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Title: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 13, 2018, 12:19:32 AM
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I realize this is now two months old, but not having seen it mentioned on CI perhaps some of the members would like to know about it.
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Did you hear this being covered in the MSM? Because I didn't.
It's the kind of thing that fake news loves to pretend doesn't exist.
And it's too hot of a topic even for many conservatives.
But it is quite relevant for an awareness of current events and history in the making.
Comments section follows the article on the source site, with 26 comments.
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https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/29283-dutch-anti-islamization-party-to-host-draw-mohammed-contest
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Thursday, 14 June 2018
Dutch Anti-Islamization Party to Host “Draw Mohammed” Contest
Written by  Selwyn Duke (https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/itemlist/user/49-selwynduke)
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Drawing Mohammed draws ire, to say the least — but that’s not stopping a Dutch anti-Islamization party from hosting an event to do just that. As the Week reports (http://www.theweek.co.uk/94247/dutch-far-right-party-to-hold-prophet-mohammed-cartoon-contest):
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The Netherlands-based Party for Freedom (PVV) is to hold a competition inviting its members to draw cartoons depicting Islam’s Prophet Mohammed.
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The party, led by anti-Islam politician Geert Wilders (http://www.theweek.co.uk/82436/geert-wilders-who-is-the-far-right-dutch-politician), is the main opposition in the Dutch parliament, after coming second in elections in March last year.
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“Dutch Counter-terrorism Agency NCTV gives green light to Muhammad cartoon contest in secured PVV quarters of Dutch Parliament later this year,” Wilders tweeted (https://twitter.com/geertwilderspvv/status/1006519078767464448?ref_src=twsrc^tfw) yesterday, along with a Mohammed cartoon.
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“So that’s what we’re going to do and organize! With cartoonist/ex-Muslim Bosch Fawstin! Freedom of speech is most important of all!!”
Cartoons and other depictions of Mohammad have provoked violent responses in the past.
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That may be the understatement of the year. “Depicting the image of Prophet Mohammad is consider [sic] blasphemy among many followers of Islam,” relates (https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/973579/anti-islam-geert-wilders-party-for-freedom-drawing-mohammed-competition-netherlands) the Express. The paper then continues:
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In 2015, Islamist terrorists killed 12 people at the newsroom of French satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo after it printed cartoons of Mohammad.
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In 2005, the publication of a dozen drawings depicting the Prophet in Danish magazine Jyllands-Posten led to violent protests across the Muslim world.
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And American cartoonist Molly Norris has been deemed a “prime target” for execution by Islamic extremist [sic] after depicting the likeness of the prophet on several items. 
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In fact, Norris drew the original cartoon for the very first “draw Mohammed” competition, a May 20, 2010 event declared the first annual “Everybody Draw Mohammed Day”; it was born of support for artists threatened with violence for creating representations of the Muslim “prophet.” One result was that Norris found herself on the aforementioned al-Qaeda hit list and has been in hiding (http://www.seattleglobalist.com/2015/02/09/molly-norris-draw-mohammed-cartoon-charlie-hebdo-seattle/32674) since 2010.
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Wilders has expressed a desire (2015 video below) to hold his contest ever since he spoke at the 2015 “Draw Mohammed” competition in Garland, Texas. Interestingly, it, too, was in part designed to support Mohammed-portraying artists and was also a scene of Islamic violence. In fact, two people were killed in an attack that critics say (https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/28575-injured-victim-suing-fbi-for-allowing-terrorist-attack-to-happen) was actually encouraged by the Obama-era FBI (a man injured during it is suing (https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/28575-injured-victim-suing-fbi-for-allowing-terrorist-attack-to-happen) the bureau on this basis).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWhzEV0AqFY
