrete before sustaining a serious injury?  Now imagine if your head hit the pavement without the helmet on.
    .
    .
    I was surprised to find out what constitutes a head injury.
    Also how much blood there is: after just a small gash on the scalp, there's blood all OVER the place.
    .
    EMTs have to abide by lots of rules, and there are more than the usual number of rules for head injuries than for other categories.
    Broken limb bones, open laceration wounds, vomiting, abrasions, bullet wounds, all those things have procedures attached.
    But when it comes to head injury, suddenly you get another level of complications.
    .
    So what is a "head injury?"
    It's not only any visible blood on the head, wound, or visible bruise or abrasion on the head (from the neck up).
    It's also any set of symptoms that indicate that MAYBE there has been a head injury, even if no visible clues on the head.
    .
    Whenever an EMT has suspected head injury there is a series of checks he has to perform.
    Stuff like check temperature, eye pupil dilation including right vs. left, consciousness/responsiveness to sound (if possible, low noise environment), ability to answer questions or follow by eye motion a moving object, throat obstruction, breathing pattern, ability to sit up, and so on.
    .
    A sharp blow to the head can result in otherwise not immediately obvious but very consequential conditions such as brain swelling, or internal bleeding, or fluid buildup, sudden unconsciousness, loss of speech, vision, hearing, broken neck, etc.
    .
    The Hollywood version of someone getting knocked out, and then after a minute or two regaining consciousness and everything's fine, is pretty much urban legend. It's only RARELY that simple.
    .
    Doctors and nurses have to keep watch on a head injury patient sometimes for DAYS to be sure everything is okay.
    And once it's been established that a complete recovery has happened, they still ask even weeks or months later if there have been any recurring symptoms.
    .
    So while it might be thought of as "tough" or "manly" to ignore safety precautions to protect one's head, you ought to become informed about the sometimes fatal consequences but more often life-changing effects of head injury.
    .
    You might look "cool" or carefree zipping around without a helmet on, and you might get away with it your whole life.
    .
    Or, you might end up in a coma the rest of your life the first time you slip and fall off a bicycle -- and everything in between.
    .
    The wise course of action demands that one would at least become cognizant of the dangers involved.
    .--. .-.-.- ... .-.-.- ..-. --- .-. - .... . -.- .. -. --. -.. --- -- --..-- - .... . .--. --- .-- . .-. .- -. -.. -....- -....- .--- ..- ... - -.- .. -.. -.. .. -. --. .-.-.


    Offline JezusDeKoning

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2940
    • Reputation: +1084/-2217
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Dork adults wear helmets while on scooter
    « Reply #17 on: September 07, 2018, 01:33:22 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • Yeah, this is bad advice, Matthew. There are people who died from hitting their head on pavement after one punch. Head injuries are no joke.
    Remember O most gracious Virgin Mary...

    Offline Neil Obstat

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 18173
    • Reputation: +8259/-638
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Dork adults wear helmets while on scooter
    « Reply #18 on: September 07, 2018, 01:40:09 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0

  • Ah, but the trouble is if you're going down a slope you can pick up quite a large pace on those, I don't use scooters so I'm not sure exactly how they're designed but breaking [braking] on them is probably still risky business. And with your hands being on the handlebars, there's a good chance if you suddenly get thrown off that you won't be able to put them in front of your head before it smacks off the ground.


    I think the helmets are fine, it's adults riding scooters designed for kids that's wussy.
    .
    .
    The braking function for a scooter is limited to lifting the handlebar upwards and the front wheel off the ground so as to engage the drag bar behind the rear wheel, which scrapes the ground, and the friction is supposed to slow you down; but it's not all that effective, and using it requires practice since it's a bit destabilizing and you could end up falling over if you don't keep your balance well.
    .
    It's true that falling off a scooter and letting go of the handlebars in time to use your arms to protect your head is something that won't be happening automatically, since nobody is going to bother practicing it in advance.
    .
    I didn't use a scooter when I was a child, as they became popular for children in later years.
    I now know adults who like to use them because they have fond memories of using them as a child.
    When you've kept up your skills over the years doing something you enjoy, why give it up if it's fun?
    It's rather a shame when people are overly concerned with what someone else might think about how they look to others.
    Obsession with the image you project can become way too important.
    I know an avowed Communist who wouldn't DREAM of doing anything that might make him look "wussy."
    But knowing all the heresies he proudly and tenaciously adheres to, I have no question that he's headed straight to hell.
    And there is absolutely nothing I can do about it, beyond pray for his conversion.
    Is what other people thought of them what mattered most to the saints?
    When you face your final judgment is Our Lord going to ask you why you were not sufficiently preoccupied with your public image?
    Is your popularity or public approval in any way related to your holiness or your state of grace?
    .
    It seems to me that we ought to be concerned first with what GOD thinks, not what man thinks of us.
    In fact, obsession with what man thinks of you is what we call "worldliness." 
    In previous centuries, before Catholics forgot what it means to be Catholic, it was a very commonly understood great compliment to have someone say about you, that you were in the world but not of the world.
    .--. .-.-.- ... .-.-.- ..-. --- .-. - .... . -.- .. -. --. -.. --- -- --..-- - .... . .--. --- .-- . .-. .- -. -.. -....- -....- .--- ..- ... - -.- .. -.. -.. .. -. --. .-.-.

    Offline Neil Obstat

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 18173
    • Reputation: +8259/-638
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Dork adults wear helmets while on scooter
    « Reply #19 on: September 07, 2018, 02:22:11 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • .
    For all you know, this couple might be out having fun by giving onlookers something to complain about.
    Maybe they're doing this at least in part for the shock value.
    Maybe they get a kick out of receiving strange looks or rude comments.

