Author Topic: What is a BOD? (Read 6423 times)

donkath · « **Reply #20 on:** April 22, 2019, 08:28:24 AM »

Appreciate both these replies. Thank you.

LeDeg · « **Reply #21 on:** April 22, 2019, 04:37:02 PM »

I have spent a few years reading Stubborn's and Ladislaus' posts on BOD and they, along with others, convinced me that BOD is a novelty. There is just way too much evidence to the contrary to take it seriously.

The issues that made me vacillate were the catechisms from the 1800's forward that all taught BOD. I spent the $$$ and acquired them, from about 1880's forward and they all taught it. But then I realized that some of the catechisms prior to Vatican I taught against papal infallibility, so it shows that even catechisms can err.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #22 on:** April 22, 2019, 07:14:18 PM »

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Why don't we likewise say that God would grant the Eucharist to anyone who sought it, and therefore reject Eucharist of Desire?

Because the sacrament of the Eucharist requires preparation and learning from the Catholic. One can desire to receive Holy Communion but have to wait, as does a newly baptized catholic. Baptism is necessary for salvation; the Eucharist is a normal progression of the spiritual life in the Church, but not necessary to the same degree. One who receives Baptism but never completes his Faith by receiving Christ is guilty of a sin of omission, in a sense. (This assumes the person does not have extenuating circuмstances which prevents them from receiving the sacrament (i.e. persecution, death, health issues, etc)).

forlorn · « **Reply #23 on:** April 22, 2019, 07:49:16 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on April 22, 2019, 07:14:18 PM

Because the sacrament of the Eucharist requires preparation and learning from the Catholic. One can desire to receive Holy Communion but have to wait, as does a newly baptized catholic. Baptism is necessary for salvation; the Eucharist is a normal progression of the spiritual life in the Church, but not necessary to the same degree. One who receives Baptism but never completes his Faith by receiving Christ is guilty of a sin of omission, in a sense. (This assumes the person does not have extenuating circuмstances which prevents them from receiving the sacrament (i.e. persecution, death, health issues, etc)).

Makes sense, thank you.

With regards to the last bracketed sentence of your post, does it mean that martyred unbaptised catechumens are saved? I believe I've heard some Saints say so, but I've read others here argue against it too.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #24 on:** April 22, 2019, 09:01:22 PM »

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(This assumes the person does not have extenuating circuмstances which prevents them from receiving the sacrament (i.e. persecution, death, health issues, etc)

I was referring to a baptized catholic who was prevented from receiving Holy Communion. For example, many of the early catechumens were baptized while they were in prison, and then died shortly thereafter. They obviously couldn't be prepared, nor did they have the opportunity, to receive the Holy Eucharist.

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