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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: CONDEMNED: Salvation for good-willed, ignorant pagans
« Reply #180 on: August 10, 2019, 06:57:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: donkath on August 10, 2019, 12:05:37 AM
    One is either Catholic or not Catholic.  There is no such thing as a Feenyite.
    Agreed: Feeneyite heretics are not Catholic.
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    Re: CONDEMNED: Salvation for good-willed, ignorant pagans
    « Reply #181 on: August 10, 2019, 10:24:44 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 10, 2019, 06:56:57 AM
    Amen, amen, I say you have no idea what you are talking about.  If only poor, stupid Alphonsus had rread Fr. Feeney, he would have understood how wrong he was!
    No need to mock Our Lord's proposition in your frustrated zeal against the necessity of the sacrament. We can be certain if the great saint had read Fr. Feeney, he would have corrected his mistake, he certainly would not have mocked the words of Our Lord.
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    Re: CONDEMNED: Salvation for good-willed, ignorant pagans
    « Reply #182 on: August 10, 2019, 10:26:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 10, 2019, 06:57:22 AM
    Agreed: Feeneyite heretics are not Catholic.
    The great Sean has spoken!

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    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: CONDEMNED: Salvation for good-willed, ignorant pagans
    « Reply #183 on: August 10, 2019, 10:28:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on August 10, 2019, 05:18:29 AM
    Only need one question: If you profess the below creed, you are a "Feeneyite".

    Athanasian Creed (4th Century)


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    This is what needs to be hammered home, time and time again. Most of the ink being spilled isn't because of speculation of BoD or BoB of a catechumen.
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    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: CONDEMNED: Salvation for good-willed, ignorant pagans
    « Reply #184 on: August 10, 2019, 11:08:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 10, 2019, 06:56:57 AM
    Amen, amen, I say you have no idea what you are talking about.  If only poor, stupid Alphonsus had rread Fr. Feeney, he would have understood how wrong he was!
    Mocking Sacred Scripture doesn't change the fact that the necessity of baptism, and the necessity of water for baptism, are both de fide. As Trent says, the requirement of water MAY NOT be wrested into a metaphor. The statement that there is salvation without water baptism is objectively heretical. 

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    If any one saith, that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and, on that account, wrests, to some sort of metaphor, those words of our Lord Jesus Christ; Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost; let him be anathema.
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