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Author Topic: Will the Real Catechism of Pius X Please Stand Up?  (Read 14902 times)

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Will the Real Catechism of Pius X Please Stand Up?
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2019, 07:30:18 AM »
I have always firmly believed that God gives each person enough grace to save their souls.
"Thanks be to God, we corresponded with the grace which He gave us! God has sufficient grace waiting for every man in the world,would he but take it! Were God to see that he would take it were it offered to him, it would be given." - Fr. Feeney



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The majority of non-Catholics have heard of the Catholic Church but for various and sundry reasons don't look into it seriously, choose not to join etc... They make their choices.
"Before man is life and death, good and evil, that which he shall choose shall be given him" Eccl. 15:15

"...Among all the mysteries that we live amongst, is that of the fact that God saves those whom He wills. And yet those who are lost are lost because they will. No one is saved against his will and no one is damned against his will. At the same time almighty God has known from all eternity who would be His whom he would succeed in saving..." - Fr. Wathen (The Little Flower and other saints have said the same thing)



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So now the question is do they save their souls through implicit baptism of desire or does Providence always send a way for them to have at least explicit baptism of desire, if not water baptism.
"There is no one about to die in the state of justification whom God cannot secure Baptism for, and indeed, Baptism of Water. The schemes concerning salvation, I leave to the skeptics. The clear truths of salvation, I am preaching to you". - Fr. Feeney


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Other than trusting God's perfect justice and mercy 100%, I don't know what to think. It's seems like deep down it depends on whether you believe a) God gives to each enough grace to save or damn their souls, or, b) God gives some enough grace to either save or damn their souls and to others He gives just enough not to damn themselves but not enough to save themselves. Where you stand on that is going to dictate where you stand on implicit baptism of desire.
Trusting in God's perfect justice and mercy is what is known as having faith in God.

We are bound to keep Holy the Sabbath by Divine Law. We are bound to go to Mass on Sundays and Holy Days by the Church Law. But this is conditional because if the Church does not provide the Mass for us, then we are not bound to go.

When it comes to being baptized, it is only through our faith in God that we believe that since God explicitly mandated the sacrament, there is not even any question or doubt that He will God will certainly provide it to all who sincerely desire it! Why do we believe that? Because God said: "For every one that asketh, receiveth: and he that seeketh, findeth: and to him that knocketh, it shall be opened".  - John 7:8

Commentary for this verse:

Whatever we ask necessary to salvation with humility, fervour, perseverance, and other due circuмstances, we may be assured God will grant when it is best for us. If we do not obtain what we pray for, we must suppose it is not conducive to our salvation, in comparison of which all else is of little moment. (Haydock)

To promote a BOD is to deny God's Providence.  

I believe that everyone who is as zealous as Sean is in promoting a BOD would be just as zealous in promoting the Divine Providence, they would soon find that a BOD is an insult to the Divine Providence.  



Re: Will the Real Catechism of Pius X Please Stand Up?
« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2019, 07:51:19 AM »
"There is no one about to die in the state of justification whom God cannot secure Baptism for, and indeed, Baptism of Water. The schemes concerning salvation, I leave to the skeptics. The clear truths of salvation, I am preaching to you". - Fr. Feeney


"Of this Justification the causes are these: [...] the instrumental cause is the sacrament of baptism" (Council of Trent)


Obviously, there is noone who dies in the state of justification and has not received the sacrament of baptism.

Fr. Feeney teaches justification without the sacrament of baptism, contradicting the true faith. Fr. Feeney does not preach the "clear truths of salvation".


Offline Stubborn

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Re: Will the Real Catechism of Pius X Please Stand Up?
« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2019, 08:08:57 AM »

"Of this Justification the causes are these: [...] the instrumental cause is the sacrament of baptism" (Council of Trent)


Obviously, there is noone who dies in the state of justification and has not received the sacrament of baptism.

Fr. Feeney teaches justification without the sacrament of baptism, contradicting the true faith. Fr. Feeney does not preach the "clear truths of salvation".
Three words: Old Testament Saints. / One Scripture: Luke 18:14 / Justification is not salvation.


Re: Will the Real Catechism of Pius X Please Stand Up?
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2019, 09:11:10 AM »
Three words: Old Testament Saints. / One Scripture: Luke 18:14 / Justification is not salvation.

"Old Testament Saints" is a misnomer. They all went to hell when they died. The limbo is part of hell. Saints go to purgatory or to heaven when they die.


Noone of the Old Testament was justified when he died. Feeney should have read the first Chapter of the Decree on Justification of the Council of Trent:

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On the Inability of Nature and of the Law to justify man.

[...] they were so far the servants of sin, and under the power of the devil and of death, that not the Gentiles only by the force of nature, but not even the Jews by the very letter itself of the law of Moses, were able to be liberated, or to arise, therefrom; [...]


There was no justification before Our Lord died on the Cross.


Feeney ignored the truth taught by the infallible magisterium of the Church. Wouldn't he have had reason enough to take a close look at the true teaching of the Church?

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Will the Real Catechism of Pius X Please Stand Up?
« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2019, 09:20:40 AM »
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"Old Testament Saints" is a misnomer. They all went to hell when they died. The limbo is part of hell. Saints go to purgatory or to heaven when they die.

"Limbo of the Just".  Look it up.