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Baptism of Desire and Theological Principles
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    Baptism of Desire and
    Theological Principles
    (2000)
    by Rev. Anthony Cekada
    What principles must Catholics follow to arrive at the truth?

    OVER  THE  YEARS I  have  occasionally  encountered  traditionalists, both lay and clerical, who followed the teachings of the late Rev. Leonard  Feeney  and  the  St.  Benedict  Center  concerning  the axiom  “Outside  the  Church  there  is  no  salvation.”  Those  who fully embrace the Feeneyite position reject  the common Catholic teaching about baptism of desire and baptism of blood.

    Catholics,  however,  are  not  free  to  reject  this  teaching,  because  it  comes  from  the  Church’s universal  ordinary  magisterium.  Pius  IX  stated  that  Catholics  are  required  to  believe  those teachings that theologians hold “belong to the faith,” and to subject  themselves  to  those  forms  of  doctrine  commonly  held  as “theological truths and conclusions.”

    In  1998,  I  photocopied  material  on  baptism  of  desire  and baptism  of  blood  from  the works  of  twenty - five  pre-Vatican  II theologians  (including  two  Doctors  of  the  Church),  and  assembled it into a dossier. All, of course, teach the same doctrine.

    Behind the Feeneyite rejection of this doctrine lies a rejection of the principles  that Pius IX laid down, principles that form the basis for the whole science of theology. He who rejects these criteria  rejects  the  foundations  of  Catholic  theology  and  constructs a peculiar theology of his own —
    one where his own interpretation  of  papal  pronouncements  is  every  bit  as  arbitrary  and  idiosyncratic as a free-thinking Baptist’s interpretation of the Bible. It is  utterly  pointless  to  argue  with  such  a  person  over  baptism  of blood and baptism of desire, because he does not accept the only criteria on which a theological issue must be judged.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Baptism of Desire and Theological Principles
    « Reply #1 on: April 21, 2015, 05:10:28 PM »
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  • Fr. Cekada has already failed.
    Quote from: Fr. Cekada
    In  1998,  I  photocopied  material  on  baptism  of  desire  and baptism  of  blood  from  the works  of  twenty - five  pre-Vatican  II theologians  (including  two  Doctors  of  the  Church),  and  assembled it into a dossier. All, of course, teach the same doctrine.


    Yet he does not quote Trent's infallible decree stating the sacraments are necessary unto salvation.

    Probably just as well since he would simply explain that Trent did not mean what Trent decreed.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

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    Baptism of Desire and Theological Principles
    « Reply #2 on: April 21, 2015, 05:19:13 PM »
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  • John,

    Is the following from the Roman Catechism infallible in virtue of the Ordinary Magisterium of the Church:
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    But what surpasses the order of nature and human comprehension is, that as soon as the Blessed Virgin assented to the announcement of the Angel in these words, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it done unto me according to thy word, the most sacred body of Christ was immediately formed, and to it was united a rational soul enjoying the use of reason; and thus in the same instant of time He was perfect God and perfect man. That this was the astonishing and admirable work of the Holy Ghost cannot be doubted; for according to the order of nature the rational soul is united to the body only after a certain lapse of time.

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  • Quote from: Lover of Truth
    http://www.traditionalmass.org/images/articles/BaptDes-Proofed.pdf

    Baptism of Desire and
    Theological Principles
    (2000)
    by Rev. Anthony Cekada
    What principles must Catholics follow to arrive at the truth?

    OVER  THE  YEARS I  have  occasionally  encountered  traditionalists, both lay and clerical, who followed the teachings of the late Rev. Leonard  Feeney  and  the  St.  Benedict  Center  concerning  the axiom  “Outside  the  Church  there  is  no  salvation.”  Those  who fully embrace the Feeneyite position reject  the common Catholic teaching about baptism of desire and baptism of blood.

    Catholics,  however,  are  not  free  to  reject  this  teaching,  because  it  comes  from  the  Church’s universal  ordinary  magisterium.


    Yet Cekada rejects "common Catholic teaching" about Religious Liberty and Ecuмenism.  Go figure.

    I'm sorry, Cekada, enemy of pretty much everything that's good, right, and wholesome about Catholic theology, but "theologians" have NEVER been considered part of the authentic Magisterium or to have any kind of infallibility.  They are not part of the Church teaching (unless of course they happen to be bishops).  I guess that people weren't free to reject the teaching of "theologians" about Arianism either?

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  • Quote from: Lover of Truth
    http://www.traditionalmass.org/images/articles/BaptDes-Proofed.pdf

    Baptism of Desire and
    Theological Principles
    (2000)
    by Rev. Anthony Cekada
    What principles must Catholics follow to arrive at the truth?

    OVER  THE  YEARS I  have  occasionally  encountered  traditionalists, both lay and clerical, who followed the teachings of the late Rev. Leonard  Feeney  and  the  St.  Benedict  Center  concerning  the axiom  “Outside  the  Church  there  is  no  salvation.”  Those  who fully embrace the Feeneyite position reject  the common Catholic teaching about baptism of desire and baptism of blood.

