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Offline Peter15and1

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« on: May 28, 2015, 12:39:43 PM »
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  • Do you agree?  Modesty was never a major concern of mind while in the hospital, but perhaps I was wrong.

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    The Problematic Hospital Gown

    Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.

    The TIA desk recently received an interesting letter on a rarely addressed modesty topic, the problematic hospital gown, which was directed by the Editor to my desk. Since I had already done some research on the subject and certainly had opinions on it, I agreed to respond.

    The letter read: “You have many articles covering modesty, but there is one aspect of modesty that I never see covered: hospital attire. I once had to go in for testing, and they put me in a single gown that did not nearly cover me, then made me walk down the hallway to the room for the testing with no way to cover myself, in front of many people of both sexes who were waiting there. They only mocked my humiliation. This was in the early 1980's at a hospital in Cincinnati. I felt as if I would die of mortification.

    “And whenever one is in a hospital for testing, surgery, etc, the best one can accomplish is to get ask for two gowns, but they are still immodestly short and revealing. An article and advice on this would be much appreciated. Thank you and God bless you.”

    Those who have had a hospital stay know about the indignity the letter-writer is talking about: the short, thin-material gown with a closed front and an open-air back that constitutes the standard hospital gown. There are ties in the back, but even if you can manage to get them fastened properly, the design is so scanty that usually something you don’t want showing in the back ends up showing.

    If this is immodest, humiliating and unacceptable, you do not have to just sit back, moan and bear the situation with a defeatist spirit, which is not a noble state of spirit, by the way. The noble position is never fatalist; it confronts the problem with energy - even and perhaps especially when it looks at a difficult fight, and it doesn’t relent until a solution is found.

    Provide your own

    This is the attitude to take in face of the hospital gown. There is no hospital rule stating that patients must wear the ones provided. You have a choice – to purchase or make one of your own and bring it with you for a scheduled operation.

    Many younger women today are choosing to purchase gowns before they go to the hospital to have babies. There is no reason why an older woman or single lady should not also have such a gown on hand in a special drawer or ‘hospital bag’ in case of some medical emergency.

    There are quite a few brands and styles that can be found at new online companies like Gownies, Hot Mama Gowns, DearJohnnies, and Trendy Tummy Maternity (geared strictly for women). Others, like Patient Style, Gorgeous Hospital Gowns and Health Gear, design and sell comfortable , practical and modest gowns for both men and women.

    “Oh, but that kind of pre-planning is so much trouble,” someone may object.

    Excuse me, my dear, we Americans are famous for our ‘insurance policy’ mentality: We cover our houses for every emergency – fire, theft, flooding, hail, appliances, you name it, there is a policy for it. We pre-plan our vacations, our retirements, every aspect of our lives. I recently came across a “Life Plan Manifesto” that steers a person through designing every detail in one’s life.

    Surely the trouble to pre-purchase a modest hospital gown for a potential or planned hospital stay is small enough “insurance” for a lady or man who wants to be faithful to Catholic Morals, have peace of mind and the assurance of dignity during a hospital stay.

    Another negative I’ve heard about bringing your own gown is the cost. One young woman complained that it was just “too much money to shell out if you’re only going to wear the gown once.”

    This complaint belies any real concern about modesty. If you supposedly desire more modesty during your hospital stay, then the cost of purchasing or making a gown is a secondary consideration. It is hard to believe that a relative or friend would not come to one’s assistance with the necessary funds – usually under $50 – in a case of a real want of funds. The gown would also make an excellent shower present for a mother-to-be or a birthday gift for that parent, aunt, or grandparent who seems to have everything.

    Make your voice heard

    Researching this topic, it was embarrassing for me to learn that hospitals are actually beginning to provide less revealing gowns because Muslim women are loudly objecting to the standard skimpy ones.

    I said it is embarrassing because I am ashamed that it is Muslims – and not Catholics – who are protesting so loudly that their voices are being heard. Why do Muslims call it “an unthinkable indignity” to wear the scanty hospital gowns, while Catholics calmly accept this opprobrium as normal? Certainly the almost total silence about Catholic morality of priests from the pulpit has to do with all this growing tide of tolerance among Catholics.

    An example of how activism produces results: When officials at Maine Medical Center discovered many Muslim women were so ashamed they were canceling doctor visits, the hospital took action, redesigning the standard gown to provide extra coverage for patients who want it. The new hospital gown is called a Johnny and anyone who wants to be fully clothed can request it.

