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Re: Why Feeneyites Hate Catholic Teaching
« Reply #175 on: August 25, 2017, 01:16:38 PM »
see, e.g., "Leading Question", or just catch a "Matlock" rerun.
Nope.  Can't deny you use them do defend what you prefer to believe and be-little them when they don't.  Like a protestant with a bible.   :cheers:

Re: Why Feeneyites Hate Catholic Teaching
« Reply #176 on: August 25, 2017, 01:29:03 PM »
Nope.  Can't deny you use them do defend what you prefer to believe and be-little them when they don't.  Like a protestant with a bible.   :cheers:
"This is the weather the cuckoo likes, a gambling birdhouse velocity." :fryingpan:


Re: Why Feeneyites Hate Catholic Teaching
« Reply #177 on: August 25, 2017, 01:30:37 PM »
"This is the weather the cuckoo likes, a gambling birdhouse velocity." :fryingpan:
Can't deny the accusation.   :cheers:

Re: Why Feeneyites Hate Catholic Teaching
« Reply #178 on: August 25, 2017, 02:26:52 PM »
From John Daly:

The Fourth Lateran Council (1215) declared in its definition “Firmiter” that:
 
There is one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which no one at all
can be saved .... (Denzinger 430)
 
Pope Boniface VIII in his bull Unam Sanctam (1302) declares:
 
At the instance of faith, we are bound to believe and hold the one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, and her we do firmly believe and simply confess, outside of which there is neither salvation nor remission of sins .... Hence we declare, say, define and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature that he be subject to the Roman Pontiff. (Denzinger 468, 469)
 
In its decree Cantate Domino for the Jacobites, the Council of Florence (1439) pronounced as follows:
 
The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those who are outside the Catholic Church – not only pagans, but also Jews or heretics and schismatics – can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with her; and that so important is the unity of the ecclesiastical body that only those
remaining in her can profit unto salvation by the Sacraments of the Church, and that they alone will receive eternal rewards for their fasting and almsgiving, their works of piety and exercises of Christian soldiery; and that no one, no matter how great his almsgiving, and even if he shed his blood for the name of Christ, can be saved unless he remain within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.
 
(iv) In its decree on Original Sin (17th June 1536), the Council of Trent referred, in its opening words, to
 
…our Catholic Faith, without which it is impossible to please God.  (Denzinger 789)
 
– an authoritative interpretation of St. Paul’s affirmation that “without faith it is impossible to please God.” (Hebrews 11:6)
 
(v) In his encyclical Mirari Vos of 1832, Pope Gregory XVI wrote the following:
 
We are now proceeding against another exceedingly fertile cause of the evils by which we grieve to see the Church afflicted at present, namely indifferentism: i.e. that perverse opinion, which is everywhere gaining ground thanks to the wiles of evil men, according to which the eternal salvation of the soul can be obtained by the profession of any faith provided that the norm of upright and decent morals be observed ....(Denzinger 1613)
 
(vi) In his encyclical Quanto Conficiamur (1863), Pope Pius IX speaksas follows:
 
But here ... it is necessary once more to mention and reprehend a most grave error by which some Catholics are wretchedly deluded – namely, those who think that men living in errors and as strangers to the true Faith and Catholic unity can arrive at eternal life. Nothing indeed could be more opposed to Catholic doctrine. (Denzinger 1677)
 
(vii) The same pontiff in his Syllabus of Errors (1864) condemned the proposition that “men in any religion can find the path of, and arrive at, eternal salvation.” (Denzinger 1716)
 
(viii) And the following protest is taken from Pope Pius XII’s encyclical Humani Generis (1950):
 
Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation.
 
These statements of the Magisterium could be supplemented by many others, as well as by the unanimous voice of Holy Scripture, the Fathers, the Doctors and the saints. The doctrine thus taught, without the smallest degree of equivocation or ambiguity, is:
 
(a) that it is absolutely impossible to be saved, to have one’s sins forgiven, or even to please God at all, except when united by faith to the unity of the Catholic Church and in submission to the legitimate Roman Pontiff; and
 
(b) that this doctrine is so firm and universal that it admits of not even a single exception – not even in the case of those who lay down their lives for Christ in a “Christian” sect.
Readers are unlikely to disagree with the above summary of the doctrine of the Magisterium on this point; for the wording of the texts is sufficient to dispel all doubt for anyone who is prepared to accept them at face value without attempting to force upon them a quite unnatural “interpretation” – or rather falsification – in order to make them accord better with what seems appropriate to him or with what he has learnt from some second-rate catechism or explanation of Catholic doctrine put together by a popularizing author rather than by a theologian of real status and merit.18 However it must also be made clear that these texts of the Magisterium do not represent the complete picture, in that a subtle theological distinction must be made before it is possible to attain a thorough understanding of how the conditions necessary for salvation may be fulfilled in practice even in exceptional situations.
 
Three Quite Recent Statements of the Magisterium
 
There have been three texts of the Magisterium19 which, without contradicting the other texts, or restricting the universality of their application, or even modifying their natural meaning in the slightest degree, have nevertheless gone further than them, in broaching two subjects not expressly addressed in those earlier decrees:
 
 (a) the reconciliation, in a manner consonant with the perfect justice of God, of the dogma that there is no salvation outside the Church with the existence of men who are invincibly and therefore inculpably ignorant of the existence of this Church, and/or
of the obligation of joining her; and
 
(b) the exact borderline between those who are considered to be inside the Church, and those who are considered to be outside her, according to the terms of the dogma.
 
Long before the Magisterium had addressed these topics, some theological writers who had taken it upon themselves to address them and had reached conclusions concerning them that were simply incompatible with the dogmatic teaching of the Church already quoted.
 
It was to correct such errors – many of them actually heretical – that the Magisterium intervened and pointed out the correct limits of orthodoxy on these questions; but, alas!, these very interventions, whether because they were studied only superficially or because they were consciously distorted, were seized on by the liberals, the minimizers,
the indifferentists, as confirmations of the very errors they had set out to correct! Although no excuse can be made to exonerate those who thus abused the teaching of the Church, it must certainly be admitted that these statements of the Magisterium contain delicate theological nuances, and that to be properly understood they must be
read attentively and thoughtfully, preferably with the assistance of some trustworthy theological work specifically considering this topic.
 
The first of these pronouncements is Pope Pius IX’s allocution Singulari Quadam, delivered on 9th December 1854, of which I shall quote, and then analyse, the relevant section:
 
Not without sorrow have we learnt that another error, no less lethal [than the rationalistic error he has been condemning in the previous paragraphs], has taken possession of some parts of the Catholic world and lodged itself in the minds of many Catholics who think there to be good hope for the eternal salvation of all those who are by no means within the true Church of Christ [‘qui in vera Christi Ecclesia nequaquam versantur’]. For this reason they constantly wonder about the fate and condition after death of those who were not attached [‘addicti’] to the Catholic Faith, and, convinced by arguments of not the slightest force, they await a response from us in favour of this perverse notion. ( ...) As our Apostolic office requires, we wish your episcopal solicitude and vigilance to be aroused so that, as far as you can, you may drive out of men’s minds this opinion, no less impious than deadly, that the path of eternal salvation can be found in any religion. Use all the skill and learning at your disposal to show to the people committed to your care that these dogmas of the Catholic Faith are by no means opposed to the Divine mercy and justice.
 
It must be held by faith that no one can be saved outside the Apostolic Roman Church, that this Church is the sole ark of salvation, and that whosoever does not enter her shall perish in the flood; but it must also be held as certain that those who are ignorant of the true religion, if their
ignorance be invincible, are subject to no guilt on this account in the eyes of the Lord. But who would claim the ability to designate the limits of such ignorance in accordance with the nature and variety of peoples, religions, characters and of so many other things? (Denzinger 1646-7)
 

Such are the words of Pope Pius IX on the topic we are examining, words which, according to Mgr. Joseph C. Fenton, “have all too frequently been misinterpreted by Catholic writers who have examined them superficially.” (The Catholic Church and Salvation, p. 42)

Re: Why Feeneyites Hate Catholic Teaching
« Reply #179 on: August 25, 2017, 04:18:38 PM »
@Lover of Richard Cushing

Like i said before "baptism" of desire/blood is a man made doctrine and was never taught by the Church. Some saints taught it and they all contradicted each other. Some specifically taught desire others blood. 


Pope Pius XII, Humani generis (# 21), Aug. 12, 1950: "This deposit of faith our Divine Redeemer has given for authentic interpretation not to each of the faithful, not even to theologians, but only to the Teaching Authority of the Church.'"


But NONE of them taught it like the diabolical modernists preach it today, which according to them can be applied to ANYONE. Virtually all who believe in desire/blood also believe in invincible ignorance. Instead of actually trying to convert people to the one true Faith in this time of supreme darkness and promoting the flawless work of MHFM. These dunces are dedicated specifically to promote desire/blood and invincible ignorance. 

Council of Trent obliterates desire simply by saying:

Pope Paul III, The Council of Trent, Can. 2 on the Sacrament of Baptism, Sess. 7, 1547, Ex Cathedra:  "If anyone shall say that real and natural water is not necessary for baptism, and on that account those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ: 'Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost' [John 3:5], are distorted into some sort of metaphor: let him be anathema."

Pope Paul III, The Council of Trent, Can. 5 on the Sacrament of Baptism, Sess. 7, 1547, Ex Cathedra: "If anyone says that baptism [the sacrament] is optional, that is, not necessary for salvation (cf. Jn. 3:5): let him be anathema."

