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Author Topic: Will the Real Catechism of Pius X Please Stand Up?  (Read 14869 times)

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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Will the Real Catechism of Pius X Please Stand Up?
« Reply #50 on: August 13, 2019, 09:20:32 AM »
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Will the Real Catechism of Pius X Please Stand Up?
« Reply #51 on: August 13, 2019, 09:46:32 AM »
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Yes, it's hard to believe that St. Joseph was not in a state of justification.  And, in fact, I find it difficult to believe that Our Lord did not teach him about the Holy Trinity and that therefore he had explicit faith in those as well ... but no Baptism, so no heaven.
I'm making a distinction here but the reason that the OT saints couldn't get to heaven was because heaven was closed due to the need for a redeemer.  The need for Christ to die for our sins is the main reason they had to go to the "limbo of the just" and wait.  The idea of being baptized in limbo is a speculation.  The OT saints were circuŠ¼cised, so that was their version of baptism.  I'd more likely believe that they needed to receive Our Lord in the Eucharist before joining heaven (which has a connection to understanding the Trinity and it would also be a spiritual way for them to finally have the long-awaited for Redeemer, which was the basis for the entire OT Faith).  I don't believe that baptism would be needed in Limbo (though I get the argument), because it minimizes the whole OT law.  Why stop at baptism?  Was there Mass offered in Limbo?  Did they say the rosary?  ...I think you get my point. 
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Will the Real Catechism of Pius X Please Stand Up?
« Reply #52 on: August 13, 2019, 09:50:45 AM »
Struthio, if you don't believe that justification was possible in the OT, then you don't believe that the OT sacrifices could forgive sins.  But they could and did.  They were a prefigurement of the Mass and Christ's sacrifice.  It was a prefigurement of confession, when the jews had to offer sacrifices for specific sins.  Forgiveness of sins and the state of grace were certainly possible in the OT.  Trent's teachings applicable to the New Law, to the Church - not to the Old Law.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Will the Real Catechism of Pius X Please Stand Up?
« Reply #53 on: August 13, 2019, 09:54:32 AM »
Quote from: Last Tradhican on August 13, 2019, 09:20:32 AM
That looks very fishy.
I've only ever seen it that way. And imo, it makes sense since the faith is necessary for worthy reception of the sacrament. The two go hand in hand.

Which explains why those baptized in prot churches or outside the Church and without the proper intention (because they do not have the faith) are sinful.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Will the Real Catechism of Pius X Please Stand Up?
« Reply #54 on: August 13, 2019, 09:57:37 AM »
Quote from: Struthio on August 13, 2019, 09:20:27 AM
Yes, in this sense I am nobody, just like e.g. St Robert Bellarmine, who calls Fr Suarez simply Suarez when discussing his theological opinions.

My parents taught me to copy commonly used and accepted conventions.
Then you should have learned to use "Father" in front of the names of priests because that is commonly used and accepted, and respectful.
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