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s2srea · « **Reply #15 on:** September 26, 2011, 06:51:18 PM »

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There is a problem with telling people the question doesn't really matter to one's salvation but acting as though it matters immensely. (the SSPX does this)

By the way, I wanted to emphasize you're taking my words a bit too personally by continually drawing correlations between myself and SSPX.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #16 on:** September 26, 2011, 06:53:17 PM »

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If you can only see my position as being with the SSPX attitude (which I politely disagree with), then I would suggest you look again at what the source of this division is again, and re-read my earlier posts here. You are exemplifying that division which I am attempting to speak against. Really read what I have to say.

I know I never said you were.

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Again, I think you're having a hard time following me; maybe thats my fault. I'm saying we cant solve the larger problem at hand (sede-vs non-sede), but when we try, it causes division which is non-essential.

And what I am saying is that the division is caused by an essential problem. The essential problem is that the leadership of the largest trad organization is vehemently anti-sede (although it can't really be said to have always been that way - it has changed over time)

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You're drawing conclusions waaaay too fast here. I'm not telling anyone, anything, nor am I defending anyone's actions. Re-read what I said, and see if you can be a little more objective bud.

I wasn't talking about you, but about the SSPX apologetics that use that very approach of saying that it doesn't really matter to the spiritual life.

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And with this, I'm thoroughly confused.

Si Si Non Non refers to Cardinal Ratzinger as a "prefect without Faith."

I am curious how can approved publications say that someone does not have the Faith, then turn around and insist that no one can legitimately question his papacy?

s2srea · « **Reply #17 on:** September 26, 2011, 07:05:26 PM »

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I know I never said you were.

Mea culpa.

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And what I am saying is that the division is caused by an essential problem. The essential problem is that the leadership of the largest trad organization is vehemently anti-sede (although it can't really be said to have always been that way - it has changed over time)

Great. On this we agree. Now how do you, tele, propose to fix this problem?

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Si Si Non Non refers to Cardinal Ratzinger as a "prefect without Faith."

I am curious how can approved publications say that someone does not have the Faith, then turn around and insist that no one can legitimately question his papacy?

I won't try to defend them. Neither will I attack, for now.

Baskerville · « **Reply #18 on:** September 26, 2011, 07:10:51 PM »

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Just as it is self-contradictory to say that Cardinal Ratzinger was "Prefect without Faith" but to then say that his papacy cannot be questioned.

My experience in the SSPX is they want their cake and to eat it too. I used to be sspx but every sermon was about how terrible the Pope is and at the same time they expect us to follow the Pope. It never made sense too me. SVism does.

s2srea · « **Reply #19 on:** September 26, 2011, 07:13:49 PM »

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My experience in the SSPX is they want their cake and to eat it too. I used to be sspx but every sermon was about how terrible the Pope is and at the same time they expect us to follow the Pope. It never made sense too me. SVism does.

Cool. Now lets wait for someone to counter you, then you get upset. Then someone come to your rescue, who is more learned. Then the original person who counters tries to defend his original stance, then he is countered, a little ad hominem here and there, then someone gets really upset, maybe curses... shall I pull up the countless threads like this which have really advanced us.?

Zenith · « **Reply #20 on:** September 27, 2011, 07:00:45 AM »

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My experience in the SSPX is they want their cake and to eat it too. I used to be sspx but every sermon was about how terrible the Pope is and at the same time they expect us to follow the Pope. It never made sense too me. SVism does.

Cool. Now lets wait for someone to counter you, then you get upset. Then someone come to your rescue, who is more learned. Then the original person who counters tries to defend his original stance, then he is countered, a little ad hominem here and there, then someone gets really upset, maybe curses... shall I pull up the countless threads like this which have really advanced us.?

Well said.
Yes we seem to spend way too much time fighting eachother and in the end nothing gets done.
Its a bit like an army going into battle and the night before the battle they all get drunk and start fighting amoungst eachother. That night no one gets any sleep because they are all too busy fighting eachother and they don't see the enemy coming, who in the end wipes them all out.

s2srea · « **Reply #21 on:** September 27, 2011, 08:24:59 AM »

Well said Zenith!