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Offline Donato

Will be interested to hear thoughts on this new BOD/BOB book
« on: November 09, 2018, 01:16:38 AM »
https://novusordowatch.org/2018/11/contra-crawford-baptism-of-desire-blood/

I am going to order this and I look forward to reading it 
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Will be interested to hear thoughts on this new BOD/BOB book
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2018, 07:58:03 AM »
Two straw man arguments immediately discredit them on their introductory page.

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the first major figure to hold that those who die with the baptism of desire or blood will nevertheless go to hell was the Jesuit Fr. Leonard Feeney

Father Feeney never said that those who die in a state of justification through BoD go to hell.

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Another error promoted by the Rev. Crawford (one that is likewise shared by some other sedevacantists and non-sedevacantists) is the idea that periodic continence (aka the rhythm method) among married couples is intrinsically evil and therefore never permitted.

Nobody says it's "intrinsically evil" ... but it's evil due to formal motive.  Also a false link between having to be intrinsically evil in order to be "never permitted".  Murder, for instance, is never permitted, even though taking a human life is not intrinsically evil.  It's based on the formal motive.

So, in a word, this is just more garbage from the usual suspects (the sedevacantists) a couple of ignoramuses who think they're theologians (lots of sedevantists think that their armchair theology suffices to depose popes).
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Will be interested to hear thoughts on this new BOD/BOB book
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2018, 08:04:48 AM »
And this below exposes why the sedes are so dogmatic about BoD and NFP ... their false exaggerated view of infallibility.  They consider a long-winded speech about various "theories" delivered by Pacelli to a group of midwives to have the same force as a solemn dogmatic definition.  They consider the speculations of some modern theologians to be tantamount to a solemn anathema issued by an Ecuмenical Council.

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What makes Contra Crawford particularly powerful is that at the outset it provides an overview of how the Church teaches the faithful, what Catholics have an obligation to accept, and what infallibility is and when it enters into the picture. This is crucial to understand because the Feeneyite error begins as an error in method, one that tragically distorts how the Church was commissioned by Christ to teach her children.
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Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2018, 08:05:28 AM »
Ironically, these sedes have the same ecclesiology and soteriology as the Vatican II modernists they denounce as heretics for teaching the exact same things that they themselves hold.
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Re: Will be interested to hear thoughts on this new BOD/BOB book
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2018, 08:07:28 AM »
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The authors also make clear that the licit practice of periodic continence is not the same thing as the common Novus Ordo practice of “Natural Family Planning”, which they point out “is in violent contradiction to Pope Pius XII’s guidelines”

:laugh1:  :facepalm:

... they're absolutely the same thing, in principle.
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