    .
    Upon closer look, it appears these scooters have a cable going down the front bar
    and a brake lever on the left grip, with what appears to be a brake mechanism
    inside the rim of the front wheel. I don't see any drag bar in back.
    The low foot platform is positioned to give maximum stability plus some ground clearance.
    .
    Wait a minute.
    There is a lot more to this than meets the eye.......
    IOW -- the enthusiasm this couple shows on their faces is not fake.
    They're enjoying what they're doing because they believe it's the new fad!
    And they think they are TREND SETTERS by using this technology!
    (They're in a hurry because the scooters are costing them 15c a minute to ride!)
    .
    I did a quick search and identified the precise type of scooter this couple is using.
    Guess where I found them?
    Lyft.
    What would an upstart imposter quasi-taxi service group be doing promoting the use of SCOOTERS?
    Check it out........
    .
    .
    Wait. Lyft offers scooters now?
    Yup. Two blocks or two miles, Lyft Scooters go up to 15 MPH and are the latest, affordable way to get you where you’re going — and maybe have some fun while you’re at it.
    .

    .
    Leave traffic in the dust
    FIND
    When in a service area, the scooter icon will appear in your Lyft app. Tap the scooter icon to see any available scooters nearby. Use your Lyft app to scan the QR code or to reserve a scooter ahead of time.
    .
    UNLOCK
    Reserve a scooter ahead of time or use your Lyft app to scan the QR code on a nearby scooter to get going. Scooters are just $1 to Unlock and 15 cents per minute to ride.
    .
    PAUSE AND END
    Need to take a quick break? Just tap Lock to hold your scooter until you're ready again. Done with your trip? Just tap End ride.
    .
    Lyft Community Pass
    Lyft is working closely with cities across North America to ensure Lyft Scooters are available to anybody who needs a low-cost mode of transportation. The Lyft Community Pass offers residents of scooter service areas an easy, affordable way to get around.
    .

    Where to find us
    We’re launching in a few select areas of North America.
    .
    Denver
    Whether you’re going a mile-high or a mile-wide, these scooters will take you there.
    SELECT YOUR CITY



    .
    .
    Please wear a helmet
    There’s no better way to make sure you arrive safely — please, please, please wear a helmet.
    LEARN MORE

    Pack your helmet
    We’re working hard to support Denver’s efforts to build protected scooter lanes, but it’s never a bad idea to wear a helmet. (And don’t worry — helmet hair is cool now.)
    .--. .-.-.- ... .-.-.- ..-. --- .-. - .... . -.- .. -. --. -.. --- -- --..-- - .... . .--. --- .-- . .-. .- -. -.. -....- -....- .--- ..- ... - -.- .. -.. -.. .. -. --. .-.-.


    Offline Neil Obstat

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 18173
    • Reputation: +8259/-638
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Dork adults wear helmets while on scooter
    « Reply #20 on: September 07, 2018, 02:47:37 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • .
    The lyft helmet thingy..................
    .
    I hardly think they'd go to the trouble, unless they were renting helmets, too.
    Naah. Head lice. Think liability. But they could be selling helmets.


    .
    Buried in the list of questions is a curious factoid:  Lyft scooters are battery powered, with a motor drive, right grip throttle (like motorcycles), and can accelerate to get you going places faster than leg power can. The couple kicking the ground in the OP were getting their scooters STARTED -- once the battery and motor engage this way, you can stand still on the platform, twist the right handle, and the scooter does all the pushing for you. So what I had thought was a BRAKE in the front wheel rim is actually a MOTOR, so they most likely use a REVERSE GENERATOR BRAKING FUNCTION that stores the kinetic energy of your motion forward back into the battery when you apply the brakes, rather than wasting the energy as heat from friction of brake pads slowing you down. But they don't bother to explain that on the website, apparently.
    .

    So you have questions about scooters?

    How do Lyft Scooters work?

    How much does it cost to ride a scooter?

    Are Lyft Scooters available near me?

    Where can I ride the scooters?

    When can I ride the scooter?

    What are the requirements to ride a scooter?

    How do I unlock a scooter?

    How do I reserve a Lyft Scooter before starting a ride?

    How does the scooter work?
    Kick-start the ground twice and press the throttle on the right-hand side of the handlebar to accelerate. To stop, squeeze the brake on the left-hand side of the handlebar. Battery level is displayed on both the handlebar of the scooter, as well as in your Lyft app.

    How do I pause a ride?

    How do I end a ride?

    Where can I park the scooter?

    Can I rent a scooter for my friend, too?

    Can I ride Lyft Scooters up hills?

    How do I report a broken scooter?

    Do you offer any discounted plans or flat-rate rides?

    Can I request a scooter ride from my computer?

    What are the safety requirements for Lyft Scooter rides?

    What are your Terms of Service for scooters?
    .--. .-.-.- ... .-.-.- ..-. --- .-. - .... . -.- .. -. --. -.. --- -- --..-- - .... . .--. --- .-- . .-. .- -. -.. -....- -....- .--- ..- ... - -.- .. -.. -.. .. -. --. .-.-.