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Whatever the case, there’s no question that the media and pseudo-elites have no sympathy for those who “slander the prophet,” as Barack Obama once put it. Texas “Draw Mohammed” event organizer Pamela Geller explained (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/05/04/why-a-woman-named-pamela-geller-organized-a-prophet-muhammad-cartoon-contest/?utm_term=.d09b009a563f) that they’d “decided to have a cartoon contest to show we would not kowtow to violent intimidation and allow the freedom of speech to be overwhelmed by thugs and bullies.” Yet this cuts no ice with her critics, who condemn such events as incitement to violence and “purposely provocative (https://www.msn.com/pt-br/video/estilodevida/mayor-drawing-mohammed-purposefully-provocative/vi-BBkppi0).” This is rank hypocrisy.
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Just this past Saturday there was a 600-strong protest (http://www.returntoorder.org/2018/06/reparation-crusade-in-manhattan-much-more-than-i-expected/) at New York City’s Metropolitan Museum of Art, which is hosting the “Heavenly Bodies: Fashion and the Catholic Imagination” exhibition, found offensive by many Catholics. There was nary a peep from the media about how inappropriately “provocative” it is.
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Then there were the works of “art” showing (https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2012/sep/28/andres-serrano-piss-christ-new-york) a crucifix immersed in a bowl of urine and the Virgin Mary smeared (http://articles.latimes.com/1999/oct/05/local/me-18803) in elephant dung, and the Hollywood movies and shows that frequently — and purposely — take the Lord’s name in vain. Not only didn’t and doesn’t the Left complain; its minions often actually revel in mocking and offending Christians. “Grow up and suck it up — and how dare you try to engage in censorship and suppress freedom of expression!” is the response.
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So what’s the difference? That Christians pray for their enemies and not kill them? If Christians mounted physical attacks, would the above also then be condemned as “incitement to violence”?
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Of course not. Instead, Christians would be condemned as violent (which they often are already, based on revisionist history — e.g., the Crusades) and clamped down on hard.
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Sadly, though, violence combined with protected-group status really does work. Charlie Hebdo, which prided itself on its irreverence and was one of the only leftist entities to draw Mohammed, said it would no longer do so after the attack on its offices. This all, by the way, puts the lie to the claim that Christianity-mocking artists are “brave.” They’re simply hostile, bigoted people who pick on soft targets — ones that won’t cut their bloody heads off.
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Having said this, there is the deeper issue of what should be held sacred, a status that every civilization grants to certain things. For example, in accordance with our racial “religion,” we have our untouchable figures (e.g., Martin Luther King) and unforgivable transgressions, such as politically incorrect commentary and humor (see Rosanne Barr, et al.).
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But while scholars disgorge philoso-babble (http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2015/05/was-the-draw-muhammad-competition-an-incitement-to-violence/) about whether drawing Mohammed constitutes “hate speech,” they all miss the point. What should determine what’s held sacred?
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Truth.
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If Islam were true, then it perhaps would be wise to refrain from representing Mohammed. Oh, as a practical and politeness matter, we may also at times make certain concessions to certain people (e.g., when Thomas Jefferson rearranged a dinner party, as a matter of diplomacy, to accommodate a Tunisian envoy’s Ramadan fast). But elevating lies to sacred status — a practice occupying political correctness’ heart, mind you — can bring a civilization to destruction. And denying the truly sacred its rightful status can bring a land to barbarism. What a pity that today we sanctify all the wrong things.
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Comments:
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Oldtymepatriot (https://disqus.com/by/Oldtymepatriot/) • 2 months ago (https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/29283-dutch-anti-islamization-party-to-host-draw-mohammed-contest#comment-3944982197)
Mohammed was a barbaric terrorist who founded the evil Satanic cult of Islam. Islam is not a religion of peace in any definition of the word, but a death cult in which those who choose to leave it are marked for elimination. Minor infractions, many not recognized in any society other than in the Muslim world, can lead to stoning or honor killing buy family members. 
Mohammed was evil and should be represented as such in any cartoons drawn.

