For what its worth, I asked Bishop Barron about this at 28 minutes here: http://wordonfireshow.com/episode162/?fbclid=IwAR1vUFdrmyU4k6V4kylQgOlvPJ1mZ_XNNzegkVz5rh8ox4RFYZh2T0cE7NY
I found his answer pretty unsatisfying. For one thing, he *only* cites the post Vatican II magisterium, he doesn't really either cite or explain how his views connect with the pre Vatican II magisterium. For another thing, even if you want to affirm that technically there's a snowball's chance that Shapiro could be saved (and I don't even think its clear that that level of chance exists) he should have emphasized the *grave* danger Shapiro is putting himself in "as is", whereas the way he actually answered implied substantive hope, which is at best grossly imprudent.
For what its worth, I probably would've said something like "Jesus said unless you believe in me you'll be condemned. You're telling me you don't believe in Jesus. I'll take you at your word."
As far as I understand, merely material heretics wouldn't actually be labeled as heretics, would they? At least without the "material" qualifier?
Interesting. Thank you. I'll have a listen later. Well, sometimes the semantics are disputed. Some people go so far as to claim that there's no such thing as a material heretic, for those in material error are not heretics (since heresy by definition, etymologically, implies pertinacity).
I would typically use the term "objectively" heretical, since I don't know that it's MERELY material any more than I know that it's formal.
Yes, the answer is extremely unsatisfying. Even if one thinks there might be a small chance that he could be saved, it's still his obligation to shock him out of his complacency. St. Pius X's Holy Office once responded, that when Catholics are asked if any given infidel could be or could have been saved, the answer must be no, that they're damned. I believe the question was along the lines of, "Could a Catholic, when questioned, say that Confucius (by way of example) could have been saved respond that it's possible? Answer: No, Catholics must answer that he was damned." No hemming, no hawing about implicit possibly this or possibly that.