The passage that lovers of Cushing bring up where Trent mentions desire is simply referring to adult justification.

Catholics during these times were 'baptizing' Jews by force! Invalid. 

That's why Trent mentions desire. Same reason that Florence mentions the words of consecration is because during the time of Florence some priests weren't saying the right words! St.Bernardino calling their Masses 'Masses of ignorance'.

Same way the lovers of Cushing twist Trent is the same way that the puffed up with diabolical pride schismatic Greeks twist Constantinople I and say that it never mentions the Filioque. 

How can the Church anathematize someone for saying Baptism is optional, then go and 'teach' desire? This is why Lovers of Cushing ALWAYS contradict themselves. Here is a perfect example from Brother Peter's book:

Another example would be the famous book, The Catechism Explained, by Fr. Spirago and Fr. Clarke.  Like Dr. Ott’s book, The Catechism Explained taught baptism of desire and that there is salvation “outside” the Church. Yet despite this fact, these "theologians" (Frs. Spirago and Clarke) were compelled to admit the following truth, which is confessed universally by all purported Catholic theologians.
 
Fr. Francis Spirago and Fr. Richard Clarke, The Catechism Explained, 1899, Baptism: "3.  BAPTISM IS INDISPENSABLY NECESSARY TO SALVATION. Hence children who die unbaptized cannot enter heaven. Our Lord says: 'Unless a man be born again of water and of the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven' (John 3:5). He makes no exception, not even in the case of infants... Baptism is no less indispensable in the spiritual order than water in the natural order..." 

This shows, again, how the universal teaching of theologians is that baptism of water is absolutely necessary for salvation, and that Our Lord’s words in John 3:5 have no exceptions. The fact that Frs. Spirago and Clarke proceed to contradict this statement and teach baptism of desire (and the heresy of salvation "outside" the Church) just shows their own inconsistency – and the inconsistency of all who favor baptism of desire.
 
Fr. Francis Spirago and Fr. Richard Clarke, The Catechism Explained, 1899, Baptism: "... for adults the simple desire is sufficient, if actual baptism is impossible."

 How can water baptism be indispensably necessary for salvation (as they just told us), if the simple desire for it is sufficient in its place?  That is a direct contradiction. And anyone who says that it is not simply denies the law of non-contradiction.  One cannot say that:
 
Water Baptism is indispensably necessary for salvation
 
And at the same time....
 
Water Baptism is not indispensably necessary for salvation (desire can replace it)
 
   These two statements are contradictory, but this is exactly what people were being taught all over the world in catechisms since the late 1800’s. They were being taught the truth (1st proposition), while simultaneously they were taught the opposite of that truth (2nd proposition). This shows that even in the time of growing apostasy, heresy and modernism that was the period from approximately 1850 to 1950, all theologians and catechisms still affirmed the universally taught truth on the absolute necessity of water baptism for salvation, even though they did not remain consistent with it.

The miraculous baptisms throughout history also annihilate desire/blood.

Michael Malone who was a member of the Harlot of Babylon [The modern day 'Church' in Rome and the prophesied end times counter-church] says:

"The Fathers of the Church, therefore, taken as a whole, can only be said to have verified definitively the official and authentic teaching of the one true Church that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be baptized in the water of the actual sacrament instituted by Our Lord Jesus Christ.  On the other hand, it is intellectually dishonest to suggest otherwise.  And to exalt the personal theological opinions of a handful – even an impressive and well-known handful – to the rank of ecclesiastical Tradition or even magisterial infallibility is not only an exercise in sophomoric legerdemain [verbal sleight of hand], but also a brand of facile short-sightedness unconscionable in any serious study of Patristic Theology." [Michael Malone, The Only-Begotten, p. 404.]

What Spirago and Clarke said regarding Baptism being impossible was condemned by Trent!


Pope Paul III, Council of Trent, Session 6, Chap. 11 on Justification, Ex Cathedra: "... no one should make use of that rash statement forbidden under anathema by the Fathers, that the commandments of God are impossible to observe for a man who is justified. ‘FOR GOD DOES NOT COMMAND IMPOSSIBILITIES, but by commanding admonishes you both to do what you can do, and to pray for what you cannot do..." 

Catechism of the Council of Trent, On Baptism, Tan Books, p. 171: "Holy writers are unanimous in saying that after the Resurrection of our Lord, when He gave to His Apostles the command to go and teach all nations: baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, the law of Baptism became obligatory on all who were to be saved."

As proven above, God commanded all men to be baptized. The supporters of the theory of baptism of desire argue that for some people the command to be baptized is impossible to fulfill.

True Catholics actually try to convert and baptize non-Catholics. Lovers of Cushing [SSPX, CMRI, SSPV etc] are hellbent on promoting desire/blood and invincible ignorance and trying to exalt fallible statements to the levels of the Magisterium and make exceptions to Dogmas!