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Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
« Reply #45 on: September 06, 2017, 08:21:42 AM »
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  • Lover of Heresy continues to pertinaciously reject the teaching of St. Thomas Aquinas (and the Athanasian Creed) ... after having derided St. Thomas as an ignorant fool who does not understand Scripture.
    The hateful heretic liar strikes again.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #46 on: September 06, 2017, 08:34:22 AM »
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  • Two wrongs don't make a right. Everyone has been thoroughly denounced, repeatedly. 

    What good is coming of this now? Knock the dust off. Let it go. Everyone is hull down and dug in. This accomplishes nothing good.
    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #47 on: September 06, 2017, 08:39:03 AM »
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  • Two wrongs don't make a right. Everyone has been thoroughly denounced, repeatedly.

    What good is coming of this now? Knock the dust off. Let it go. Everyone is hull down and dug in. This accomplishes nothing good.
    Agreed.  Thanks for saying something civil and decent. We scare potential Catholics off with all the apparent hate.  Can't be good they say.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #48 on: September 06, 2017, 08:44:18 AM »
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  • Agreed.  Thanks for saying something civil and decent. We scare potential Catholics off with all the apparent hate.  Can't be good they say.
    Big of you, seriously. If nothing else, unchecked passions are ineffective and inefficient. Even an Atheist could see that. 

    "Love thine enemy..." ... then shoot him.  :furtive:
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #49 on: September 06, 2017, 09:23:04 AM »
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  • Big of you, seriously. If nothing else, unchecked passions are ineffective and inefficient. Even an Atheist could see that.

    "Love thine enemy..." ... then shoot him.  :furtive:
    I think most of us can be good if we try.  It takes one or two to sink the ship and make it yuck.  There is a civil way of discussing things.  This can be seen on Bellarmine Forums, Trad Forum, Faithful Catholics Forum.  No offense to this one in regards to the owner, but yuck sometimes. I'm not the only one that things this.  
    I try to be civil.  Sometimes stay civil even after someone draws first blood, sometimes not.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #50 on: September 06, 2017, 09:37:26 AM »
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  • Lover of Heresy continues to pertinaciously reject the teaching of St. Thomas Aquinas (and the Athanasian Creed) ... after having derided St. Thomas as an ignorant fool who does not understand Scripture.

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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #51 on: September 06, 2017, 09:39:55 AM »
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  • I think most of us can be good if we try.  It takes one or two to sink the ship and make it yuck.  There is a civil way of discussing things.  This can be seen on Bellarmine Forums, Trad Forum, Faithful Catholics Forum.  No offense to this one in regards to the owner, but yuck sometimes. I'm not the only one that things this.  
    I try to be civil.  Sometimes stay civil even after someone draws first blood, sometimes not.  
    1. To be fair, this site tends to be a bit more open. It's sort of like "Catholic Gab" that way, though it predates gab. That openness to "dialog" also means you've allsorts here more than the other sites. That means more fights. 
    2. I've been to at least some of those sites and I guess we just had vastly different experiences. 
     1. Bellarmine? Snobs and bullies.
     2. "Faithful Catholics" Booted not because I was saying anything, but because I was asked a question by the BoD police. It's BoD or else over there. I could go on, but there is assessment, and then there is talking behind another's back.
    3. I'll leave you at the civil bit, because we're just not gonna get along there either. 

    The irony, esp. of getting booted for being (Sede, "Feeney" etc.) is that I come to places like this to possibly find something that I missed, to be proven wrong. I absolutely despise being a Sede, but God hates lies. 

    Which segues into people getting frustrated because you ask for reason, for evidence, for argument, for something substantial and sound and then you, 9/10 get a bunch of irrelevant rubbish. 

    Case in point: an individual recently stated that there was explicit condemnation of Sedevacantism. Okay, great then. IF that is so, then it is so, and Catholics say "roger" and drive on. 

    But, you'd think such a potentially great work of mercy wouldn't even need to be asked for, let alone begged for, but of course it was just a bs tease as always. IN short, you look for reason and find a liar.