    Offline Maria Regina

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 3682
    • Reputation: +982/-547
    • Gender: Female
    Re: Dork adults wear helmets while on scooter
    « Reply #21 on: September 07, 2018, 03:00:53 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • .
    I was surprised to find out what constitutes a head injury.
    Also how much blood there is: after just a small gash on the scalp, there's blood all OVER the place.
    .
    EMTs have to abide by lots of rules, and there are more than the usual number of rules for head injuries than for other categories.
    Broken limb bones, open laceration wounds, vomiting, abrasions, bullet wounds, all those things have procedures attached.
    But when it comes to head injury, suddenly you get another level of complications.
    .
    So what is a "head injury?"
    It's not only any visible blood on the head, wound, or visible bruise or abrasion on the head (from the neck up).
    It's also any set of symptoms that indicate that MAYBE there has been a head injury, even if no visible clues on the head.
    .
    Whenever an EMT has suspected head injury there is a series of checks he has to perform.
    Stuff like check temperature, eye pupil dilation including right vs. left, consciousness/responsiveness to sound (if possible, low noise environment), ability to answer questions or follow by eye motion a moving object, throat obstruction, breathing pattern, ability to sit up, and so on.
    .
    A sharp blow to the head can result in otherwise not immediately obvious but very consequential conditions such as brain swelling, or internal bleeding, or fluid buildup, sudden unconsciousness, loss of speech, vision, hearing, broken neck, etc.
    .
    The Hollywood version of someone getting knocked out, and then after a minute or two regaining consciousness and everything's fine, is pretty much urban legend. It's only RARELY that simple.
    .
    Doctors and nurses have to keep watch on a head injury patient sometimes for DAYS to be sure everything is okay.
    And once it's been established that a complete recovery has happened, they still ask even weeks or months later if there have been any recurring symptoms.
    .
    So while it might be thought of as "tough" or "manly" to ignore safety precautions to protect one's head, you ought to become informed about the sometimes fatal consequences but more often life-changing effects of head injury.
    .
    You might look "cool" or carefree zipping around without a helmet on, and you might get away with it your whole life.
    .
    Or, you might end up in a coma the rest of your life the first time you slip and fall off a bicycle -- and everything in between.
    .
    The wise course of action demands that one would at least become cognizant of the dangers involved.
    Voice of reason.
    This is why I asked about dizzy senior citizens. A recent article I read said that about 50 percent of those over 60 suffer from vertigo and are at high risk of falling and hitting their heads (causing more dizziness) and breaking their hips.
    Lord have mercy.

    Offline Neil Obstat

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 18173
    • Reputation: +8259/-638
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Dork adults wear helmets while on scooter
    « Reply #22 on: September 07, 2018, 03:38:12 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • .
    Okay, now for the real fun.
    .
    You can be fined $25 for keeping your Lyft e-Vehicle Product (LeVP, a.k.a. scooter) longer than the maximum rental period: 12 hours.
    You have to be 18 to rent an LeVP in Colorado, and you can't let ANYONE ELSE use it, lest you be fined!!
    If you use, leave or deactivate your LeVP outside the Designated Area and Lyft has to go fetch it, it's a $100 fee.
    At their sole discretion, you can be charged $600 for engaging in any of several violations of policy.
    Violations include but are not limited to your performance of the required SAFETY CHECK done before each use of the LeVP.
    Another example of a violation could be your failure to use an approved helmet (your use of an unapproved helmet).
    You must obey all laws relating to the use, parking and operation of LeVPs.
    You are responsible to learn what a docking station is, and what an unrechargeable area is, among other things.
    Where you can operate them, how to get on or off them, what you can do when on or off them -- lots of RULES.
    This is looking more like an entirely new world of quasi-reality built up around LeVPs.
    .
    .
    Lyft Product Rental, Waiver of Liability and Release Addendum
    Last Updated: July 23, 2018
    This Lyft Product Rental, Waiver of Liability and Release Addendum (the “Addendum”) is an addendum to the Lyft Terms of Service (the “Agreement,” available at lyft.com/terms) governing your use of the Services (defined below). The Agreement is expressly incorporated herein by reference.
    PLEASE READ THIS ADDENDUM CAREFULLY. IT SETS FORTH THE LEGALLY BINDING TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR YOUR USE OF THE SERVICE.
    In consideration of your use of any of the Services (defined below), Lyft, Inc. (“Lyft”) requires that you agree to all terms and conditions in this Addendum, as applicable. The “Services” provided by Lyft are composed of several elements, including (1) Lyft Product parking locations (“Locations”), (2) Lyft Bike Share bicycles (“Bike”), electric bicycles (“e-Bike”), and electric scooters (“e-Scooter”) (electric vehicles collectively referred to as “E-vehicles,” Bikes and E-vehicles are collectively referred to as “Products”), and (3) all other related equipment, personnel, services and information provided or made available by Lyft.
    Lyft expressly agrees to let, and you expressly agree to take on, rental of the Products subject to the terms and conditions set out herein. Unless otherwise indicated, all monetary values set forth in this Addendum shall be deemed to be denominated in U.S. dollars.
    GENERAL RENTAL AND USE OF PRODUCTS.
    1.1 You Are the Sole Permitted User. You and Lyft are the only parties to this Addendum. You are the sole renter and are solely responsible for compliance with all terms and conditions contained herein. You understand that when you activate a Product, the Product must be used only by you. You must not allow others to use a Product that you have activated.
    1.2 You Must Be At Least 18 Years Old. You represent and certify that you are at least 18 years old.
    1.3 You Must Be a Competent Product Operator. You represent and certify that you are familiar with the operation of the Product, and are reasonably competent and physically fit to ride the Product. By choosing to ride a Product, you assume all responsibilities and risks for any injuries or medical conditions that may result from your use. You are responsible for determining whether conditions, including, without limitation, rain, fog, snow, hail, ice, heat or electrical storms, make it dangerous to operate a Product. We advise you to adjust your riding behavior and braking distance to suit the weather, visibility, surrounding environment, and traffic conditions.
    1.4 Product is the Exclusive Property of Lyft. You agree that the Product and any Lyft equipment attached thereto, at all times, remain the exclusive property of Lyft. You must not dismantle, write on, or otherwise modify, repair or deface a Product, any part of a Product, or other Lyft equipment in any way. You must not write on, peel, or otherwise modify or deface any sticker on a Product in any way. You must not use a Product, or other Lyft equipment for any advertising or similar commercial purpose.
    1.5 Product Operating Hours and Product Availability. You agree and acknowledge that the Products are not available 24 hours a day, 7 days/week, 365 days per year. Products must be rented within the maximum rental time limits set forth below. The number of Products are limited and Product availability is never guaranteed.
    1.6 Product May be Used and/or Operated only in Permitted Areas. You agree to only use, operate and/or ride the Product in permitted areas as defined by law and Lyft’s policies. Using, deactivating or leaving a Product outside of the Permitted Area may result in a pick up fee of up to $100.
    1.7 You Must Follow Laws Regarding Use and/or Operation of Product. You agree to follow all laws pertaining to the use, riding, parking, charging and/or operation of the Product, including all state and local laws and the rules and regulations pertaining to Products in the area where you are operating the Product, including any helmet laws.
    1.8 Prohibited Acts. YOU EXPRESSLY CERTIFY AND AGREE THAT YOU WILL NOT:
    • Operate any Product in violation of any laws, rules, regulations, and/or ordinances, including any and all rules pertaining to riding any Products on sidewalks and/or parking Products
    • Operate a Product while carrying any briefcase, backpack, bag, or other item if it impedes your ability to operate the Product safely.
    • Operate a Product while using any cellular telephone, text messaging device, portable music player, or other device that may distract you from safely operating the Product.
    • Operate a Product while under the influence of any alcohol, drugs, medication, or other substance that may impair your ability to operate a Product safely.
    • Carry a second person or child on a Product.
    • Use any locking mechanism on the Product other than those provided by Lyft.
    • Park any Product in a manner that does not strictly comply with all applicable laws, rules, regulations, and/or ordinances. You expressly agree that you are responsible for becoming familiar with any and all applicable laws, rules, regulations, and/or ordinances in the location that you are operating any Product.
    • Park or place any Product in a manner that prevents Lyft from locating and accessing it. If You violate this Section, Lyft may charge you up to $600, in our sole and absolute discretion.

