Author Topic: Who is Brother Nathanael? (Read 29577 times)

Marcelino · « **Reply #30 on:** June 05, 2012, 08:17:34 PM »

The background of ROCOR is fascinating! It was formed in response to the bolshevik takeover of russia, in 1917. In 2007, only 90 years later,

"The Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia officially signed the Act of Canonical Communion with the Moscow Patriarchate on May 17, 2007 restoring the canonical link between the churches. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Church_Outside_Russia

Sigismund · « **Reply #31 on:** June 05, 2012, 08:43:37 PM »

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It does mean that. It can also apply to an religious order or church. The Melkite Catholic Church is a canonical Catholic Church because it is in communion with the Universal Church and the See of Peter. The Order of Friars Minor is a canonical religious order because their constitutions have been approved by legitimate Catholic authority. Since they are an order of pontifical right, they are approved by the Holy See. (An order of diocesan right would be approved by an diocesan bishop.)

The SSPX In not canonical in the sense that it is not approved by either the Pope or a diocesan bishop. They are irregular. Becoming a regular, canonical society is what Bishop Fellay is seeking.

I should acknowledge that my son, who is a Byzantine rite priest, tells me I have overplayed my hand in equating the Orthodox and Catholic idea of canonicity. "In Orthodoxy," he assures me, "Canonical is always what WE are. Uncanonical is what THEY are."

So, do you disagree with his videos?

Yes. Profoundly.

Sigismund · « **Reply #32 on:** June 05, 2012, 08:50:39 PM »

Quote from: Marcelino

Actually I recently wrote to Brother Kapner and asked him about his status. He referred me to his Bishop, His Grace Jerome of The Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (ROCOR). So, I did. He said that Brother Kapner is indeed an Orthodox Christian and while he is not a full monk, he is a novice, which makes him a monastic.

The bishop made some additional comments about the "context" of Brother Kapner's comments, which I think may have a lot to do with Brother Kapner's "style." I thought those comments were interesting, but not in any way condemning of Brother Kapner.

God Bless

That is interesting. There is a Bishop Jerome listed as the vicar bishop of the Diocese of Eastern America on the ROCOR website. As nearly as I can figure, a vicar bishop is an auxiliary. Archpriest Serge, whom I contacted for the ROCOR perspective, is the media representative for the same diocese. I am not sure what to think now. If he is a ROCOR monastic, even a novice, he dresses like no eastern monk I have ever seen, Byzantine or Orthodox.

Sigismund · « **Reply #33 on:** June 05, 2012, 08:51:56 PM »

Quote from: Marcelino

The background of ROCOR is fascinating! It was formed in response to the bolshevik takeover of russia, in 1917. In 2007, only 90 years later,

"The Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia officially signed the Act of Canonical Communion with the Moscow Patriarchate on May 17, 2007 restoring the canonical link between the churches. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Church_Outside_Russia

It is fascinating. I wish some one would write a book about it, one that included everything leading up to the restoration of ecclesiastical communion with the Russian Patriarchate.

Marcelino · « **Reply #34 on:** June 06, 2012, 04:22:28 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Quote from: Marcelino
Quote from: Sigismund
It does mean that. It can also apply to an religious order or church. The Melkite Catholic Church is a canonical Catholic Church because it is in communion with the Universal Church and the See of Peter. The Order of Friars Minor is a canonical religious order because their constitutions have been approved by legitimate Catholic authority. Since they are an order of pontifical right, they are approved by the Holy See. (An order of diocesan right would be approved by an diocesan bishop.)

The SSPX In not canonical in the sense that it is not approved by either the Pope or a diocesan bishop. They are irregular. Becoming a regular, canonical society is what Bishop Fellay is seeking.

I should acknowledge that my son, who is a Byzantine rite priest, tells me I have overplayed my hand in equating the Orthodox and Catholic idea of canonicity. "In Orthodoxy," he assures me, "Canonical is always what WE are. Uncanonical is what THEY are."

So, do you disagree with his videos?

Yes. Profoundly.

What do you disagree with?

Sigismund · « **Reply #35 on:** June 06, 2012, 06:46:00 PM »

I disagree with what I see as virulent antisemitism that has crossed over into paranoia.

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #36 on:** June 06, 2012, 06:59:30 PM »

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He is not Orthodox. Anyone with any familiarity with Orthodox religious garb would no that no Orthodox priest or Monk dresses like that. He may be associated with some uncanonical group that claims to be Orthodox, just as there are Old Catholic independent groups that claim to be Catholic. He is a nutjob. Please ignore him.

More telling rhetoric indicating Sigismund is a crypto-Jew.