    Anyway, I'm quitting this whilst hopefully ahead and to be square, straight, and clear, we aren't on the same page either, but as stated before, no need to get ridiculous even with an enemy. Matter of fact that is much more likely to be fatal than a to be a fool amongst friends.

    out.
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #52 on: September 06, 2017, 09:50:16 AM »
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  • Yuck again and more yuck.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #53 on: September 06, 2017, 09:51:22 AM »
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  • Yuck again and more yuck.  
    Ah well.

    Take care.
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #54 on: September 06, 2017, 09:52:39 AM »
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  • Sorry.  Ladislaus say something nice.  Didn't read.  Will have to read and say something nice back.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #55 on: September 06, 2017, 10:03:07 AM »
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  • You're enemies man. Heck, we're enemies. There's just no need to keep saying the same crap all the time. 

    We're in a war man. You and he aren't pals. YOu and I aren't pals. It's a war. There are limit limits in war, else it's just a giant riot, mass murder on crack. No need to be cruel. Feed the hungry, even if you're just going to have to snap his neck later when he's ambulatory.

    Maybe look up, for example, "I know you as the first born of Hell." or the time when "Santa Claus" booger hooked a dude. 

    It's not a game man. It's a war. Same war that always was from the beginning.

    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #56 on: September 06, 2017, 10:13:44 AM »
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  • 1. To be fair, this site tends to be a bit more open. It's sort of like "Catholic Gab" that way, though it predates gab. That openness to "dialog" also means you've allsorts here more than the other sites. That means more fights.
    2. I've been to at least some of those sites and I guess we just had vastly different experiences.
     1. Bellarmine? Snobs and bullies.
     2. "Faithful Catholics" Booted not because I was saying anything, but because I was asked a question by the BoD police. It's BoD or else over there. I could go on, but there is assessment, and then there is talking behind another's back.
    3. I'll leave you at the civil bit, because we're just not gonna get along there either.

    The irony, esp. of getting booted for being (Sede, "Feeney" etc.) is that I come to places like this to possibly find something that I missed, to be proven wrong. I absolutely despise being a Sede, but God hates lies.

    Which segues into people getting frustrated because you ask for reason, for evidence, for argument, for something substantial and sound and then you, 9/10 get a bunch of irrelevant rubbish.

    Case in point: an individual recently stated that there was explicit condemnation of Sedevacantism. Okay, great then. IF that is so, then it is so, and Catholics say "roger" and drive on.

    But, you'd think such a potentially great work of mercy wouldn't even need to be asked for, let alone begged for, but of course it was just a bs tease as always. IN short, you look for reason and find a liar.

    Anyway, I'm quitting this whilst hopefully ahead and to be square, straight, and clear, we aren't on the same page either, but as stated before, no need to get ridiculous even with an enemy. Matter of fact that is much more likely to be fatal than a to be a fool amongst friends.

    out.
    I thought the above was from Ladislaus.  Sorry.  This site is indeed more open.  But the fights could be more civil.  The name-calling and yuck. Other things.  Also out-right lies, repeated over and over again.  Underhanded tactics.  Did I mention lies?  Can't respect people like that.  At all.  Always gets personal.  YOU heretic.  YOU modernist.  Always.  More yuck.  

    For me Bellarmine, snobs, not sure what word is best, bullies, didn't see that.  Civil.  Yes.  On topic?  Yes.  Mean and petty?  No.  Didn't see it.  

    Faithful Catholics.  Not much experience.  But the experience I have is good.  We could get along if we talk like this.  I'm in defense mode here because people (particular person) are yucky.  Don't read much.  Just post so people see what Fathers, Saints, Doctors, Pope taught.  Often not civilly refuted.  Just John 3:5 as if that undermines everything.  Help.  Nothing worthwhile said.  Posturing, grandstanding.  And always personal YOU bad.  YOU no good.  

    No offense to anyone but this is the last place you will get good theology. Bellarmine forums is best for that.  Tons of stuff from bona-fide theologians.  Sound theologians.  Catholics like that.  

    Irrelevant rubbish.  Yes.  Much.  That is why I close eyes and punch.  Want to leave people with Fathers, Saints Doctors, Popes rather than mean YOU heretic rubbish.  YOU teach ignorance saves.  I do not.  YOU teach desire is sacrament.  I do not.  Lies, lies and more lies.  Underhanded.  Stupid.  