    1.9 Product is Intended for Only Limited Types of Use. You agrees that you will not use the Product for racing, mountain, stunt or trick riding. You agree that you will not operate and/or use the Product on unpaved roads, through water (beyond normal urban riding), or in any location that is prohibited, illegal and/or a nuisance to others. You agree that you will not use the Product for hire or reward.
    1.10 Weight and Cargo Limits. You must not exceed the maximum weight limit for the Product as communicated to you by Lyft.
    1.11 No Tampering. You must not tamper with, attempt to gain unauthorized access using, or otherwise use the Lyft System or other Lyft equipment other than for purposes of using a Product pursuant to this Addendum.
    1.12 Reporting of Damage or Crashes. You must report any accident, crash, damage, personal injury, stolen or lost Product, to Lyft as soon as possible. If a crash involves personal injury, property damage, or a stolen Product, you shall file a report with the local police department within 24 hours. You agree that you are responsible and liable for any misuse, consequences, claims, demands, causes of action, losses, liabilities, damages, injuries, costs and expenses, penalties, attorney’s fees, judgments, suits or disbursements of any kind or nature whatsoever related to a stolen or lost Product.
    1.13 Your Responsibility for Product Use and Damage. You agree to return the Product to Lyft in the same condition in which it was rented. You will not be responsible for normal wear and tear.
    1.14 Electric Vehicles. You agree and acknowledge that e-Vehicles may not be available at all times. e-Vehicles require periodic charging of batteries in order to operate. You agree to use and operate e-Vehicles safely and prudently and comply with all restrictions and requirements associated with e-Vehicles, as set forth in any all applicable laws, rules, regulations, and/or ordinances. You understand and agree to the following:
    • The level of charge power remaining in the e-Vehicle will decrease with use of the e-Vehicle (over both time and distance), and that as the level of charge power of the e-Vehicle decreases, the speed and other operational capabilities of the e-Vehicle may decrease (or cease in its entirety).
    • The level of charging power in the e-Vehicle at the time you initiate the rental or operation of the e-Vehicle is not guaranteed and will vary with each rental use.
    • The rate of loss of charging power during the use of the e-Vehicle is not guaranteed and will vary based on the e-Vehicle, road conditions, weather conditions and other factors.
    • It is your responsibility to check the level of charge power in the e-Vehicle and to ensure that it is adequate before initiating operation of the e-Vehicle.
    • The distance and/or time that you may operate the e-Vehicle before it loses charging power is never guaranteed.
    • The e-Vehicle may run out of charging power and cease to operate at any time during your rental of the e-Vehicle, including before reaching your desired destination.