    More hospitals are following suit. The Cleveland Clinic, for example, introduced a prototype gown that came from the drawing board of fashion magnate Diane von Furstenberg. It has a wraparound closure, a longer length, and has a colorful graphic print that incorporates the Cleveland Clinic Logo. The new model came as result of multiple requests from patients who complained they felt embarrassed or undignified wearing the scanty old gown.

    Other health institutions are also addressing the issue of modesty. At Seattle’s Swedish Cancer Institute, female patients complained about the old gown that had a gaping hole in the back that “didn’t give them a sense of dignity.” Patients often requested two gowns to cover up, which defeated the purpose of saving cost on the skimpy design.

    The directors responded with a new wraparound style robe that fully covers front and back. The positive feedback of patients has caused the design team to license the pattern to market nationwide.

    What can be learned from these examples? For me, it is simple. For too long customers – in this case, patients – have been silent in face of disagreeable situations, especially ones that involve morals. Perhaps Catholics are fearful of appearing “prudish,” perhaps they have simply wanted to “fit in” to the predominantly Protestant culture in the U.S.

    But we should not meekly “baaa” yes to immodest clothing that reduces one’s dignity and sense of being a child of God first and foremost. We should make our voices heard at the hospitals and clinics we visit and if our voices aren’t heard, then take action and purchase or make our own hospital gowns.


    http://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/C038_Gowns.htm


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    « Reply #1 on: May 28, 2015, 12:50:23 PM »
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  • One of the tactics of hospitals is to break down your dignity, thereby making you more obedient to their demands, which always has inducing their services (aka "health care") at the top of this list.

    A humiliated person is a less sovereign and less free-thinking person, and more likely to flow with the current rather than resist it.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)


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    « Reply #2 on: May 28, 2015, 04:15:09 PM »
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  • I've been hospitalized three times and have NEVER had the problems mentioned.  I have always been offered 2 gowns plus blankets.  The gowns have never been above my knee, although I am not 6'4" which would make a difference, but at 5'5" they are serviceable.

    The mission of the hospital is to save a life, the doctors/nurses/technicians are not deliberately trying to destroy someones "dignity" or "humiliate" them.

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    « Reply #3 on: May 28, 2015, 05:15:27 PM »
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  • Gowns typically have two ties.  One at the neck, and one at the waist.  Tie them both, and you should be sufficiently covered.  

    It is necessary for them to have you wear only a single fabric covering in case you start to die, and they have to tear the gown off of you to bring you back to life.  Your nakedness is required for when they shove chest tubes into your side, heart injections, heart leads, CPR, and other mundane things like that which will bring you back to life.  

    Where I think there is room for improvement is for hospital staff to inform patients how to properly pt on a gown.  On occassion, I see Hispanic women who do not speak my language wearing a gown that's open in the front, and their boobs are hanging out.  During such instances, I am embarassed that my institution did not properly instruct the woman on how to wear the gown, and I do my best to help preserve her modesty.  

    Other than that, the single fabric gown is essential for hospital staff--such as myself--to do a good job for you.  There's nothing worse than having to cut, tear, and struggle to get the pajamas and undergarments off of a dying person who is nothing more than dead weight.  It delays the situation by a few crucial minutes that could kill you.  

    If you get cold, just ask nurses for blankets.  




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    « Reply #4 on: May 29, 2015, 12:32:25 AM »
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  • Quote from: Marlelar
    The mission of the hospital is to save a life, the doctors/nurses/technicians are not deliberately trying to destroy someones "dignity" or "humiliate" them.


    Wrong, and you're naive. The number one mission of hospitals is to induce a demand (it's called "Supplier Induced Demand") for their "treatment", regardless if the patient actually needs, or doesn't need, treatment. Doctors sustain their livelihoods off of administering "health care" to patients - regardless of the hospital being nonprofit or for profit. The doctors put their interests above patients' interests because, ultimately, the impetus for medical decisions (from the care giver) is about making money.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)


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    « Reply #5 on: May 29, 2015, 01:40:48 AM »
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    The mission of the hospital is to save a life, the doctors/nurses/technicians are not deliberately trying to destroy someones "dignity" or "humiliate" them.


    Wrong, and you're naive. The number one mission of hospitals is to induce a demand (it's called "Supplier Induced Demand") for their "treatment", regardless if the patient actually needs, or doesn't need, treatment. Doctors sustain their livelihoods off of administering "health care" to patients - regardless of the hospital being nonprofit or for profit. The doctors put their interests above patients' interests because, ultimately, the impetus for medical decisions (from the care giver) is about making money.


