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What Should Feeneyites be Condemned as?

Heretics
5 (12.5%)
Propagators or Error but not heretics
7 (17.5%)
Rash
3 (7.5%)
Other (explain in comments)
25 (62.5%)

Total Members Voted: 40

Voting closed: March 02, 2024, 02:45:27 PM

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Offline Soubirous

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Re: What Should Feeneyites be Condemned as? / now on Trent IV Justi
« Reply #165 on: February 18, 2024, 02:28:21 PM »
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  • In fact, Trent explicitly condemned it as heretical to say that the Sacrament justifies even if the individual does not have the proper dispositions

    Re the odd case of Saint Genesius of Rome
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    One day Genesius, leader of a theatrical troupe in Rome, was performing before the Roman Emperor Diocletian. Intending to expose Christian religious rites to ridicule by his audience, he pretended to receive the Sacrament of Baptism.[2]

    As the play continued, however, Genesius suddenly while performing had a conversion experience on stage. He announced his new faith, and refused to renounce it, even when ordered to do so by emperor Diocletian.[3] Genesius persisted in his faith, and he was finally ordered to be beheaded.

    According to Butler's:

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    Note 1. The baptism which he received on the stage was no more than a representation of that sacrament, for want of a serious intention of performing the Christian rite; but St. Genesius was baptized in desire, with true contrition, and also in his own blood.

    Or did Trent consider the pre-Edict martyrs as a distinct set rather than as grounds for antiquarian precedent?
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    Re: What Should Feeneyites be Condemned as? / now on Trent IV Justi
    « Reply #166 on: February 18, 2024, 03:58:34 PM »
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  • Re the odd case of Saint Genesius of Rome
    According to Butler's:

    Or did Trent consider the pre-Edict martyrs as a distinct set rather than as grounds for antiquarian precedent?
    I have read that his conversion came about as he was being "mock baptised", so that it actually was a valid baptism. This may be of use to someone who can read Latin, St. Genesius' entry in Acta Sanctorum 
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