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #37 on:** June 06, 2012, 07:07:32 PM »

Get those тαℓмυd reading Judaizers and Zionists, Brother Nathanael! :drillsergeant:

alaric · « **Reply #38 on:** June 06, 2012, 07:08:46 PM »

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I disagree with what I see as virulent antisemitism that has crossed over into paranoia.

You have to do better than that, just what is "virulent antisemitism" anyway? You know as everybody does who has a clue to the games Jews play with the word "antisemitism" which means whatever they want to mean at that time. Whenever one goes against their agenda in some way or is not on board with what is "good for Jews" is labeled an "antisemite"

But you have a real problem with Br Nathan because he speaks the truth and is a member of the tribe, a double-whammy for god's chosen who have no real answers for this guy other to dismiss him as a "nutjob".

Granted his approach and style seems a little too cinematic or perhaps a little flair for the dramatic, but make no mistake this guy is spot on. I challenge anyone on this forum to rebuke any of the claims or content of his videos other than just calling the man a crazed impostor.

rowsofvoices9 · « **Reply #39 on:** June 06, 2012, 07:12:46 PM »

Must mean that I'm a crypto-Jew too, even though I'm 100% Irish. I see Bro. Nate as being nothing more than a self hating Jew which is pathetic. All he does is spew hatred. If he had any real charity for his fellow Jews he would long for their conversion. His method only alienates them even further.

I trust Bro. Nate as much as I do Vladimir Putin, which is not at all. He clearly seems to have an agenda to promote Russia and Putin in particular as being the big saviors of the world. His infatuation with Putin is beyond bizarre. To be perfectly frank, Putin and Russia are not our friends but rather dangerous enemies. Anyone who has taken the time to study this subject knows that Russia poses a very real strategic threat to America's security.

I'm always suspicious of those who emit retarded NWO and Jєωιѕн cօռspιʀαcιҽs which in my opinion are a load of nonsense. The real danger facing the world is a resurgence of communism which is making great inroads all over the world. Bro. Nate is either a complete stooge or a mole for Russia.

alaric · « **Reply #40 on:** June 06, 2012, 07:26:58 PM »

Quote from: rowsofvoices9

Must mean that I'm a crypto-Jew too, even though I'm 100% Irish. I see Bro. Nate as being nothing more than a self hating Jew which is pathetic. All he does is spew hatred. If he had any real charity for his fellow Jews he would long for their conversion. His method only alienates them even further.

I trust Bro. Nate as much as I do Vladimir Putin, which is not at all. He clearly seems to have an agenda to promote Russia and Putin in particular as being the big saviors of the world. His infatuation with Putin is beyond bizarre. To be perfectly frank, Putin and Russia are not our friends but rather dangerous enemies. Anyone who has taken the time to study this subject knows that Russia poses a very real strategic threat to America's security.

I'm always suspicious of those who emit retarded NWO and Jєωιѕн cօռspιʀαcιҽs which in my opinion are a load of nonsense. The real danger facing the world is a resurgence of communism which is making great inroads all over the world. Bro. Nate is either a complete stooge or a mole for Russia.

The only thing worse than self-hating Jews and exKGB Russians are whiny Irish liberals, the worst.

The only thing Br Nathaniel is spewing is the truth.

There's nothing wrong with calling snakes, snakes.

Unless you have a problem with Jesus because that's what he called the Pharisees.

He also didn't spend much time trying to convert them either.

Sigismund · « **Reply #41 on:** June 06, 2012, 08:46:33 PM »

I have explained my views on Jews and antisemitism on several threads on this forum. Do a search if you like. My views are easily accessible, generally well knonn by others here, and not at all popular. I have not time to repeat myself.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #42 on:** June 06, 2012, 08:50:21 PM »

Quote from: rowsofvoices9

I'm always suspicious of those who emit retarded NWO and Jєωιѕн cօռspιʀαcιҽs which in my opinion are a load of nonsense. The real danger facing the world is a resurgence of communism which is making great inroads all over the world. Bro. Nate is either a complete stooge or a mole for Russia.

Do some research on Jews and the NWO. Then, after it all makes sense to you, come back and we'll try having a serious discussion.

Thorn · « **Reply #43 on:** June 06, 2012, 09:00:44 PM »

If the powers-that-be talk about the NWO nonchalantly,& how they are trying to make it happen, how pray tell can anyone doubt it?!!

The devil loves it too when people deny that he exists. The field is wide open then.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #44 on:** June 06, 2012, 09:16:08 PM »

I think it's worth watching this interview Alex Jones had with CNN analyst (and notorious Bohemien Grove member) David Gergen: