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Why so many Feeneyites on Cathinfo?
« on: October 31, 2017, 05:34:56 PM »
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  • Does anyone know why there is such an explosion of Feeneyism in the traditional world in general? Most Catholics understand the unorthodox nature of this position, however I suspect that many people new to tradition are gullible and susceptible to being scammed. I wonder how many of these people may have fallen for a fake email Nigerian money scam?

    Everyone knows that there is only *one* sacrament of baptism and this is performed by using natural water, as the matter and saying the form; “I baptise thee, in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost”.

    As has been taught by the Ordinary and Universe Magisterium of the Church throughout the ages and more clearly defined by the Council of Trent, the grace of the sacrament can be supplied by a desire for the sacrament combined with perfect contrition, if one were to die before he receives the actual sacrament. Obviously this an extremely rare occurrence, but it is best exemplified by the case of Saint Emerentiana who is venerated as a Catholic saint, but never received the actual sacrament of baptism.

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    Re: Why so many Feeneyites on Cathinfo?
    « Reply #1 on: October 31, 2017, 05:38:02 PM »
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  • There is No Such Thing as 'Feeneyism'... :fryingpan:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    Re: Why so many Feeneyites on Cathinfo?
    « Reply #2 on: October 31, 2017, 05:42:13 PM »
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  • There is No Such Thing as 'Feeneyism'... :fryingpan:
    Obviously, it’s the common name used to identify those who deny what I stated in the OP.

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    Re: Why so many Feeneyites on Cathinfo?
    « Reply #3 on: October 31, 2017, 05:44:01 PM »
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  • Does anyone know why there is such an explosion of Feeneyism not only on Cathinfo, but in the traditional world in general? Most Catholics understand the unorthodox nature of this position, however I suspect that many people new to tradition are gullible and susceptible to being scammed. I wonder how many of these people may have fallen for a fake email Nigerian money scam?

    Everyone knows that there is only *one* sacrament of baptism and this is performed by using natural water, as the matter and saying the form; “I baptise thee, in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost”.

    As has been taught by the Ordinary and Universe Magisterium of the Church throughout the ages and more clearly defined by the Council of Trent, the grace of the sacrament can be supplied by a desire for the sacrament combined with perfect contrition, if one were to die before he receives the actual sacrament. Obviously this an extremely rare occurrence, but it is best exemplified by the case of Saint Emerentiana who is venerated as a Catholic saint, but never received the actual sacrament of baptism.
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    Who told you that this "Feeneyism" to which you refer is "unorthodox?"
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    BTW can you define what you call "Feeneyism?"
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    Re: Why so many Feeneyites on Cathinfo?
    « Reply #4 on: October 31, 2017, 05:47:47 PM »
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    Who told you that this "Feeneyism" to which you refer is "unorthodox?"
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    BTW can you define what you call "Feeneyism?"
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    Did you have trouble understanding the OP? 


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    Re: Why so many Feeneyites on Cathinfo?
    « Reply #5 on: October 31, 2017, 05:49:55 PM »
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  • Disingenuous, which increasingly seems characteristic of this particular OP and his lot.
    I don’t think you really know what disingenuous means.

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    Re: Why so many Feeneyites on Cathinfo?
    « Reply #6 on: October 31, 2017, 05:54:06 PM »
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  • Obviously, it’s the common name used to identify those who deny what I stated in the OP.
    It is not obvious to moi.
    Any piece of paper( like the piece of paper claiming that Card Rampolla was 'secret occult mason & GM of the OTO') saying that Fr Feeney was called to Rome or ex-communicated for failing to comply, is a FRAUD.... :sleep:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    Re: Why so many Feeneyites on Cathinfo?
    « Reply #7 on: October 31, 2017, 06:04:33 PM »
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  • Did you have trouble understanding the OP?
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    Were I to take the OP at face value, it appears you are under the firm impression that this so-called Feneyism to which you refer is somehow defined by a doctrinal denial of so-called baptism of desire. In other words, you want another 200 pages of the same old, same old.
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    Is that true?
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    ETA you want reams of pages again, without ever getting to the real crux of the matter, which is "What IS the Catholic Faith all about?"
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    Re: Why so many Feeneyites on Cathinfo?
    « Reply #8 on: October 31, 2017, 06:21:13 PM »
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    For example, are you aware there are 3 Creeds of the Catholic Church?  (For example, as it were, Credo I, Credo II and Credo III.)
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    Apostles' Creed (we use that with our Rosary every day -- that is, we should.)
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    Nicene Creed (from the Council of Nicaea and amended with the Filioque clause -- you don't deny the Catholicity of Filioque, do you??)

