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Online Everlast22

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"Catholic Grifters"
« on: February 16, 2024, 10:02:47 AM »
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  • I wanted to ask everyone who they think is the most prominent Catholic gatekeeper grifter working with the Cabal??


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    Re: "Catholic Grifters"
    « Reply #1 on: February 16, 2024, 10:12:05 AM »
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  • To me, Gatekeepers are different from Grifters.

    Gatekeepers may do it out of principle, where Grifters just don't want to take a controversial stand so as not to alienate a large part of their audience, and therefore impact the livelihood they make off their "apostolate" (instead of getting real jobs).

    Top (Suspected) Gatekeepers (out of principle) --
    -- Bishop Schneider
    -- Bishop Huonder
    -- possible SSPX infiltrators or compromised individuals (+Fellay and the Fellay yes-men)

    Top Grifters --
    --Michael Matt
    --Taylor Marshall


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    Re: "Catholic Grifters"
    « Reply #2 on: February 16, 2024, 10:14:09 AM »
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  • To me, Gatekeepers are different from Grifters.

    Gatekeepers may do it out of principle, where Grifters just don't want to take a controversial stand so as not to alienate a large part of their audience, and therefore impact the livelihood they make off their "apostolate" (instead of getting real jobs).

    Top (Suspected) Gatekeepers (out of principle) --
    -- Bishop Schneider
    -- Bishop Huonder

    Top Grifters --
    --Michael Matt
    --Taylor Marshall

    Well said.

    Gatekeepers are part of a conspiracy. Grifters are just "politicians", trying to cast as wide a net as possible, for the sake of popularity, ad revenue, and their wealth.

    YOU MIGHT BE A GRIFTER IF...

    You making a living off the Gospel, but you aren't a priest or religious.
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    Re: "Catholic Grifters"
    « Reply #3 on: February 16, 2024, 10:21:20 AM »
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  • Well said.

    Gatekeepers are part of a conspiracy. Grifters are just "politicians", trying to cast as wide a net as possible, for the sake of popularity, ad revenue, and their wealth.

    YOU MIGHT BE A GRIFTER IF...

    You making a living off the Gospel, but you aren't a priest or religious.
    What is interesting to me is how in good conscience you can just grift like that, when you are already making LOTS of money off a crisis in a Church. Is there not a conscience that hits you? At least a little bit? I couldn't live with that.

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    Re: "Catholic Grifters"
    « Reply #4 on: February 16, 2024, 10:28:34 AM »
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  • What is interesting to me is how in good conscience you can just grift like that, when you are already making LOTS of money off a crisis in a Church. Is there not a conscience that hits you? At least a little bit? I couldn't live with that.

    Oh, I agree.  And there are some honest types who took a serious hit for their consciences:  Gerry Matatics and Patrick Coffin come to mind.  Matatics was at Scott Hahn levels in terms of what he was doing, going on tours, probably could have gotten in with "Catholic" "Answers" and EWTN, but gave it all up (even if you don't agree with him) to be true to his conscience.  Coffin was an EWTN personality, getting much revenue from his activities, but he's now given that up to become a Bennyvacantist (even if you don't agree with it).

    As for the others, they make LOTS of money, but they're not fabulously wealthy, and they're terrified that their revenue streams will dry up, since the alternative would be that they'd have to go out and get real jobs.  I've heard that Marshall makes about 200K per year from his Patreon channel, and probably has other sources.  But if he lost 3/4 of his audience by coming out as, say, a sedevacantist, he would have to start draining his savings.

    You'll find that there are no wealthy sedevacantist or even Traditional Catholic (in general) grifters, because their audience is far too small to generate any kinds of serious revenue, and their audiences typically include large families who don't have a lot of spare money to support them.


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    Re: "Catholic Grifters"
    « Reply #5 on: February 16, 2024, 10:29:45 AM »
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  • The Dimonds basically invented the trad grift. And I think they're still the best at it. Part of the proof of their success is that no one really thinks of them as grifters. A grifter that everyone knows is a grifter isn't a very good grifter. The key to a successful grift is to pass it off as genuine.  But if you open the hood, you'll see that they're extraordinarily skilled marketers.  
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: "Catholic Grifters"
    « Reply #6 on: February 16, 2024, 10:31:54 AM »
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  • The Dimonds basically invented the trad grift.

    Utter nonsense.  Dimonds are following their consciences (even if you don't agree with them) and they will never compromise in the interests of revenue.  They make nearly all their videos available for free, and if you do want to order printed materials or CDs, given the prices they charge, I wondered how they could even do it without taking a loss.  If you order in bulk, you can get their apologetics pamphlet for pennies ... and their intent is to spread them around to convert people.  Nor are they somehow "living large", as even Hoyle's lawsuit indicates, but more in a spirit of poverty.  They use nearly all the revenues they make to produce other stuff to put out, and aren't living some upper-middle-class lifestyles ... and they've taken vows of poverty as Benedictines.

    You may not like them, but they're not grifters by any stretch.  I think you have grifting confused with the fact that they have made very effective use of the internet to spread their message, but grifters by definition will change what they think or believe to maintain their revenue, which the Dimonds would never do.  Heck, they're spurned and despised by the vast majority of Trads, much less Novus Ordites.  If they were grifters, they'd soften their positions to appeal to a broader base, but they've done the opposite if anything.

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    Re: "Catholic Grifters"
    « Reply #7 on: February 16, 2024, 10:38:14 AM »
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  • The Dimonds basically invented the trad grift. And I think they're still the best at it. Part of the proof of their success is that no one really thinks of them as grifters. A grifter that everyone knows is a grifter isn't a very good grifter. The key to a successful grift is to pass it off as genuine.  But if you open the hood, you'll see that they're extraordinarily skilled marketers. 
    they invented the trad grift.... lol 
    Highly doubt that


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    Re: "Catholic Grifters"
    « Reply #8 on: February 16, 2024, 10:51:39 AM »
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  • I would agree with Michael Matt and Taylor Marshall.

    And I would disagree that the DB's are....too many people hate them.

    I would add that I think one of the top NON-grifters would be Louie Verrecchio.  He has done the complete opposite a number of times: change his views at the expense of his popularity/$.

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    Re: "Catholic Grifters"
    « Reply #9 on: February 16, 2024, 11:04:31 AM »
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  • Utter nonsense.  Dimonds are following their consciences (even if you don't agree with them) and they will never compromise in the interests of revenue.  They make nearly all their videos available for free, and if you do want to order printed materials or CDs, given the prices they charge, I wondered how they could even do it without taking a loss.  If you order in bulk, you can get their apologetics pamphlet for pennies ... and their intent is to spread them around to convert people.  Nor are they somehow "living large", as even Hoyle's lawsuit indicates, but more in a spirit of poverty.  They use nearly all the revenues they make to produce other stuff to put out, and aren't living some upper-middle-class lifestyles ... and they've taken vows of poverty as Benedictines.

    You may not like them, but they're not grifters by any stretch.  I think you have grifting confused with the fact that they have made very effective use of the internet to spread their message, but grifters by definition will change what they think or believe to maintain their revenue, which the Dimonds would never do.  Heck, they're spurned and despised by the vast majority of Trads, much less Novus Ordites.  If they were grifters, they'd soften their positions to appeal to a broader base, but they've done the opposite if anything.
    I agree. These comments that Dimonds some kind of scammers is bs. I recently had a discussion with someone who referred to the Dimonds as scammers and when ask for a clarification (one example), he just gave more gerneralizations. I don't agree with evertyhing, but there is no indication that they are not sincere nor do they have an agenda that is focus on profiting from the Crisis.

    If they are grifters, they are really bad at it.

    And Yes, Loue Verrechio is very good example of a NON-grifter. He has basically cut off his income (if there was ever any) twice: Novus Ordo and SSPX.

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    Re: "Catholic Grifters"
    « Reply #10 on: February 16, 2024, 12:32:20 PM »
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  • You'll find that there are no wealthy sedevacantist or even Traditional Catholic (in general) grifters, because their audience is far too small to generate any kinds of serious revenue, and their audiences typically include large families who don't have a lot of spare money to support them.
    Example: Michael Davies who lived and died an elementary school teacher. Although he was friends with the Matt family, I can imagine his reaction to a Taylor Marshall who has no day job.
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    Re: "Catholic Grifters"
    « Reply #11 on: February 16, 2024, 12:36:28 PM »
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  • If you're still on youtube, you aint telling 100 percent of the truth.

    If you tell the truth, you get axed. My opinion.

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    Re: "Catholic Grifters"
    « Reply #12 on: February 16, 2024, 12:41:23 PM »
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  • To me, Gatekeepers are different from Grifters.

    Gatekeepers may do it out of principle, where Grifters just don't want to take a controversial stand so as not to alienate a large part of their audience, and therefore impact the livelihood they make off their "apostolate" (instead of getting real jobs).

    Top (Suspected) Gatekeepers (out of principle) --
    -- Bishop Schneider
    -- Bishop Huonder
    -- possible SSPX infiltrators or compromised individuals (+Fellay and the Fellay yes-men)

    Top Grifters --
    --Michael Matt
    --Taylor Marshall

    That's a good list right there. I still believe Fellay is under the control of the Rothschilds. 

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    Re: "Catholic Grifters"
    « Reply #13 on: February 16, 2024, 12:59:03 PM »
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  • Communist sodomitic Bergolio and his  novus Ordo clergy and nuns are huge grifters.  They live high on the hog.  They are so out of touch with the working class.  They have nice gigs.  Is it true that Bergolio and buddies receives money from communist countries.  The local diocese is in cahoots with the liberal. People losing their jobs and homes while diocese has throws parties down the shore.  Then files bankruptcy.  Huge lazy grifters. 

    Love is love when you accept money to push liberal agendas. 


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    Re: "Catholic Grifters"
    « Reply #14 on: February 16, 2024, 03:35:39 PM »
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  • Is it true that Bergolio and buddies receives money from communist countries.

    We do know that Jorge received a huge payoff from Pfizer, which partly explains why he pushed the jab so aggressively, forcing all Vatican employees to get it and declaring that not getting it was a sin against charity.