    PAYMENT AND FEES.
    2.1 Fees. You may use the Product on a pay per ride basis or as otherwise in accordance with the pricing described in the app. In each case, fees and other charges may be subject to applicable taxes and other local government charges, which may be charged and collected by Lyft. Lyft will charge your credit, debit card or other agreed payment methods the amount of the fees as described in this Addendum or as otherwise in accordance with the pricing described in the app.
    2.2 Promo Codes. Promo codes (discounts) are one-time offers and can only be redeemed via Lyft App. Lyft reserves the right to modify or cancel discounts at any time. Discounts are limited to one per customer and account and may not be combined with other offers. Discounts are non-transferable and may not be resold.
    2.3 Maximum Rental Time and Charges. Maximum rental time is 12 hours. You agree that you will deactivate the Product rental within 12 hours of time that rental of the Product began. You may then rent again. You agree that you are solely responsible for being aware of any elapsed time related to the timely locking the Product. After return of the Product, the rider will be charged the accumulated rental charge. Products not returned (locked and a ride concluded) within 12 hours will be considered lost or stolen, and you may be charged up to $600 and a police report may be filed. Lyft may also charge a service fee of $25 for rentals in excess of 12 hours where the Vehicle is not lost or stolen.
    2.4 Valid Credit Card or Debit Card. You must input a valid credit or debit card or other agreed payment method before you will be registered to use the Service. You represent and warrant to Lyft that you are authorized to use any payment method you furnish to Lyft. You authorize Lyft to charge the payment method for all fees incurred by you. All fees are subject to applicable sales taxes and other local government charges, which may be charged and collected by Lyft.
    2.6 Pick Up Fees. If you are unable to return a Product to a valid area (e.g., you deactivate or leave the Product on private property, a locked community, or another unreachable area), and request that the Product be picked up by Lyft staff, Lyft, at its sole discretion, may choose to charge you a pick-up fee up to $100. If any Product accessed under your account is abandoned without notice, you will be responsible for all trip fees until the Product is recovered and deactivated, plus a pick-up fee to recover the Product. Fees are subject to change.
    RELEASES; DISCLAIMERS; LIMITATION OF LIABILITY; ASSUMPTION OF RISK.
    3.1 Releases. “Claims” means, collectively, any and all claims, injuries, demands, liabilities, disputes, causes of action (including statutory, contract, negligence, or other tort theories), proceedings, obligations, debts, liens, fines, charges, penalties, contracts, promises, costs, expenses (including attorneys’ fees, whether incurred at trial, on appeal, or otherwise), damages (including consequential, compensatory, or punitive damages), or losses (whether known, unknown, asserted, unasserted, fixed, conditional, or contingent) that arise from or relate to (a) any of the Services, including any of the Products, equipment or related information, or (b) your use of any of the foregoing. “Released Persons” means, collectively Lyft and all of its owners, managers, affiliates, employees, contractors, officers, directors, shareholders, agents, representatives, successors, and assigns, and (ii) every sponsor of any of the Services and all of the sponsor’s owners, managers, affiliates, employees, contractors, officers, directors, shareholders, agents, representatives, successors, and assigns. In exchange for you being allowed to use any of the Services, Products, and other equipment or related information provided by Lyft, you (acting for you and for all of your family, heirs, agents, affiliates, representatives, successors, and assigns) (collectively, the “Releasing Parties” and each a “Releasing Party”) do hereby fully and forever release and discharge all Released Persons for all Claims that Rider ever had, now has, or may claim to have against any Released Person. Such releases are intended to be general and complete releases of all Claims. The Released Persons may plead such releases as a complete and sufficient defense to any Claim, as intended third party beneficiaries of such releases.
    Releasing Party hereby acknowledges that he/she has been advised by legal counsel, is familiar with and fully understands the provisions of California Civil Code Section 1542 which provides as follows: “A GENERAL RELEASE DOES NOT EXTEND TO CLAIMS WHICH THE CREDITOR DOES NOT KNOW OR SUSPECT TO EXIST IN HIS OR HER FAVOR AT THE TIME OF EXECUTING THE RELEASE, WHICH IF KNOWN BY HIM OR HER MUST HAVE MATERIALLY AFFECTED HIS OR HER SETTLEMENT WITH THE DEBTOR.” Having been so advised, Releasing Party nevertheless elects to and does assume all risks for Claims known or unknown, suspected or unsuspected, heretofore arising from the subject of this Section 3, and specifically waives any rights it may have under Section 1542, as well as under any other statute or common-law principle in any jurisdiction with a similar effect.
    3.2 Disclaimers. YOU DO HEREBY ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOUR USE OF ANY OF THE SERVICES, PRODUCTS, OR RELATED EQUIPMENT IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK. TO THE FULLEST EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, AND WITH RESPECT TO YOUR USE OF ANY OF THE SERVICES, PRODUCTS, OR RELATED EQUIPMENT, LYFT AND ALL OTHER RELEASED PERSONS DISCLAIM ALL EXPRESS AND IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. ALL OF THE SERVICES, PRODUCTS, AND RELATED EQUIPMENT ARE PROVIDED “AS IS” AND “AS AVAILABLE” (AND YOU RELY ON THEM SOLELY AT YOUR OWN RISK). LYFT AND ALL OTHER RELEASED PERSONS DO NOT REPRESENT OR WARRANT THAT ANY OF THE SERVICES, PRODUCTS, OR RELATED EQUIPMENT WILL BE IN GOOD REPAIR OR ERROR-FREE, AND DELAYS, OMISSIONS, INTERRUPTIONS, OR INACCURACIES COULD EXIST WITH RESPECT TO ANY OF THE SERVICES, PRODUCTS, OR RELATED EQUIPMENT.
    3.3 Limited Liability. YOU HEREBY ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT, EXCEPT AS MAY OTHERWISE BE LIMITED BY LAW, LYFT AND ALL OTHER RELEASED PERSONS ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE OR LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, INCLUDING THOSE THAT ARISE OUT OF OR RELATE TO (A) ANY RISK, DANGER, OR HAZARD DESCRIBED IN THIS ADDENDUM, (B) YOUR USE OF, OR INABILITY TO USE, ANY OF THE SERVICES, PRODUCTS, OR RELATED INFORMATION, (C) YOUR BREACH OF THIS ADDENDUM OR YOUR VIOLATION OF ANY LAW, (D) ANY NEGLIGENCE, MISCONDUCT, OR OTHER ACTION OR INACTION BY YOU, (E) YOUR FAILURE TO WEAR A VEHICLE HELMET WHILE USING A PRODUCT, OR (F) ANY NEGLIGENCE, MISCONDUCT, OR OTHER ACTION OR INACTION OF ANY THIRD PARTY. YOU HEREBY WAIVE ALL CLAIMS WITH RESPECT TO ANY OF THE FOREGOING, INCLUDING THOSE BASED IN CONTRACT, TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE), STATUTORY, OR OTHER GROUNDS, EVEN IF LYFT OR ANY OF THE OTHER RELEASED PERSONS HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH CLAIMS. THE TOTAL LIABILITY OF LYFT AND ALL OTHER RELEASED PERSONS FOR ALL CLAIMS, INCLUDING THOSE BASED IN CONTRACT, TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE), STATUTE, OR OTHER GROUNDS, IS LIMITED TO THE SUM OF $100. SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW FOR LIMITED LIABILITY OR EXCLUSION OF IMPLIED WARRANTIES; AND, IF ANY OF THOSE LAWS APPLY TO YOU, THEN SOME OR ALL OF THE ABOVE DISCLAIMERS, EXCLUSIONS, OR LIMITATIONS MIGHT NOT APPLY TO YOU, AND YOU MIGHT HAVE ADDITIONAL RIGHTS.
