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Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
« Reply #60 on: September 06, 2017, 11:20:50 AM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on September 06, 2017, 10:51:12 AM
    They see inaccurately.  Nothing to understand.  They cannot provide proof.  But will see that I have said things such as "Desire is not a sacrament" and "ignorance, in and of itself, neither saves or damns a man."  

    But no see.  Why?  Lies.  Ladislaus says over and over again.  Must be true.  He defends BOD too much must undermine.  How?  Lies.

    I have nothing against you.  Feel free to talk anytime.  

    Are you drunk or on drugs or something?  That's an absolutely incoherent post.



    Statements such as "Desire is not a sacrament" (no, duh, really?) and "ignorance neither saves nor damns" (really?) are irrelevant to your heresies.  Where your heresy comes in is in presenting subjective dispositions (including desire) as salvific without any need for the Sacrament of Baptism.  That's heresy regarding Trent's dogmatic teaching that the Sacraments are necessary for salvation and it's also Pelagian heresy.  I've explained to you several dozen times now how you can formulate your opinion so as to avoid these heresies (I've given you the out) ... and yet you refuse to affirm these non-heretical propositions.  In your hubris, you insist on remaining pertinacious in your heresies.

    I have no problem with Arvinger, who believes in BoD, because his views are not heretical.  Yours, on the other hand, are.
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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #61 on: September 06, 2017, 11:28:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on September 06, 2017, 11:20:50 AM
    Are you drunk or on drugs or something?  That's an absolutely incoherent post.



    Statements such as "Desire is not a sacrament" (no, duh, really?) and "ignorance neither saves nor damns" (really?) are irrelevant to your heresies.  Where your heresy comes in is in presenting subjective dispositions (including desire) as salvific without any need for the Sacrament of Baptism.  That's heresy regarding Trent's dogmatic teaching that the Sacraments are necessary for salvation and it's also Pelagian heresy.  I've explained to you several dozen times now how you can formulate your opinion so as to avoid these heresies (I've given you the out) ... and yet you refuse to affirm these non-heretical propositions.  In your hubris, you insist on remaining pertinacious in your heresies.

    I have no problem with Arvinger, who believes in BoD, because his views are not heretical.  Yours, on the other hand, are.
    More yuck from the evil one.
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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #62 on: September 06, 2017, 11:39:03 AM »
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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #63 on: September 06, 2017, 11:53:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: tornpage on September 06, 2017, 11:37:22 AM
    Refreshing.
    :applause:
    To prove SV wrong you would have to prove that valid Popes could bind on the Church: 

    1. A heretical council

    2.  Invalid and doubtful sacraments

    3.  Heretical canon law

    4.  Damned canonized saints.

    5.  Be an public apostate heretic like Mr. Bergolio

    6.  Believe that public heretics John 23 - Bergolio were not public heretics

    7.  Believe John 23 - Bergolio were/are not public heretics.

    As they say in the island of WhatNot, "Good luck with that."
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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #64 on: September 06, 2017, 11:54:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on September 06, 2017, 11:53:16 AM
    To prove SV wrong you would have to prove that valid Popes could bind on the Church:

    1. A heretical council

    How's the Council heretical?  It just teaches the same things you promote here every day on CI.
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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #65 on: September 06, 2017, 11:56:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on September 06, 2017, 11:53:16 AM
    To prove SV wrong you would have to prove that valid Popes could bind on the Church:

    OR you could disagree with Bellarmine's opinion that papa haereticus ipso facto depositus, be a sedeprivationist, or believe that the See must be vacated at least materially by the Church.  There are many reasons why one would not be an SV.  In fact, sedeprivationism by far makes the most sense.  SVism has too many serious problems.
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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #66 on: September 06, 2017, 12:04:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: tornpage on September 06, 2017, 11:45:08 AM
    Translation por favor?
    Sorry. It's  "Layzeze" for "I appreciate it."

    "Video killed the radio star", and "social" media is torturing literacy, and so Literature, to death. 

    Anyone ever notice that we don't get Dostoyevskys, Solzhenitsyns, or even Fitzgeralds any more?
     
    For that matter, it isn't confined to the "written" word but extends to all that was art. 