    Damn.  You caught onto our plan.  I'll have to raise the alert now.
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    « Reply #6 on: May 31, 2015, 05:06:15 PM »
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    Damn.  You caught onto our plan.  I'll have to raise the alert now.


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    « Reply #7 on: May 31, 2015, 05:09:29 PM »
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    The mission of the hospital is to save a life, the doctors/nurses/technicians are not deliberately trying to destroy someones "dignity" or "humiliate" them.


    Wrong, and you're naive. The number one mission of hospitals is to induce a demand (it's called "Supplier Induced Demand") for their "treatment", regardless if the patient actually needs, or doesn't need, treatment. Doctors sustain their livelihoods off of administering "health care" to patients - regardless of the hospital being nonprofit or for profit. The doctors put their interests above patients' interests because, ultimately, the impetus for medical decisions (from the care giver) is about making money.


    Take care of yourself.


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    « Reply #8 on: May 31, 2015, 06:43:28 PM »
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    The mission of the hospital is to save a life, the doctors/nurses/technicians are not deliberately trying to destroy someones "dignity" or "humiliate" them.


    Wrong, and you're naive. The number one mission of hospitals is to induce a demand (it's called "Supplier Induced Demand") for their "treatment", regardless if the patient actually needs, or doesn't need, treatment. Doctors sustain their livelihoods off of administering "health care" to patients - regardless of the hospital being nonprofit or for profit. The doctors put their interests above patients' interests because, ultimately, the impetus for medical decisions (from the care giver) is about making money.


    Take care of yourself.


    I do take care of myself. My VO2 max tested at 67% a number of years ago, which is excellent, and twice the max of the average VO2 max. It's probably higher now because I'm in even better shape than when I was tested.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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    « Reply #9 on: May 31, 2015, 07:38:30 PM »
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  • Actually I find the modern-day clothing of nurses and doctors immodest (and I'm not even talking about the outrage of female doctors) with traditional nursing and medical garb tossed aside for modern medical scrubs worn all of the time in hospitals.

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    « Reply #10 on: May 31, 2015, 08:57:52 PM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    Actually I find the modern-day clothing of nurses and doctors immodest (and I'm not even talking about the outrage of female doctors) with traditional nursing and medical garb tossed aside for modern medical scrubs worn all of the time in hospitals.


    It seems the attire of harlots and prostitutes from 10 years ago (maybe less) becomes the "normal" mainstream attire for women - including at their places of work- in current times.
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    « Reply #11 on: June 01, 2015, 11:32:17 AM »
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    Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    Actually I find the modern-day clothing of nurses and doctors immodest (and I'm not even talking about the outrage of female doctors) with traditional nursing and medical garb tossed aside for modern medical scrubs worn all of the time in hospitals.


    It seems the attire of harlots and prostitutes from 10 years ago (maybe less) becomes the "normal" mainstream attire for women - including at their places of work- in current times.


    Pretty much all women these days act like prostitutes so it is not surprising that the clothing they wear is whorish. The Jєωs learned a long time ago that it is much easier to control women than men hence feminism was created to make men effeminate and make women empowered for "freedom."

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    « Reply #12 on: June 01, 2015, 06:35:47 PM »
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  • While in the hospital, a doctor came in trailing a handful of students- he examined me, in the process exposing some things I would rather not have. Never once was I asked if I found it agreeable to be subjected to these voyeurs. Had I more of my wits about me at the time, I would have refused. Afterward I found out that they weren't even in medical school-- but rather some high-school program that allows students credit for exploring the medical field!

    If an adult exposes himself to these minors-- he would be arrested--yet these little twerps get to have a peep show at the expense of helpless patients in order to satisfy their curiosty? Still appalled.

    Preserving dignity in a hospital is not just about the gowns. Would you in the medical field like your own loved ones treated like that?

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    « Reply #13 on: June 02, 2015, 10:47:46 AM »
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  • you have the right to register a formal complaint to the hospital and the state certification

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    Few patients enter our health care system prepared for the unexpected and embarrassing circuмstances that can routinely happen.

    Most can accept it when we’re treated with modesty and respect.  But not many are prepared for those times when you might be unnecessarily exposed or treated rudely.  The possibilities for embarrassment are endless and it is usually unexpected.   When avoidable incidents do happen, most patients are not prepared to speak up.  Many regret their inability to speak at the time of the incident.

    In fact it is important to speak up at the time of occurrence if at all possible, or if not, as soon as possible thereafter.  It can often be difficult or impossible to identify the offenders days or weeks after the occurrence.  Situations are most likely to be rectified if they are brought to the immediate attention of the offenders and their superiors.   A common example would be being exposed in an examining room when someone leaves the door open or comes in without warning.  Few patients appreciate that but most don’t say anything.  But if you wait several days to complain, it is likely that the office will not remember who was involved.

    Despite your embarrassment, the office personnel may recall nothing unusual; it was just in a day’s work for them and consideration of patient’s privacy doesn’t cross their radar.  In a hospital a common occurrence would be for the patient to be exposed during a bath or procedure with the curtain or door being left open.  The potential is even greater for embarrassment if you’re in a semiprivate room and your roommate has visitors.   Even without exposure, having your history taken in a semiprivate room with or without visitors present may cause you to reveal embarrassing and confidential information.  Once again, if you don’t speak up immediately, it will be difficult to identify the perpetrators later.

    It helps to have a clear idea what you want from your protest.  A simple apology is the easiest to obtain and may be all that’s needed.   If you want a clear indication that policies will be changed to prevent re-occurrences of the problem, you will need to go beyond a simple apology and communicate the problem with the physicians or managers in charge.  They may indicate that policy directives will be updated and sent out on their own, but if not you may have to request that they take specific action to correct the problem.

    The best course of action to take depends on where the incident occurred.  Usually make the complaint immediately to the person who caused it.  In an office, this could be the physician, nurse or assistant.  If you’re not immediately satisfied with the response, also bring your complaint to the physician in charge.  If the infraction was incidental, a simple apology should be enough.  If the infraction was part of a pattern of behavior, you should notify the physician in charge.

    If you don’t complain at once, the next best course is to call or write a letter as soon as possible afterwords.   If the complaint is serious and you remain unsatisfied by the response, the usual next course of action is to lodge a complaint against the physician with the state medical board.  All 50 states have them.  If they don’t handle the complaint themselves, they will tell you where to take it.  All states have a board which investigates complaints against physicians.  In all cases, when a written or electronic complaint is filed, you should keep copies and note that you will send copies to their superiors , or to the state and federal institutions which may have jurisdiction.

    In a hospital, again make your displeasure immediately known to the person responsible.   If not satisfied, take your complaint to the head nurse or physician in charge.   Try to get the names of the people involved so that you can pursue the complaint more profitably.  If the complaint is against a specific nurse, you can also complain to the state nursing board.  Again all 50 states have them and will investigate complaints.  Most hospitals will deal with complaints against specific personnel internally.  If this doesn’t work, continue up the hospital hierarchy.  Most hospitals have a patient advocate whose job it is to handle complaints.  Start with her, but remember that she still works for the hospital no matter her title.  If still no satisfaction, I would send a letter to the CEO of the hospital.  When formulating complaints against a hospital, it is well to remember that nearly all publish a patient bill of rights which might give you considerable help in outlining your complaint.  If still unsatisfied, you should consider sending a complaint to the state board that regulates and licenses hospitals (I haven’t found one website that lists them for all states.)

    Another possibility is sending a complaint to JCAHO, the Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations, usually now shortened to the Joint Commission.   They are more likely to respond to systemic complaints against a hospital rather than one incident unless there were life threatening implications to the occurrence.
    Of other venues to be considered, probably nursing homes are the most common source of complaints.  All states have regulations for nursing homes.  Many also have further laws concerning elder abuse.  Once again, see if the problem can be solved internally in the facility, but if the nursing staff and management won’t help, complaints to the state are appropriate.

    Probably the last place to complain is with HIPAA.  They do take patient complaints but they are not oriented towards individual complaints unless it clearly has to do with information transfer.  If say a hospital posted photos of your operation on an instructional site without your permission, it could fall under their purview.  There is no right of private action under federal law though there may be under individual state laws.  Finally you can contact a lawyer at any time but beware that most privacy violations won’t bring large monetary damages.  So do so only if you are really motivated to obtain redress as the attorney bills will be significant.
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    « Reply #14 on: June 02, 2015, 07:47:39 PM »
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    While in the hospital, a doctor came in trailing a handful of students- he examined me, in the process exposing some things I would rather not have. Never once was I asked if I found it agreeable to be subjected to these voyeurs. Had I more of my wits about me at the time, I would have refused. Afterward I found out that they weren't even in medical school-- but rather some high-school program that allows students credit for exploring the medical field!

    If an adult exposes himself to these minors-- he would be arrested--yet these little twerps get to have a peep show at the expense of helpless patients in order to satisfy their curiosty? Still appalled.

    Preserving dignity in a hospital is not just about the gowns. Would you in the medical field like your own loved ones treated like that?


    This is truly outrageous treatment, I hope you filed a complaint.