    3.4 Assumption of Risk by You. You are solely and fully responsible for the safe operation of the Product at all times. You agree that Products are machines that may malfunction, even if the Product is properly maintained, and that such malfunction may cause injury. You agree that riding a Product and the Services involve many obvious and not-so-obvious risks, dangers, and hazards, which may result in injury or death to you or others, as well as damage to property, and that such risks, dangers, and hazards cannot always be predicted or avoided. You agree that such risks, dangers, and hazards are your sole responsibility, including, but not limited to, choosing whether to wear a helmet as required by law or utilize other protective gear. You agree that if your use of any of the Products or Services causes any injury or damage to another person or property, then you may be liable for all resulting injuries, damages, and related costs. By choosing to operate a Product, you assumes full and complete responsibility for all related risks, dangers, and hazards, and you agree that Lyft and all other Released Persons are not responsible for any injury, damage, or cost caused by you with respect to any person or property, including the Product itself.
    3.5 Indemnification. You will indemnify and hold the Released Persons harmless from all losses, suits, claims or other proceedings arising out of or relating to your use of Products and any breach of the terms of this Addendum; provided, however, that Released Persons must notify you as soon as practicable after the date notice of such loss, suit, claim or other proceeding is served on Released Persons directly (as opposed to service on a statutory agent for service of process) or otherwise brought to the attention of Released Persons.
    Additional Terms of Use.
    4.1 Safety Check. Before each use of a Product, you shall conduct a basic safety inspection of the Product, which includes inspecting the following: (i) trueness of the wheels; (ii) safe operation of all brakes and lights; (iv) good condition of the frame; (v) sufficient battery charge power; and (vi) any sign of damage, unusual or excessive wear, or other mechanical problem or maintenance need. You agree not to operate the Product if there are any noticeable issues, and to immediately notify customer service to alert Lyft of any problems.
    4.2 Lost or Stolen Product. A Product may be deemed lost or stolen if (a) the Product is not returned within 12 consecutive hours, (b) the Product’s GPS unit is disabled, (c) the Product is parked on private property, in a locked area, or in any other non-public space for more than ten minutes after a ride ends, (d) the Product moves more than thirty feet after a rental has ended and Lyft believes such movement was not caused by another rider or authorized third party, or (e) other facts and circumstances exist that suggest to Lyft in its reasonable, good faith determination that a Product has been lost or stolen. You and Lyft agree that the last rider of a Product shall be responsible for a lost or stolen Product unless facts and circumstances suggest otherwise to Lyft in its reasonable, good faith determination. If Lyft deems a Product lost or stolen, Lyft shall have the authority to take any and all actions it deems appropriate (with respect to the last rider of a Product or otherwise), including (without limitation) obtaining restitution and other appropriate compensation and damages and filing a police report with local authorities. The data generated by the Lyft’s systems is conclusive evidence of the period of use of a Product by a rider, including you. You must report Product disappearance or theft to Lyft immediately or as soon as possible.
    4.3 Helmets; Safety. Lyft recommends that you wear a Snell, CPSC, ANSI or ASTM approved helmet that has been properly sized, fitted and fastened according to the manufacturer’s instructions. You agree that none of Lyft and its Released Parties are liable for any injury suffered by tiy while using the Service, whether or not you are wearing a helmet at the time of injury. You may need to take additional safety measures or precautions not specifically addressed in this Addendum.
    4.4 Vehicle Routes. You agree that Lyft does not provide or maintain places to ride Products, and that Lyft does not guarantee that there will always be a safe place to ride a Product. Roads, bicycle lanes, and other accessible areas may become dangerous due to weather, traffic, or other hazards.
    4.5 Limitations on Product Rental. You agree that Lyft is not a common carrier. Alternative means of public and private transportation are available to the general public and to you individually, including public buses and rail service, taxis, and pedestrian paths. Lyft provides Products only as a convenience, and such rental availability is intended to be used only by those persons who are able and qualified to operate a Product on their own and who have agreed to all terms and conditions of this Addendum.
    4.6 Limitations on Availability of Service. Lyft makes every effort to provide the Service 365 days per year, but does not guarantee that the Service will be available at all times, as force majeure events or other circumstances might prevent Lyft from providing the Service. Access to the Service is also conditioned on the availability of Products. Lyft does not represent or warrant the availability of any Service or the availability of any Product at any time. You agree that Lyft may require you to return a Product at any time.
    Lyft Product Rental Privacy Policy Addendum
    This Lyft Product Rental Addendum (“Privacy Addendum”) is an addendum to the Privacy Policy (www.lyft.com/privacy) between you and Lyft, and it sets forth additional terms and conditions that are applicable in the market in which you use Products on the Lyft Platform, including but not limited to use of our application, website, and other Products and Services. Capitalized terms not otherwise defined herein have the meaning set forth in the Privacy Policy and Addendum.
    1. Information We Collect
    A. Information You Provide to Us
    When you initiate an e-Vehicle ride, you may share with Lyft documentation of your age by, for example, uploading a photo of your driver’s license. You may also share photos of the Product and its location with us to help us understand the status of the scooter and whether it has been used in compliance with our Agreement and Addendum.
    If you communicate with us directly, we may receive additional information about you. For example, when you respond to any survey about the Lyft Platform or provide feedback about your experience, we will receive your name, email address, phone number, the contents of the communication and attachments you may send to us, and other information you choose to provide.
    B. Information We Collect When You Use the Services and Products
    Lyft Products may collect precise location at all times, and may transmit your location to Lyft during your use of the Product. We may also collect the precise location of your device when the app is running in the foreground or background, including for a period of five minutes after a ride in order to determine whether you have left the Product and ended your ride.
    Your location information is necessary for things like determining ride start and stop locations, calculating charges for rides, and ensuring Products are used in compliance with our Agreement and Addendum (e.g., within certain service areas).
    .--. .-.-.- ... .-.-.- ..-. --- .-. - .... . -.- .. -. --. -.. --- -- --..-- - .... . .--. --- .-- . .-. .- -. -.. -....- -....- .--- ..- ... - -.- .. -.. -.. .. -. --. .-.-.


