The poster has really not pinpointed what he believes, other than to say that he believes "whatever" the Church teaches about salvation of non-Catholics, from salvation of the catemumen by desire to be baptized all the way to salvation for Jєωs who do not believe in Christ and the Trinity and have no desire whatsoever to be baptized, and indeed consider the Church to be of Satan.

His belief is enshrined in Vatican II, indeed his mentor Fr. Fenton praised Vatican II, and so one would have to ask, specifically what does he reject in the docuмents Vatican II, since he is a sedevacantes? What is the difference between what he believes and what any Novus Ordo priest or bishop believes? But, I will not do that because he will draw that out for years too.

That on the subject of salvation of non-Catholics you believe the same as any Vatican II bishop or priest.

If the Vatican II bishops and priest would have believed as I do and say St. Francis Xavier or St. John Chrysostom believed, there would be no Vatican II. (by the way, this is also Church teaching which the poster rejects and vehemently teaching against)


From: Henry James Coleridge, ed., The Life and Letters of St. Francis Xavier, 2d Ed., 2 Vols., (London: Burns & Oates, 1890), Vol. II, pp. 331-350; reprinted in William H. McNeil and Mitsuko Iriye, eds., Modern Asia and Africa, Readings in World History Vol. 9, (New York: Oxford University Press, 1971), pp. 20-30.
St. Francis Xavier:
Letter from Japan, to the Society of Jesus in Europe, 1552

One of the things that most of all pains and torments these Japanese is, that we teach them that the prison of hell is irrevocably shut, so that there is no egress therefrom. For they grieve over the fate of their departed children, of their parents and relatives, and they often show their grief by their tears. So they ask us if there is any hope, any way to free them by prayer from that eternal misery, and I am obliged to answer that there is absolutely none. Their grief at this affects and torments them wonderfully; they almost pine away with sorrow. But there is this good thing about their trouble---it makes one hope that they will all be the more laborious for their own salvation, lest they like their forefathers, should be condemned to everlasting punishment. They often ask if God cannot take their fathers out of hell, and why their punishment must never have an end. We gave them a satisfactory answer, but they did not cease to grieve over the misfortune of their relatives; and I can hardly restrain my tears sometimes at seeing men so dear to my heart suffer such intense pain about a thing which is already done with and can never be undone.

St. John Chrysostom, The Consolation of Death: “And well should the pagan lament, who not knowing God, dying goes straight to punishment. Well should the Jєω mourn, who not believing in Christ, has assigned his soul to perdition.”

St. John Chrysostom, The Consolation of Death: “And plainly must we grieve for our own catechumens, should they, either through their own unbelief or through their own neglect, depart this life without the saving grace of baptism.”



St. John Chrysostom, Hom. in Io. 25, 3:
“For the Catechumen is a stranger to the Faithful… One has Christ for his King; the other sin and the devil; the food of one is Christ, of the other, that meat which decays and perishes… Since then we have nothing in common, in what, tell me, shall we hold communion?… Let us then give diligence that we may become citizens of the city above… for if it should come to pass (which God forbid!) that through the sudden arrival of death we depart hence uninitiated, though we have ten thousand virtues, our portion will be none other than hell, and the venomous worm, and fire unquenchable, and bonds indissoluble.”



St. John Chrysostom, Homily III. On Phil. 1:1-20:
“Weep for the unbelievers; weep for those who differ in nowise from them, those who depart hence without the illumination, without the seal! They indeed deserve our wailing, they deserve our groans; they are outside the Palace, with the culprits, with the condemned: for, ‘Verily I say unto you, Except a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of Heaven.”
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St. John Chrysostom, Homily XXV: “Hear, ye as many as are unilluminated, shudder, groan, fearful is the threat, fearful is the sentence. ‘It is not possible,’ He [Christ] saith, ‘for one not born of water and the Spirit to enter into the Kingdom of heaven’; because he wears the raiment of death, of cursing, of perdition, he hath not yet received his Lord’s token, he is a stranger and an alien, he hath not the royal watchword. ‘Except,’ He saith, ‘a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of heaven.”

The poster is splitting hairs if he is rejecting universal salvation and his  belief that  Jєωs, Mohamedans, Hindus, Buddhists etc. can be saved by their belief in a creator rewarded god. Vatican two taught his belief. It did not teach universal salvation. The Vatican II church at least has rejected the teaching of universal salvation. So, there is not difference between the poster and the Vatican II church on the subject of salvation of non-Catholics.

Additionally, the teaching that Jєωs, Mohamedans, Hindus, Buddhists etc. can be saved by their belief in a creator rewarded god, is NOT BOD, it has nothing to do with baptism of desire or blood.

You do not even speak to me but rather try to antagonize me.  This is Catholic How?
So if a Jєω wanted to convert but was prevented from being baptized he would be damned? Yes?

The "Pity Stick", as if on  cue…

Fenton, who was a great theologian revered by his peers, who taught theology to theologians, studied the issue from all the sources in their original language is the source of the above quote.

How much better off are we Christians!  Our Blessed Saviour has freed us from the Mosaic ordinances and ceremonies, and has given us a law which with his grace we can easily fulfil.  This will become quite evident by making a brief comparison between ourselves and the Jєωs.  The Jєωs had circuмcision, which was very painful; we Christians have Baptism in its stead, which is easy to receive and confers so many graces.  The Jєωs had only one temple in all their country, the temple at Jerusalem, and many of them were obliged to travel several days in order to visit it according to the law; we have churches everywhere, and many have only a few steps to go in order to perform their devotional exercises.  The Jєωs were not allowed to eat the flesh of unclean animals, to which class belonged all those quadrupeds which had not cloven feet, and did not chew the cud; the use of blood was also prohibited.  We Christians have permission to eat of all animals.  The Jєωs could in many cases become unclean, for instance by touching an unclean animal, or a corpse, by the eating of forbidden food, by going to a place which according to the law was held as unclean; and they were obliged to observe various ceremonies in order to be cleansed again.  We Christians have nothing that contaminates us but sin.  From this you see how many advantages we have over the Jєωs and how much more easily we can serve God.  For this reason Jesus calls his holy law, a sweet yoke and a light burden.  How guilty we render ourselves before God, when we do not fulfil the easy ordinances of our holy religion!  Truly, the Jєωs may rise up against us on the day of judgment and condemn us.