    I enjoyed your post.  We can talk.  Proof is necessary.  There is tons of proof for SV, EENS, BOD.  All on same side, all Catholic, not pitted one against another.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #57 on: September 06, 2017, 10:16:27 AM »
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  • 1. To be fair, this site tends to be a bit more open. It's sort of like "Catholic Gab" that way, though it predates gab. That openness to "dialog" also means you've allsorts here more than the other sites. That means more fights.
    2. I've been to at least some of those sites and I guess we just had vastly different experiences.
     1. Bellarmine? Snobs and bullies.
     2. "Faithful Catholics" Booted not because I was saying anything, but because I was asked a question by the BoD police. It's BoD or else over there. I could go on, but there is assessment, and then there is talking behind another's back.
    3. I'll leave you at the civil bit, because we're just not gonna get along there either.

    The irony, esp. of getting booted for being (Sede, "Feeney" etc.) is that I come to places like this to possibly find something that I missed, to be proven wrong. I absolutely despise being a Sede, but God hates lies.

    Which segues into people getting frustrated because you ask for reason, for evidence, for argument, for something substantial and sound and then you, 9/10 get a bunch of irrelevant rubbish.

    Case in point: an individual recently stated that there was explicit condemnation of Sedevacantism. Okay, great then. IF that is so, then it is so, and Catholics say "roger" and drive on.

    But, you'd think such a potentially great work of mercy wouldn't even need to be asked for, let alone begged for, but of course it was just a bs tease as always. IN short, you look for reason and find a liar.

    Anyway, I'm quitting this whilst hopefully ahead and to be square, straight, and clear, we aren't on the same page either, but as stated before, no need to get ridiculous even with an enemy. Matter of fact that is much more likely to be fatal than a to be a fool amongst friends.

    out.
    Thumbs up to you.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #58 on: September 06, 2017, 10:26:31 AM »
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  • I thought the above was from Ladislaus.  Sorry.  This site is indeed more open.  But the fights could be more civil.  The name-calling and yuck. Other things.  Also out-right lies, repeated over and over again.  Underhanded tactics.  Did I mention lies?  Can't respect people like that.  At all.  Always gets personal.  YOU heretic.  YOU modernist.  Always.  More yuck.  

    For me Bellarmine, snobs, not sure what word is best, bullies, didn't see that.  Civil.  Yes.  On topic?  Yes.  Mean and petty?  No.  Didn't see it.  

    Faithful Catholics.  Not much experience.  But the experience I have is good.  We could get along if we talk like this.  I'm in defense mode here because people (particular person) are yucky.  Don't read much.  Just post so people see what Fathers, Saints, Doctors, Pope taught.  Often not civilly refuted.  Just John 3:5 as if that undermines everything.  Help.  Nothing worthwhile said.  Posturing, grandstanding.  And always personal YOU bad.  YOU no good.  

    No offense to anyone but this is the last place you will get good theology. Bellarmine forums is best for that.  Tons of stuff from bona-fide theologians.  Sound theologians.  Catholics like that.  

    Irrelevant rubbish.  Yes.  Much.  That is why I close eyes and punch.  Want to leave people with Fathers, Saints Doctors, Popes rather than mean YOU heretic rubbish.  YOU teach ignorance saves.  I do not.  YOU teach desire is sacrament.  I do not.  Lies, lies and more lies.  Underhanded.  Stupid.  

    I enjoyed your post.  We can talk.  Proof is necessary.  There is tons of proof for SV, EENS, BOD.  All on same side, all Catholic, not pitted one against another.  
    Yeah I don't want to hurt your feelings more but this is another example of why we can't really communicate. We're not just from different planets, we're from different dimensions.

    At least understand, not 'accept' mind you, but understand that there are not a few who see that which you just described as you.

    "Capische"? 

    "Mi CAVA la leche! MAma MIA! BaFA Napoli! Fugatz!"
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: What Lover of Truth Believes about Salvation of non-Catholics
    « Reply #59 on: September 06, 2017, 10:51:12 AM »
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  • They see inaccurately.  Nothing to understand.  They cannot provide proof.  But will see that I have said things such as "Desire is not a sacrament" and "ignorance, in and of itself, neither saves or damns a man."  

    But no see.  Why?  Lies.  Ladislaus says over and over again.  Must be true.  He defends BOD too much must undermine.  How?  Lies.

    I have nothing against you.  Feel free to talk anytime.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church