    Offline Neil Obstat

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 18173
    • Reputation: +8259/-638
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Dork adults wear helmets while on scooter
    « Reply #23 on: September 07, 2018, 03:47:08 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • .
    BTW --- I did not select the large font now found in this post above. 
    When I posted it the largest font I specified was 3, but the bottom part of my post has font size 8 text.
    I have no idea where that came from. 
    Some platform glitch is increasing font sizes at odd times around here.
    .--. .-.-.- ... .-.-.- ..-. --- .-. - .... . -.- .. -. --. -.. --- -- --..-- - .... . .--. --- .-- . .-. .- -. -.. -....- -....- .--- ..- ... - -.- .. -.. -.. .. -. --. .-.-.

    Offline Neil Obstat

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 18173
    • Reputation: +8259/-638
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Dork adults wear helmets while on scooter
    « Reply #24 on: September 07, 2018, 04:07:16 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • These things are foot powered! They don't go that fast. Even if they fell over, they're not going to crack their skull open. People are such wusses these days!

    You're no higher off the ground than when you're walking on foot. Why not wear a helmet while walking as well -- "for safety" of course? You never know when you're going to fall, trip, or get pushed down.

    Heaven help us if we're ever invaded.

    They look like a couple of retarded dorks. I'm sure they're very nice people, but they look like complete retards.
    .
    1.  These things are NOT foot-powered, but battery-powered, motor-driven, with a top speed 15 mph, like a horse.  :cowboy:
    .
    2.  Falling off a powered scooter at 15 mph and hitting your head against a concrete wall could most definitely crack your skull open.
    .
    3.  You're exactly 4" higher off the ground riding this motorized scooter, than you are when walking on foot. 
           4" translates to about a 10% increase in the likelihood of incurring serious injury when falling down.
    .
    4.  If we're invaded, Lyft e-Vehicle Products will no doubt suddenly become unavailable for rent.
    .
    5.  The retarded dorks in the photo are enthusiastically and actively engaged in a whole new world of virtual reality. 
    .
    6.  Whether this new virtual reality is one exclusively for complete retards is a question yet to be resolved. 
         Certainly, Lyft isn't spending $million$ setting up a national and potentially international network, just for complete retards. 
    .--. .-.-.- ... .-.-.- ..-. --- .-. - .... . -.- .. -. --. -.. --- -- --..-- - .... . .--. --- .-- . .-. .- -. -.. -....- -....- .--- ..- ... - -.- .. -.. -.. .. -. --. .-.-.

    Offline Neil Obstat

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 18173
    • Reputation: +8259/-638
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Dork adults wear helmets while on scooter
    « Reply #25 on: September 07, 2018, 04:26:02 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Dork adult?   
    .
    Dork adult?  
    .
    Dork adult?  
    .
    Santa Monica selects Bird, Lime, Lyft and Jump for pilot program:
     

    .--. .-.-.- ... .-.-.- ..-. --- .-. - .... . -.- .. -. --. -.. --- -- --..-- - .... . .--. --- .-- . .-. .- -. -.. -....- -....- .--- ..- ... - -.- .. -.. -.. .. -. --. .-.-.