    Catholics,  however,  are  not  free  to  reject  this  teaching,  because  it  comes  from  the  Church’s universal  ordinary  magisterium.  Pius  IX  stated  that  Catholics  are  required  to  believe  those teachings that theologians hold “belong to the faith,” and to subject  themselves  to  those  forms  of  doctrine  commonly  held  as “theological truths and conclusions.”

    In  1998,  I  photocopied  material  on  baptism  of  desire  and baptism  of  blood  from  the works  of  twenty - five  pre-Vatican  II theologians  (including  two  Doctors  of  the  Church),  and  assembled it into a dossier. All, of course, teach the same doctrine.

    Behind the Feeneyite rejection of this doctrine lies a rejection of the principles  that Pius IX laid down, principles that form the basis for the whole science of theology. He who rejects these criteria  rejects  the  foundations  of  Catholic  theology  and  constructs a peculiar theology of his own —
    one where his own interpretation  of  papal  pronouncements  is  every  bit  as  arbitrary  and  idiosyncratic as a free-thinking Baptist’s interpretation of the Bible. It is  utterly  pointless  to  argue  with  such  a  person  over  baptism  of blood and baptism of desire, because he does not accept the only criteria on which a theological issue must be judged.


    Fr Cekada rejects the liturgical reforms of Pius XII because they are Bugninized. But we have to accept strictures on Fr Feeney despite them being Cushingized and painted in rainbow colors?

    Hope this article has some relevance to this thread, and I have placed emphasis on one paragraph:


    http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/12/19/what_would_cardinal_cushing_do/

    JAMES CARROLL
    What would Cardinal Cushing do?

    By James Carroll  |  December 19, 2005

    THE DISPUTE OVER whether it is appropriate, in public, to say ''Happy Holidays" instead of ''Merry Christmas" puts me in mind of Cardinal Richard Cushing. He was my boss when I was Catholic Chaplain at Boston University, and I loved him. In the early 1950s, Cushing forced one of the great changes in Catholic theology by excommunicating Father Leonard Feeney for preaching on Boston Common that ''there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church." As is true of today's exclusivist claims for a Christian meaning of ''the holidays," there was an undercurrent of antisemitism in Feeney's exclusivist claim for Catholicism. An inch below all Christian triumphalism is special contempt for Jews who reject the idea that Jesus is the saving Messiah. Robust assertions of the one meaning of the winter celebration are a version of the claim that there is only one way to God. Jews may not accept that, but how dare they forbid the dominant Christian culture from celebrating its dominance.

    What made Cushing's excommunication of Feeney astounding was that Feeney's line had been official Church teaching for most of a thousand years: No salvation outside the Church. Feeney confidently appealed to Rome, forcing the Vatican to take a position on the question. When the Vatican supported Cushing and upheld the excommunication of Feeney, the long-held doctrine of Catholic exclusivism was overturned.

    Why was Cardinal Cushing the one to force this change? Cushing's sister Dolly, an MTA toll taker, was married to Dick Pearlstein, who, with his father Louis, ran the haberdashery that was on the way to being Boston's best men's store, which it remains. Cardinal Cushing was often in the Pearlstein home, and he had ample occasion to experience his brother-in-law's innate goodness. There came to be no question for Cushing as to whether his sister's beloved husband was beloved of God. That Dick Pearlstein was Jєωιѕн -- a ''non-Catholic" -- ceased to have decisive meaning, and Cushing began to take Feeney's ''orthodox" preaching as an insult to his own family. An abstract principle of theology was upended by the sort of cross-group interaction that had become common in America.

    There are religious reactionaries in the world who are suspicious of America precisely because of the religious and cultural elbow-rubbing that occurs in neighborhoods and even families. Upholding the conscience of each individual means refusing to let a particular appeal to conscience dominate public space. But critics can see in such protected plurality of doctrine the top edge of the slippery slope toward ''relativism." One need not share that worry to acknowledge that when people of differing beliefs begin to treat each other with full respect, an elbow-rubbing of the mind always follows.

    To encounter another approach to the great questions of transcendence is inevitably to rethink one's own approach. Competing truth claims can yield when emphasis shifts from the claim itself to the idea of truth behind it. The question, ''Is there one way to heaven?" can become the question, ''What is 'heaven' anyway?" Soon enough, believers can recognize that the truth of their own tradition does not depend on the falsehood of someone else's. The next thing you know, as in Cushing's encounter with the Pearlsteins, basic doctrines of one's own tradition may go out the window.

    The move in recent years to ''relativize" the Christian character of America's winter holiday, making room not only for ancient Jєωιѕн observance of Hanukkah and recently invented African-American celebration of Kwanza, but also for open acknowledgement of the prehistoric Solstice origins of the entire enterprise -- all of this is the calendar's version of the neighbor-respecting change that Cardinal Cushing initiated within Catholicism. As was true in that most absolute of religions, the result of such repudiation of claims to supremacy is not the mindless watering-down -- Jesus morphing into Rudolph -- of which reactionaries warn, but a renewed embrace of one's own deepest convictions.

    As a Christian whose faith is braced by American pluralism, I recognize in the derided word ''holidays" a welcome signal of respect for everyone. The word means holy. How easy, therefore, to imagine it from Cardinal Cushing, who showed that holiness means respect. Happy Holidays.

    James Carroll's column appears regularly in the Globe.
    © Copyright 2005 Globe Newspaper Company.