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Author Topic: Will the Real Catechism of Pius X Please Stand Up?  (Read 14853 times)

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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Will the Real Catechism of Pius X Please Stand Up?
« Reply #45 on: August 13, 2019, 09:13:08 AM »

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Now Trent speaks of the "instrumental cause" of justification; "the instrumental cause is the sacrament of baptism, which is the sacrament of faith, without which (faith) no man was ever justified..."
The sacrament of faith is another name for the sacrament of baptism. Who added that "(faith)" ?
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Will the Real Catechism of Pius X Please Stand Up?
« Reply #46 on: August 13, 2019, 09:15:05 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on August 13, 2019, 08:04:58 AM
Yes, it's hard to believe that St. Joseph was not in a state of justification.  And, in fact, I find it difficult to believe that Our Lord did not teach him about the Holy Trinity and that therefore he had explicit faith in those as well ... but no Baptism, so no heaven.
Yes, exactly. And also St. John the Baptist, Noah, Isaias, Moses, Judith, Abraham and on and on and on. Their justification at death was the difference between them and everyone else that perished during the flood or died during God's wrath at Sodom and Gomorrah and so on and etc.. If they were able to attain justification in Limbo, then so did every single person who died in the OT - including Judas Iscariot.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Will the Real Catechism of Pius X Please Stand Up?
« Reply #47 on: August 13, 2019, 09:17:35 AM »
Quote from: Last Tradhican on August 13, 2019, 09:13:08 AM
The sacrament of faith is another name for the sacrament of baptism. Who added that "(faith)" ?
It's what is written in the link: https://history.hanover.edu/texts/trent/trentall.html
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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Will the Real Catechism of Pius X Please Stand Up?
« Reply #48 on: August 13, 2019, 09:19:04 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on August 13, 2019, 07:30:49 AM
Fr. Feeney who opined that all the souls in Limbo were baptized after Christ descended into hell, before He Ascended into heaven. Not sure where I read it but he said it was only his opinion. Which seems to align more with Struthio's idea.
It was very easy to have everyone in Limbo of the Patriarchs baptized, and infinitely more likely than that anyone today can be justified without faith in anything Catholic, which is what 99% of false BODers believe.
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Offline Struthio

Re: Will the Real Catechism of Pius X Please Stand Up?
« Reply #49 on: August 13, 2019, 09:20:27 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on August 13, 2019, 09:04:44 AM
Quote from: Struthio on August 13, 2019, 08:07:22 AM
Nobody says "this is opposed to the opinion of Fr Suarez". All say "this is opposed to the opinion of Suarez".


FYI, you're nobody. Other priests or theologians are not "all". If your mother never taught you what proper respect is for addressing priests, I have no illusions that I'm able to.

Yes, in this sense I am nobody, just like e.g. St Robert Bellarmine, who calls Fr Suarez simply Suarez when discussing his theological opinions.

My parents taught me to copy commonly used and accepted conventions.
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