    Offline Neil Obstat

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 18173
    • Reputation: +8259/-638
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Dork adults wear helmets while on scooter
    « Reply #26 on: September 07, 2018, 04:32:10 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • .
    Same couple as in OP 
    Looks like Lyft is trying to foster a positive image for wearing helmets
    The only online images I can find of scooter users wearing helmets are these Lyft images.

    .
    The man is wearing a backpack, which is not prominent in the OP photo.
    These are both photos attached to Lyft e-Vehicle Products being used in their Denver pilot program.
    .--. .-.-.- ... .-.-.- ..-. --- .-. - .... . -.- .. -. --. -.. --- -- --..-- - .... . .--. --- .-- . .-. .- -. -.. -....- -....- .--- ..- ... - -.- .. -.. -.. .. -. --. .-.-.

    Offline Kazimierz

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1147
    • Reputation: +772/-35
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Dork adults wear helmets while on scooter
    « Reply #27 on: September 07, 2018, 07:24:53 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • If I want to out in traffic these days, Id rather look sharp and some protective autobody around my person.

    Oh, maybe something like this....... 8) The TradCatmobile

    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster

    Offline Neil Obstat

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 18173
    • Reputation: +8259/-638
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Dork adults wear helmets while on scooter
    « Reply #28 on: September 08, 2018, 01:01:53 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • .
    https://qz.com/1257198/xiaomi-makes-the-bird-and-spin-scooters-taking-over-san-francisco/
    .
    https://www.recode.net/2018/4/29/17286194/scooters-bird-limebike-spin-san-francisco-dockless
    .

    .
    Retail:           $500
    Wholesale:    $200 -$400   (var. source, volume diff.)
    Capacity:     200/220 lbs.  (according to various sources)
    Range:        18 miles
    Top Speed:  15.5 mph
    MFG:          China, Xiamoi
    Model:         Mi - M365
    Voltage:       42 VDC
    Power:          250 W (rated)
    Weight:        26.9 lbs
    Frame:         Aerospace-grade aluminum  (carbon fiber coming next year)
    Tire size:      8.5 inches
    Motor size:   6.7 inches
    Max torque:                      16 N•m
    Motor rated power:              250 W
    Max instantaneous power:   500 W
    Motor control mode:             Sine-wave vector and current control + closed loop speed control
    Max incline:                        Approx. 14%
    Applicable terrain:              Cement, asphalt, flat soil pavements, bumps or steps less than 1cm high, less than 3cm wide
    Pedal board height:            Approx. 3.44 inches
    Resistance:                        IP54 dirt, dust and splash resistance

    Power
    Power structure:                       30 x 18650 lithium battery units
    Travel distance [1]:                 18.6 miles
    Charger rated power:               71W
    Charger rated input voltage:            100-240V~,50 / 60Hz
    Battery voltage limit:                      42V
    Charging time:                        Approx. 5 hours
    Smart power management:           Short circuit protection, overcurrent protection, double protection from overcharging, double protection from                                                                               overdischarging, temperature resistance, undervoltage auto-sleep protection
    Standard power consumption [2]:           1.1kWh per 100km


    Braking
    Braking distance [3]:           13.1 ft on dry flat asphalt
    Braking method:                  Regenerative + disc braking
    Tire material:                       Inflatable rubber tires


    Lights
    Headlights:                  1.1W ultra-bright headlights, 6m range
    Taillights:                   LED taillights
    Power indicator:           4 LED indicators
    Mode indicator:             Located under the power button. White for normal mode, green for power-saving mode


    Other
    Power-saving mode:           Max speed 18km/h, with more gentle accelerations for beginners
    Recommended age:             16 - 50 years old
    Recommended height:        47.2 - 78.7 inches
    Max load:                            220 lbs


    Package contents
    Assembled Electric Scooter, Extended Nozzle Adapter, 4 x Screws, Hexagon Wrench, 2 x Tires, Charging Adapter, User Manual, Legal Statement, Quick Start Guide, Warranty Card


    1. 18.6 miles long-distance range on a single full charge measured under the following conditions: 165 lbs loads, 77°F weather temperatures, a flat road without strong winds, power saving mode, and 9.3 mph constant speeds. Results may vary based on different weight loads, temperature, wind speed, operating habits, and other factors.

    2. Power consumption is estimated at 0.335kWh based on electricity metering equipment.

    100km standard power consumption calculation: Power required for a single full charge (0.335kWh) ÷ typical mileage (30km) x 100km.

    3. 13.1-ft braking distance measured at 12.4 mph speeds, 68℉ weather temperatures, 165lbs load, tire pressure of 35 PSI, and on flat dry asphalt.

    .
    .
    I couldn't find a parts list, but similar electric bicycle batteries cost $300 to replace. 
    I have to wonder about the theft of batteries -- there is no mention of how the batteries are locked or secured.
    .
    Several articles say that nobody is publishing the safety test data on these batteries and scooters or what kinds of tests they have been subjected to. Recall the hoverboard fad that disappeared after units were exploding or catching fire during charging or use.
    .--. .-.-.- ... .-.-.- ..-. --- .-. - .... . -.- .. -. --. -.. --- -- --..-- - .... . .--. --- .-- . .-. .- -. -.. -....- -....- .--- ..- ... - -.- .. -.. -.. .. -. --. .-.-.


     

    Sitemap 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16