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SlowCookedProgs (https://disqus.com/by/ModeratedMoniker/) • 2 months ago (https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/29283-dutch-anti-islamization-party-to-host-draw-mohammed-contest#comment-3945094542)
So, a declaration of war, then. Considering how the Muslims have overrun the Dutch and are changing their laws by sheer numbers of immigrants, you can't blame them for wanting to fight back. Kind of like many here in the U.S. feel about how Hispanic immigration is changing our way of life. It doesn't help when our own government treats them like a protected class and there is no assimilation. I'm all for free speech. Say what you will, but be ready to back it up with your life. The most committed wins.
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On a side note, if I remember my history of Christian violence during the Crusades as so often mentioned to excuse Islamic violence, it was about repelling Islam in one of the many times they have tried to dominate the whole known world. Christianity is now a religion of peace. Islam has never been nor ever will be a religion of peace.

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Flash Kellam (https://disqus.com/by/flashkellam/) • a month ago (https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/29283-dutch-anti-islamization-party-to-host-draw-mohammed-contest#comment-3987186360)
I would like to see the “Draw Mohammed” contest offer a special prize for the artist who presents the best depiction of Mohammed that also satirizes a previously produced work of anti-Christian “art”. Say, a portrait of Mohammed made out of elephant dung, or a plastic star and crescent dipped in a vat of artist’s urine and titled “P*** Mohammed”.
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In this way, we can expose liberal hypocrisy while we demonstrate how Islam is totally incompatible with Western Civilization.

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Title: Re: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: klasG4e on August 13, 2018, 05:42:45 PM
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https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/29283-dutch-anti-islamization-party-to-host-draw-mohammed-contest

Now if we could just get The New American to run some publicity on https://www.historiography-project.com/iran/ (https://www.historiography-project.com/iran/)
Fat chance though since the New American is the flagship publication of the JBS (John Birch Society).  The most informative and damning piece on the JBS I ever came across was included in the book The Sword of Christendom by Fr. DeLallo, SSPX.  Unfortunately, the book formerly published and promoted by The Angelus Press is long gone out of print.  The sword cut too close to the bone.
Title: Re: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: JezusDeKoning on August 13, 2018, 08:10:28 PM
Let the fundie Muslims get mad. If someone wants to kill people because there were images of a schizophrenic pedophile somewhere, that's their problem. Muhammad was one of the most despicable, vile and insipid people to ever live.
Title: Re: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 13, 2018, 10:18:47 PM
Let the fundie Muslims get mad. If someone wants to kill people because there were images of a schizophrenic pedophile somewhere, that's their problem. Muhammad was one of the most despicable, vile and insipid people to ever live.
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There are a number of YouTube videos featuring Geert Wilders (interview guest of Sean Hannity in the OP video) who is going all over the world giving presentations to deliver this very message, that we cannot be silent just because the fundie Muslims get mad, because then they have terrorized us into submission. Instead, for every mad reaction they perpetrate, Wilders says, we ought to produce ten times the number of Mohammed images on public display.
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The first 5 minutes of the first video below, describes the terrorist threats with which Mohammedans have attacked Geert Wilders.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtTsHNC5iiw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiHNXmRPnm8
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0UHbSmZFjk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI0mUGj4vco
Title: Re: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: klasG4e on August 14, 2018, 02:42:40 AM
Obviously, Mohammed was a major anti-Christ false prophet and his false religion has been a mighty scourge against Christ and his Church.  That said, I would argue that today and for at least the last century it has been far, far less influential directly and indirectly in corrupting the lives of Christians and sending them to hell (mostly through sins against the 6th and 9th Commandments) than has Judaism.   I would also argue that the results of Judaism via such entities as Israel, AIPAC, Planned Parenthood, the sex industry, and the world's centralized banks and usury to name but some of the major things has had a far more devastating impact in terms of a culture of spiritual and physical death in the modern world than Islam.

As for Wilders, if he was of the same stature and was blaspheming Judaism and the "h0Ɩ0cαųst" (putting aside the semantics/question of whether it actually be possible to blaspheme that which is so lacking in holiness) to the same degree he has been going against Islam and Mohammed, I think it would be fairly safe to say that he would not simply be continuing to receive death threats, but that the Mossad would have terminated him with prejudice years ago.

One final word about The New American --it is nothing, but a ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic rag which shills for Israel including its staunch defense of that bastard terrorist apartheid state against any and all charges of its major involvement in 9-11.

Title: Re: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: JezusDeKoning on August 14, 2018, 08:37:17 AM
A lot of Jєωιѕн Dutch were deported or died in the Second World War. 