    And finally, it's your turn to fill in the blank. And the answer is not the Creed of the Council of Trent, or of Pope Paul IV, etc.
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    BTW the Latin word Credo translated to English is "I believe," not "We believe." The latter would be Credamus.
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    I say that because if you go to a local Novus Ordo parish you'll hear them say "We believe" in many cases. Roger Cardfile Mahony started that.
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    If you're worried about it, the point is, what is necessary first of all to believe if one would attain to salvation from hell?
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    Re: Why so many Feeneyites on Cathinfo?
    « Reply #9 on: October 31, 2017, 06:33:02 PM »
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    For example, are you aware there are 3 Creeds of the Catholic Church?  (For example, as it were, Credo I, Credo II and Credo III.)
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    Apostles' Creed (we use that with our Rosary every day -- that is, we should.)
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    Nicene Creed (from the Council of Nicaea and amended with the Filioque clause -- you don't deny the Catholicity of Filioque, do you??)
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    And finally, it's your turn to fill in the blank. And the answer is not the Creed of the Council of Trent, or of Pope Paul IV, etc.
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    BTW the Latin word Credo translated to English is "I believe," not "We believe." The latter would be Credamus.
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    I say that because if you go to a local Novus Ordo parish you'll hear them say "We believe" in many cases. Roger Cardfile Mahony started that.
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    If you're worried about it, the point is, what is necessary first of all to believe if one would attain to salvation from hell?
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    What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? Just to humor you, it’s the Athanasian Creed that I believe you are asking for. 

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    Re: Why so many Feeneyites on Cathinfo?
    « Reply #10 on: October 31, 2017, 06:36:20 PM »
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  • If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"


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    Re: Why so many Feeneyites on Cathinfo?
    « Reply #11 on: October 31, 2017, 06:40:33 PM »
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  • What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? Just to humor you, it’s the Athanasian Creed that I believe you are asking for. 
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    Thank you. I was asking exactly for the Athanasian Creed.
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    Do you know how it answers the question I posed? What is the first thing a human being needs to avoid hell forever?
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    BTW it seems to me avoiding hell forever is more relevant than Chinese tea prices, but I'll leave you to speak for yourself.
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    Re: Why so many Feeneyites on Cathinfo?
    « Reply #12 on: October 31, 2017, 06:49:57 PM »
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    Thank you. I was asking exactly for the Athanasian Creed.
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    Do you know how it answers the question I posed? What is the first thing a human being needs to avoid hell forever?
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    BTW it seems to me avoiding hell forever is more relevant than Chinese tea prices, but I'll leave you to speak for yourself.
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    The system added a second quote box and locked me out of modifying it, above.
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    Re: Why so many Feeneyites on Cathinfo?
    « Reply #13 on: October 31, 2017, 06:51:08 PM »
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    Thank you. I was asking exactly for the Athanasian Creed.
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    Do you know how it answers the question I posed? What is the first thing a human being needs to avoid hell forever?
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    BTW it seems to me avoiding hell forever is more relevant than Chinese tea prices, but I'll leave you to speak for yourself.
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    For a child, before they reach the age of reason, they absolutely need to be baptized. For an adult it is the Catholic Faith.

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    Re: Why so many Feeneyites on Cathinfo?
    « Reply #14 on: October 31, 2017, 07:05:05 PM »
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  • For a child, before they reach the age of reason, they absolutely need to be baptized. For an adult it is the Catholic Faith.
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    Very good. And what does an adult need to believe in order to possess the Catholic Faith?
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