    "Lil Wayne" show ain't no "Chopin", but he might send some Nocturnes to the digital chop shop "foe some sick  beats yo!"

    There's an apologetic, a polemic there somewhere. 

    The Devil mocks, mutates and apes. 

    That's what "art" is now.

    The passing of art is the rout of goodness from the world.

    But anyway, at least you know what "preesh" means now. 

    Gotta laugh.
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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #67 on: September 06, 2017, 12:15:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on September 06, 2017, 11:56:35 AM
    OR you could disagree with Bellarmine's opinion that papa haereticus ipso facto depositus, be a sedeprivationist, or believe that the See must be vacated at least materially by the Church.  There are many reasons why one would not be an SV.  In fact, sedeprivationism by far makes the most sense.  SVism has too many serious problems.
    We disagree but based only upon opinion.  I'm on the side of the Sainted Doctor and many others and the majority.  The sedeprivationist theory is novel.  I'm not sure what the "many" reasons would be.  Sedeprivationist is SV in practice, do not offer Mass "together" with the apostate heretic, do not teach the warped theology of being to pick and chose what a valid Pope binds on the Church.  
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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #68 on: September 07, 2017, 01:02:21 PM »
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    • One could leave CI for 3 years and come back today and find this LOT posting the same things, it is a merry-go-round never ending. It's his whole life's work, to teach Catholics that Jєωs, Mohamedans, Hindus, Buddhists and ALL other false religions can be saved by their belief in a god that rewards.
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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #69 on: September 07, 2017, 01:12:05 PM »
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    • St. Bede, Doctor of the Church (8th century): An Ecclesiastical History of the English People, Book 1, Ch.7, The Passion of St. Albanus and his companions, p.24: "Then and there also that soldier was beheaded, who being before restrained by the beck of the Highest, refused to inflict the stroke on the holy confessor of God; concerning whom indeed it is manifest that, albeit he was not washed in the font of baptism, yet was he cleansed by the libation of his own blood, and made worthy to enter into the heavenly kingdom."
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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #70 on: September 07, 2017, 01:20:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on September 07, 2017, 01:02:21 PM
    One could leave CI for 3 years and come back today and find this LOT posting the same things, it is a merry-go-round never ending. It's his whole life's work, to teach Catholics that Jєωs, Mohamedans, Hindus, Buddhists and ALL other false religions can be saved by their belief in a god that rewards.
    You mean the same errors, heresies etc., right?

    If you think about it, the Faith was, is, and will be "the same thing" till it's over, right?

    Much of these "things" aren't his, they're Catholic; they're patrimony, and this contrast is what makes seeing it generally like chewing tin-foiled batteries fresh from the litterbox. 

    Granted, if he would ever cede that we can just read these same things ourselves, be a bit more concise, and learn to link, cite, reference etc., it would be a bit easier to take and someone might actually read what he has to say about them instead of fleeing in "terror" from the Infodumpster, no?

    I love "the same things" providing they're Catholic things. God is always the same "thing".
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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #71 on: September 07, 2017, 01:21:29 PM »
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    • St. Bernard of Clairvaux, Doctor of the Church (12th century): Letter No.77, Letter to Hugh of St. Victor, On Baptism: “If an adult...wish and seek to be baptized, but is unable to obtain it because death intervenes, then where there is no lack of right faith, devout hope, sincere charity, may God be gracious to me, because I cannot completely despair of salvation for such a one solely on account of water, if it be lacking, and cannot believe that faith will be rendered empty, hope confounded and charity lost, provided only that he is not contemptuous of the water, but as I said merely kept from it by lack of opportunity..."
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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #72 on: September 15, 2017, 01:14:49 PM »
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    • LOT should change his avatar from the Cure d' Ars to a picture of himself. It is really disgraceful to have the Cure d' Ars associated with a sad character like LOT.
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    « Reply #73 on: September 15, 2017, 01:17:05 PM »
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    • Baptism of desire and blood is a modernist error.

    Looking at the quotes from Church teaching on baptism of desire and blood above    , the quotes span nearly the entire history of the Church. Modernism originated in the 19th century, so it is obvious that baptism of desire and blood have nothing to do with Modernism.
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