It would look really, really bad if he tried to do that there. He would be probably laughed and shamed out of politics.
Title: Re: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: klasG4e on August 14, 2018, 02:32:40 PM
A lot of Jєωιѕн Dutch were deported or died in the Second World War.

It would look really, really bad if he tried to do that there. He would be probably laughed and shamed out of politics.

The ancestors of the Jєωιѕн Dutch certainly knew a lot about deporting or rather enslaving people (Blacks) and these major slave traders certainly witnessed countless numbers of them including women and children die in the barbaric trans-Atlantic passages.

As for Wilders (raised a Catholic, but for many years to the present an intense Zionist) and his allied Dutch Jews vilifying Muslims today it actually helps to increase anti-Semitism.  But in the twisted world of modern day Judaism -- read Zionism -- it all works out swell.  Theodore Herzl and other Zionists were fully aware of the fact that anti-Semitism is an essential ingredient in the overall promotion of Zionism.
Title: Re: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 16, 2018, 12:23:01 PM
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In one of his videos, Geert Wilders says he will one day become Prime Minister of the Netherlands. Someone else said he is very popular in his country. I found it noteworthy that when he gets started on his support of Israel it's obvious that is his greatest passion, that Israel can do no wrong and that the right of Israelis to keep the land they have taken (by force -- but he doesn't say that) over is some kind of God-given right. 
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I wonder what he has to say about the right of Jews to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem. 
Title: Re: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: Charlemagne on August 16, 2018, 12:50:59 PM
"Draw Mohammed contest?" I have my own entry:

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tlCCCrKEl7k/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 07, 2018, 07:52:22 PM
"Draw Mohammed contest?" I have my own entry:

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tlCCCrKEl7k/maxresdefault.jpg)
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Not bad, but it would be more convincing with a rag top and a beard.
Title: Re: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: BTNYC on September 08, 2018, 11:26:17 AM
With all the countless cogent, rational arguments to be made against Mohammedanism and its founder, it's more than a little disheartening that the best Post-Christian Judaized Europe can come up with is boorish, puerile nonsense like this "contest," which, while it may inflame many, will convince and convert no one. Equally disheartening, if not at all surprising, is that it's spearheaded by a Post-Christian Judaizer like Geert Wilders. 

This is pretty transparent stuff: the apostate Wilders is a shabbos goy gatekeeper who is keeping Europe's very well-founded hatred of the Mohammedan horde that has invaded its lands confined to the realm of the unreasoning, uncritical, reactionary variety that is useful to the Zionists who propagate it. All the better to keep the people from examining too closely the fatally de-Christianized condition of their continent, the economic and political machinations that brought these Mohammedans to Europe in the fist place, and, most of all, (((who))) is responsible for both.
Title: Re: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: Matthew on September 08, 2018, 01:00:44 PM
Here is my rendition of the heretic, reprobate false prophet Mohammad:

It's hard to draw with a mouse. I don't want to mess with drawing and then scanning it in. Our scanner is installed in a different building on my property.

Not that I can really draw in any case, but I do know how to draw profiles of horribly disfigured and ugly people. It's the one thing I know how to draw...
Title: Re: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: Matthew on September 08, 2018, 01:01:56 PM
The reason they forbid all drawing of Mohammad 1,300 years ago? They knew I'd be coming!

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Title: Re: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: Struthio on September 08, 2018, 01:32:16 PM
Not very heroic or manly to draw Mohammed today. Try Rabbi Moyses Maimonides, or Menachem Mendel Schneerson.
Title: Re: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: Matthew on September 08, 2018, 02:26:12 PM
Not very heroic or manly to draw Mohammed today. Try Rabbi Moyses Maimonides, or Menachem Mendel Schneerson.
Not familiar with either of them.
Title: Re: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: Struthio on September 08, 2018, 02:41:01 PM
It is not a duty, but I think today a good idea to know the enemy. Google or duckduckgo them should your spare time allow for it.
Title: Re: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: JezusDeKoning on September 08, 2018, 03:24:43 PM
Not familiar with either of them.
Two famous Jєωιѕн scholars... one was American if I remember correctly? One of them was well-known by the elder George Bush.
Title: Re: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: Struthio on September 08, 2018, 06:48:34 PM
Wikipedia: Maimonides (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maimonides)
Wikipedia: Schneerson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Mendel_Schneerson)
Youtube: Schneerson Trump (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Schneerson+Trump&page=&utm_source=opensearch)
Title: Re: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: Struthio on September 08, 2018, 07:49:46 PM
Schneerson "oval office" (https://www.google.com/search?q=Schneerson+%22oval+office%22&tbm=isch)

