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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Will the Real Catechism of Pius X Please Stand Up?
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2019, 06:58:55 PM »
Pope St Pius X's "Oath Against Modernism" of 1910
Fifthly, I hold with certainty and sincerely confess that faith is not a blind sentiment of religion welling up from the depths of the subconscious under the impulse of the heart and the motion of a will trained to morality; but faith is a genuine assent of the intellect to truth received by hearing from an external source.
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A missionary, a book or a preacher - these would be good examples of external sources.  God uses human means for conversions, since we are human creatures.  Therefore the supernatural grace of Faith, cannot come from an internal grace, but has a cause which is external.
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Offline Incredulous

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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2019, 12:13:06 AM »



The thought of a "doctored" St. Pius X catechism has crossed my mind too.

Because Bp. Fellay uses the Catechism of St. Pope Pius X as his source to defend the SSPX's endorsement of four baptisms.

The SSPX preaches three Baptisms and goes the extra mile to endorse the heresy of implicit Baptism, otherwise known as Universal Salvation or Karl "Rhanerism".



On page 74 of +ABL's book "Open Letter to Confused Catholics"., it reads: 

"The doctrine of the Church also recognizes implicit baptism of desire. This consists in doing the will of God. God knows all men and He knows amongst Protestants, Muslim, Buddhists and in the whole of humanity there are men of good will. They receive the grace of baptism without knowing it, but in an effective way. In this they become part of the Church".







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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Will the Real Catechism of Pius X Please Stand Up?
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2019, 07:26:20 AM »
Yes, the "in the path of salvation" language is crucial and completely missed/ignored by the BoDers.  It's consistent with the teaching of Pius IX on the matter, that they are on a trajectory towards salvation and will, if they stay on that path, be given the necessary grace and enlightenment in order to be saved.  "In/on the path" means that they are on the way, but not there yet, that they have not arrived at their destination.  So this language was used deliberately.
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Offline MarylandTrad

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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2019, 12:30:54 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on August 11, 2019, 07:26:20 AM
Yes, the "in the path of salvation" language is crucial and completely missed/ignored by the BoDers.  It's consistent with the teaching of Pius IX on the matter, that they are on a trajectory towards salvation and will, if they stay on that path, be given the necessary grace and enlightenment in order to be saved.  "In/on the path" means that they are on the way, but not there yet, that they have not arrived at their destination.  So this language was used deliberately.

St. Augustine and other great theologians applied St. John 10:16 to this very issue, emphasizing that Our Lord must bring the non-Catholics into the Church because they cannot be saved as they are.

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And other sheep I have, that are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd.

Notice how Our Lord speaks, indicating that it is He Himself who must bring these non-Catholics into the Church. The reason why the Church doesn't allow anyone to baptize himself with water is to teach us that we cannot merit the grace of joining the Church. We are to recognize that we are dependent on God to provide a minister for us. Even in cases of emergency, a person is not allowed to baptize himself; the Church would rather have a Jew or a Muslim be the one who baptizes, provided he have the right intention, than permit a man to baptize himself.

It is a DOGMA of the faith that no man can merit the initial grace of justification. The apostles of "implicit baptism of desire" do not understand any of this. They write as if it is a matter of sheer effort for a non-Catholic to join the Church. It is very difficult, they say, because observing the natural law is hard for fallen man, but some can do it, and if they do observe it, then they will somehow baptize themselves implicitly, and become invisible members of the Church. The very reason God does not allow any man to baptize himself with water is to prevent this Pelagian nonsense.

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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Will the Real Catechism of Pius X Please Stand Up?
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2019, 02:34:03 PM »
Quote from: Incredulous on August 11, 2019, 12:13:06 AM
On page 74 of +ABL's book "Open Letter to Confused Catholics"., it reads:

"The doctrine of the Church also recognizes implicit baptism of desire. This consists in doing the will of God. God knows all men and He knows amongst Protestants, Muslim, Buddhists and in the whole of humanity there are men of good will. They receive the grace of baptism without knowing it, but in an effective way. In this they become part of the Church".

Actually, Abp. L does not even know the subject which he is attempting to teach in that quote. What he describes there is only implicit baptism of desire for a non-baptized Protestant (see*), while for the "Muslim, Buddhists and in the whole of humanity" what he is talking about is the theory of  Implicit Faith, the novel belief that Muslim, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, (and he even goes on the say the whole of humanity, which I had never heard him say before, meaning, everybody, no matter whether they practice a religion or not!!!)   can be saved EVEN if they do not desire to be baptized, nor desire to be Catholic, nor believe in Jesus Christ or the Holy Trinity. This is really wacked out!

When priests say things like that, it reminds me of the saying, "In the country of blind men, the one eyed man is a king", in other words, because Abp. L is surrounded by laity that know nothing, he can say anything and no one ever challenges him. He is a one eyed man living among the blind, therefore, he is like a a prophet, a guru, a king, when he knows nothing.

* Most Protestants are validly baptized so Abp. L is even wrong there, since a baptized Protestant can't be saved by baptism of desire, but he does not care, he says very clearly that "the whole of humanity".
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