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Title: Re: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: Struthio on September 09, 2018, 08:34:54 AM
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Flickr_-_USCapitol_-_Maimonides_%281135-1204%29.jpg/220px-Flickr_-_USCapitol_-_Maimonides_%281135-1204%29.jpg) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flickr_-_USCapitol_-_Maimonides_(1135-1204).jpg)
Bas relief (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bas_relief) of Maimonides in the U.S. House of Representatives (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._House_of_Representatives).
en.wikipedia.org (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maimonides)


In the Legenda aurea (Golden Legend) Blessed bishop Jacobus de Varagine (i.e. Varazze) reports that Rabbi Moyses Maimonides tried to prove the Ascension of Christ wrong, arguing that the distance is too huge.
Title: Re: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: Charlemagne on September 09, 2018, 06:22:32 PM
Not very heroic or manly to draw Mohammed today. Try Rabbi Moyses Maimonides, or Menachem Mendel Schneerson.
Or Ivanka Trump or her icky elf of a husband.
Title: Re: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: alaric on September 09, 2018, 06:38:39 PM
I can't find any good renditions of the "prophet", but here's a good one of one of his cousins;

(https://www.darkmoon.me/uploads/h0Ɩ0cαųst-300x271.jpg)
Title: Re: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: alaric on September 09, 2018, 06:49:41 PM
With all the countless cogent, rational arguments to be made against Mohammedanism and its founder, it's more than a little disheartening that the best Post-Christian Judaized Europe can come up with is boorish, puerile nonsense like this "contest," which, while it may inflame many, will convince and convert no one. Equally disheartening, if not at all surprising, is that it's spearheaded by a Post-Christian Judaizer like Geert Wilders.

This is pretty transparent stuff: the apostate Wilders is a shabbos goy gatekeeper who is keeping Europe's very well-founded hatred of the Mohammedan horde that has invaded its lands confined to the realm of the unreasoning, uncritical, reactionary variety that is useful to the Zionists who propagate it. All the better to keep the people from examining too closely the fatally de-Christianized condition of their continent, the economic and political machinations that brought these Mohammedans to Europe in the fist place, and, most of all, (((who))) is responsible for both.
Good post. Wilders is just a stooge, the moo-slims are just a symptom of the core disease.
Who the hell unleashed savage mudslims and savages from Africa on Europe to begin with?
Yea, we all know the answer to that question( and it's not the mohamedeans), but no one wants to really address it.
Much safer to attack the muzzies and their pedo-hero, which will have zero effect on the situation. Only really exasperate it really.
We all know who really benefits from an Islamic/African-savage invasion of Europe. And it's not Europeans or the muzzies;
'Islamization of Europe a good thing'

Rabbi Baruch Efrati believes Jews should 'rejoice at the fact that Europe is paying for what it did to us for hundreds of years by losing its identity.' He praises Islam for promoting modesty, respect for God


://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4299673,00.html

Title: Re: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: alaric on September 09, 2018, 06:58:04 PM
Or Ivanka Trump or her icky elf of a husband.
(https://www.infiniteunknown.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/kushnercourtjew1.jpg)
Title: Re: "Draw Mohammed" Contest to be Hosted by Dutch Anti-Islamization Party
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 25, 2018, 05:35:25 PM
Schneerson "oval office" (https://www.google.com/search?q=Schneerson+%22oval+office%22&tbm=isch)

(https://assets.forwardcdn.com/images/cropped/education-and-sharing-day-1522255811.jpg)
(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/in-a-proclamation-signing-ceremony-us-president-george-w-bush-the-picture-id51093770)
(http://www.spingola.com/ReaganEducation.jpg)
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Why do they wear hats indoors -- don't they know that's not respectful in formal settings?